GTX580 reviews thread

[Silverforce11]

The comment on furmark being invalid is a stupid one. Their software throttles when it recognizes furmark/occt. What if a few months from now, games come out that puts the GPU at 100% load and cards die because they weren't able to cope.. just because they "were safe" as it throttles in furmark. Many NV cards died with SC2 at release.

What i want to know is just something simple: Can the gtx580 handle max load and remain stable? So i hope future reviews take this into account and disable throttling and see if the GPU/cooler can handle it. Because if it can't, it shouldn't even be sold lest consumers have their brand new expensive GPUs die in a future game.

I'm not biased, if AMD did this, i would have the same opinion. Other than this, its a great product, kudos to NV for pulling off a good GPU.

 

[3DVagabond]

I would blame AMD for having terrible Xfire drivers for months and months, not the reviewer. This would still not effect single-gpu performance, however.

I am sure we will get a wider range of reviews from great reviewers like Anand, where there are no doubts.

No. I've only cautioned taking the 580/5970 performance comparison as accurate. The others wouldn't vary by more than a percentage point or two with newer drivers. Waiting for more reviews was my suggestion as well.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Well if you ask 100 smart people on this forum if they would rather have a single card solution or a sli/crossfire solution, I'm sure 100 of them will chose the single card solution.

This is coming from the guy who made at the very least 5 threads boasting Fermi in SLI over 5xxx. Your agenda keeps flip flopping over what direction nVidia takes...

 

[MentalIlness]

No thanks. 6870 Crossfire please Ordering my second one next week. First one gets here in two days.

 

[Baasha]

The link doesn't work; it seems like TPU is down!

And, lolz at the NV & AMD fanbois' back & forth. :biggrin:

 

[Silverforce11]

So looking at averages, Gtx580 = ~15% over a gtx480 and ~30% over 5870.
Cayman will edge above it.

Wonder what AMD will price it for now considering NV went ahead and released the 580 first. Would they even bother releasing it at $449 as its intended market segment .. or take the opportunity given to them by NV to make extra $$? Hmm. Might be a very smart move from NV as a pricewar is not in either companies best interest.

 

[toyota]

they will probably launch around at least $499 since there is no reason not to. heck there are enough idiots that will pay pretty much anything for something marginally faster at launch. 8800 Ultra and 6800 Ultra come to mind.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

This is coming from the guy who made at the very least 5 threads boasting Fermi in SLI over 5xxx. Your agenda keeps flip flopping over what direction nVidia takes...

Yup, just watch when 6970 and 6990 take back the performance crown ^^

But... But... 580 Sli is better!! (actually I doubt that, considering the amazing scaling of the 6800 series)

 

[OCGuy]

Yup, just watch when 6970 and 6990 take back the performance crown ^^

But... But... 580 Sli is better!! (actually I doubt that, considering the amazing scaling of the 6800 series)

You really think something will take the crown from 580x2? I guess we will see...

 

[RussianSensation]

The comment on furmark being invalid is a stupid one. Their software throttles when it recognizes furmark/occt. What if a few months from now, games come out that puts the GPU at 100% load and cards die because they weren't able to cope.. just because they "were safe" as it throttles in furmark. Many NV cards died with SC2 at release.

I'm not biased, if AMD did this, i would have the same opinion. Other than this, its a great product, kudos to NV for pulling off a good GPU.

And you were the person who we trusted with supposely accurate information on HD68xx series? You don't even know that AMD uses both software and hardware PowerPlay protection on Furmark with 58xx series. :hmm:

Post #130 - Furmark is great for stability testing, but it's worthless for power consumption measurements. This is true for both AMD and NV (and esp. true now that NV has also implemented protection much like Cypress').

 

[OCGuy]

580s on newegg right now.

You have to use the promo code to get the MSRP.


I might bust out the wallet once the SO goes to bed.......

*strokes beard with pointer and thumb*

 

[RussianSensation]

I might bust out the wallet once the SO goes to bed.......

Don't you want to wait for HD6970 series this month? If you are willing to upgrade for just 15-20%, maybe HD6970 might squeeze another 5% more. :awe: Plus, Black Friday might bring some discounts?

NV sure put AMD in a predicament for a single GPU performance crown. NV was able to get the "failed" Fermi refresh out before AMD was able to get Cayman. Now Cayman can't really be slower because AMD no longer has a 6 months first mover advantage.

 

[OCGuy]

Don't you want to wait for HD6970 series this month? If you are willing to upgrade for just 15-20%, maybe HD6970 might squeeze another 5% more. :awe: Plus, Black Friday might bring some discounts?

No I'm not going 480->580 just for the hell of it. Im moving the 480 to my secondary rig which houses my 5850 currently, and then selling the 5850, or giving it to my younger bro for Xmas.

But I like new toys, and the 580 looks good right now. I wont rule out a 6970 though.

 

[T2k]

You really think something will take the crown from 580x2? I guess we will see...

Yawn. 5970 x2 can do it already.

 

[T2k]

Wtf kind of NDA lift time is that? I'd like to do unnecessary things to the face of whoever set THAT as the NDA lift time. Ugh.

That's 9AM Eastern, perfect for my morning coffee.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Yawn. 5970 x2 can do it already.

Well, your forgetting that quad GPU scaling is pretty horrible for both IHVs.

 

[3DVagabond]

580s on newegg right now.

You have to use the promo code to get the MSRP.


I might bust out the wallet once the SO goes to bed.......

*strokes beard with pointer and thumb*

You got to wait, LOL! No competition right now. The price will drop $100 or more when Cayman comes out. It's not really that much of an upgrade from the 480.

 

[Obsoleet]

That review reminded me how powerful the 5970 is. Wow.

580 doesn't look like a worthy upgrade from my 5870.. have to wait to see what AMD has to replace it.

 

[blastingcap]

You got to wait, LOL! No competition right now. The price will drop $100 or more when Cayman comes out. It's not really that much of an upgrade from the 480.

Let him pay more, I don't mind it when others subsidize me by buying cards at price-gouging numbers.

They pay more so I won't have to.

That should be my motto or something.

 

[Karl Agathon]

Hmmm, I wonder when the 580 will be available with gaming machines from the likes of Alienware, Digital Storm and Origin.

 

[shangshang]

I'm going with NV.

 

[ronnn]

congrats to nv, looks like a very nice card. Lets hope supply and profit is good. These companies could use some relief.

The best would be if some new games came out and not the usual console cross over.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

I hope not, I like seeing Furmark numbers as a complete worst case scenario.

Except with this software throttling implemented in the drivers you won't get your worst case scenario. Hence why I don't put any stalk into them at all. A reviewer could very well monitor power usage across all the games he (or she) tests, and then report which game has the highest and use that as the test methodology.

The comment on furmark being invalid is a stupid one. Their software throttles when it recognizes furmark/occt. What if a few months from now, games come out that puts the GPU at 100% load and cards die because they weren't able to cope.. just because they "were safe" as it throttles in furmark. Many NV cards died with SC2 at release.

Uh, you just contradicted yourself? You might have misspoke. However the fact there is throttling in (and only in) Furmark means Furmark is an invalid test for the data [a game not being able to cope, etc.] you are looking for when the throttling has not been disabled. Even without throttling I find the data it brings not pertinent to actual power consumption. The figures then become arbitrary, because I have noticed many times Furmark power results don't correlate to real-world.

Also I stated Furmark power consumption numbers are worthless, not the test itself. Your point about SC2 is not about power consumption and thus doesn't really argue against the point I had made, but again perhaps you misspoke. Furmark can be a valid test for whatever temperature or load-bearing situations a video card might possibly encounter, but even then it isn't real-world. And with the throttling-enabled, you won't be getting your worst-case-scenario anyway, making it worthless for testing such a thing.


Perhaps a few are taking my statement very hard. A review can include Furmark, however priority should be given to other types of power consumption levels under different kinds of loads like TPU shows. Average, idle, maximum sustained under gaming, peak under gaming, and video playback power consumption numbers are more important than Furmark ones.

 

[3DVagabond]

I think Furmark is good for giving you a worst case scenario. Useful to see how the card holds up under maximum stress. Is the heatsink, VRM, etc. up tp the task or merely marginal. Max draw for calculating what size PSU to use. Comparison one card to another in a controlled situation.

 

[Silverforce11]

Wasn't it mentioned that you can "disable" the throttling since its only applied to furmark? Sounds like its drivers.

My only concern is wanting to know if their cooling solution and GPU can handle max load. If you got nothing to hide, don't throttle it.

@Russian, i was aware AMD used to driver hack and throttle in Furmark (and coped a "shellacking", well deserved). I wasn't aware they still did it. Do they?? Cos my CF 5850s heats up nicely in Furmark well above any gaming scenario.