GTX580 reviews thread

[Indyboy2]

Looks like the 580 has been released
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...ription=gtx580

 

[Grooveriding]

You really think something will take the crown from 580x2? I guess we will see...

100% certain 6970 Crossfire will be faster than 580 SLI, and further that 6970 will overall be faster than a 580 and will be the clear winner at high resolutions.

GTX 580(GTX 485) is simply a refreshed GTX 480. It doesn't deserve the moniker of a new series. It is impressive in respect of showing us what the GTX 480 was supposed to be if it had not been rushed out. I'm not sure anyone can miss that.

Considering you can overclock a GTX 480 to matching the stock speed of a 580, calling this card a 580 rather than a 485 is silly, but nvidia was forced to as AMD's new cards go under the 6XXX series naming. When have you ever been able to overclock a prior gen to the same spped of the next gen ? I want to see a review showing the 580 downclocked to 480 speeds. It looks as if it would be 5% faster clock for clock. It's a refresh. Also note the lousy overclocking on these cards, a backtrack for nvidia, who almost always puts out cards with some decent headroom.

They pushed these as hard as they could to get that 15-20% performance gain. They know what they have to contend with when the Radeon 6970 comes out and did what they could to eke out the most performance. Releasing these ahead of the 6970 is the other gambit to try and get some sales before AMD gets on the dancefloor.

For a GTX 480 owner this card is only a worthwhile upgrade for an EVGA owner within ther stepup period or for a rabid nv fanboy.

I've got $100 via paypal that 6970 crossfire is faster than 580 SLI overall and 6970 is faster than 580 overall, any takers ?

The three good things about this are: hopefully cheap GTX 480 prices, a card with reasonable noise and thermals for the high end buying nv fanboy who doesn't have a 480 already and the high end vendor agnostic buyer not paying a huge price for the 6970 when it comes out because of nv putting out some competition.

Number three is a personal bonus for me. I'm even interested in 6990 quad fire depending on price. With the much improved 6XXX series scaling, I see 6990 x2 and dual/tri/quad crossfire 6970s being the new leader setups.

Holy thread-derail

Keep it on topic, you know this.

Moderator Idontcare

 

[Hauk]

Too much coin. It may be a decent improvement over 480, but not THAT decent!

Wow, that's kinda shocking. WTF nVidia??

 

[TurtleCrusher]

$567 shipped? Lol WTF?

nVidia is DREAMING.

 

[Keysplayr]

$567 shipped? Lol WTF?

nVidia is DREAMING.

No, Online retailers are gouging. MSRP for the 580 is 499.00.
Newegg is mega gouging.

 

[MangoX]

Looks like the 580 has been released
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...ription=gtx580

Hmm... no results for newegg.ca. Is this is US launch only?

 

[Grooveriding]

$567 shipped? Lol WTF?

nVidia is DREAMING.

Price is obscene, yes. What is MSRP of GTX 480 ?

This card should be priced with a MSRP of whatever the 480 was at prior to this release.

That said, if you want one of these, give it a couple of weeks for the 6970 to launch and the price will likely drop $100.

 

[Keysplayr]

Price is obscene, yes. What is MSRP of GTX 480 ?

This card should be priced with a MSRP of whatever the 480 was at prior to this release.

That said, if you want one of these, give it a couple of weeks for the 6970 to launch and the price will likely drop $100.

I thought the 69 series was delayed and may not make it before the holidays?
Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[chewietobbacca]

I thought the 69 series was delayed and may not make it before the holidays?
Correct me if I'm wrong.

That's just rumors based on other rumors. Only one source ever said it was delayed (TechEye) and everyone else just based it off their report. And since not a peep was said about this til a few days before the 580 launch, I'm more likely to believe this is a bs story

 

[Hauk]

Priced to make 480 seem like a "good deal?" 480 inventory clearing strategy? Wow.

 

[Keysplayr]

That's just rumors based on other rumors. Only one source ever said it was delayed (TechEye) and everyone else just based it off their report. And since not a peep was said about this til a few days before the 580 launch, I'm more likely to believe this is a bs story

So you feel that in the face of the rumor, the 69 series will launch before the holidays? Might this be more of AMDs intentional FUD campaign?

 

[Keysplayr]

Priced to make 480 seem like a "good deal?" 480 inventory clearing strategy? Wow.

It's possible, but this is on the retailers only. Nvidia set the MSRP at 499.00

 

[chewietobbacca]

So you feel that in the face of the rumor, the 69 series will launch before the holidays? Might this be more of AMDs intentional FUD campaign?

Why would AMD create FUD when they haven't had any problems delivering their cards on time? For that matter, Cayman slides were presented at Barts' conference, so it was scheduled soon regardless.

In fact, who's history is more likely to create FUD?

http://consumerist.com/2006/02/did-nvidia-hire-online-actors-to-promote-their-products.html

 

[PingviN]

So you feel that in the face of the rumor, the 69 series will launch before the holidays? Might this be more of AMDs intentional FUD campaign?

Maybe it's a part of nvidias international FUD campaign? Thought about that?

 

[Keysplayr]

Maybe it's a part of nvidias international FUD campaign? Thought about that?

PingviN, please sit there and tell me that you didn't know about AMD's recent massive misinformation campaign? You thought I was making fun of AMD and so you take a mocking stab at me? WTF dude?

Wow, I guess there are some people who didn't know. chewietobbacca included according to his seemingly clueless post above about it. I thought you guys especially would be apprised of that situation. Well, you can ask Silverforce11 or BlastingCap about it then if you don't believe this coming from me.

 

[Hauk]

It's possible, but this is on the retailers only. Nvidia set the MSRP at 499.00

Sorry for the multiple sticker shock posts. Not so surprising with Newegg. They'll hike a price if they can get away with it. nV/retailers would have been much better off cutting 480 to $400ish and sticking to MSRP on 580. They'll adjust if they want to sell off remaining 480s. 580 availability will be a factor.

Keys, any idea on units available?

 

[Ares1214]

Those prices... Even at $499 i said this was a mediocre card for what seems to come and what the expectations were set to. Those prices are way too high. Hopefully, and probably, they will drop soon or when the 6970 drops.

 

[Keysplayr]

Sorry for the multiple sticker shock posts. Not so surprising with Newegg. They'll hike a price if they can get away with it. nV/retailers would have been much better off cutting 480 to $400ish and sticking to MSRP on 580. They'll adjust if they want to sell off remaining 480s. 580 availability will be a factor.

Keys, any idea on units available?

The problem with reducing the price of the 480 is, well, why would they at this point in time. The performance position of the 480 has not changed at all. Only that now it has become the 2nd fastest single GPU card out now.
Nvidia released the 580 which seems to be approx. 20% +/- faster over GTX480. It makes sense to charge 20% more for it over the 480. But MSRP for the 480 is what? 469? I am unsure about that point.

If say the AMD 6970 came out yesterday and offered 20% performance over the GTX480 for the same price as the 480. That is when you might see 480's price drop.

EDIT: Hauk, I have no idea of how many units are available.

 

[Keysplayr]

Those prices... Even at $499 i said this was a mediocre card for what seems to come and what the expectations were set to. Those prices are way too high. Hopefully, and probably, they will drop soon or when the 6970 drops.

We have no clue how the 69xx series will perform. It could be fantastic beyond expectation, or it could be another 2900XT. Due to the rumor of lateness, and yes, I acknowledge that it is a rumor, but rumors spring from some sort of truth somewhere, I expect AMD to have a bit of trouble with the 69xx series. New architecture, right? Vec4 instead of Vec5? So, we don't know what the 69xx series will do to the pricing scheme. It may cause everything under it to plummet if the performance is stellar for the price. Could be a mediocre release where it performs well, but not as hyped to. Or it could be AMD's turn for hardship with manufacturing. Maybe it's AMD's turn for a "fabric" like the issues Nvidia ran into with GF100.

Well, I can go on forever as we all could. So many possibilities.

 

[Hauk]

Thanks Keys.

The other side of the coin though.. nV should consider current 5870 pricing. They did good with the 470 price cut and 460 pricing; but they're not moving on the opportunity to clear 480s out. Look at 5870 pricing in comparison. If 580 is readily available, do what's needed to move 480s (at a price point that's competitive). 480 isn't $100+ better than 5870.

If they have 580 product to support it, they should cut 480 to $399 immediatly.

 

[Keysplayr]

Thanks Keys.

The other side of the coin though.. nV should consider current 5870 pricing. They did good with the 470 price cut and 460 pricing; but they're not moving on the opportunity to clear 480s out. Look at 5870 pricing in comparison. If 580 is readily available, do what's needed to move 480s (at a price point that's competitive). 480 isn't $100+ better than 5870.

If they have 580 product to support it, they should cut 480 to $399 immediatly.

Whether 480 is or is not $100 better than a 5870 is debatable. The 480 was the fastest single GPU flagship card and will have a higher premium for being such. AMD has the 5970, and priced accordingly. 5870 and GTX470 are pitted against each other. 480, and now 580 are in a class of their own and unfortunately will cost more. We have to see what AMD's 6 series brings in terms of price/performance/features. Well see, and I hope sooner than later. I hear AMD is having some sort of snafu with the 69xx series manufacturing. Could be bogus though.

 

[Grooveriding]

We have no clue how the 69xx series will perform. It could be fantastic beyond expectation, or it could be another 2900XT. Due to the rumor of lateness, and yes, I acknowledge that it is a rumor, but rumors spring from some sort of truth somewhere, I expect AMD to have a bit of trouble with the 69xx series. New architecture, right? Vec4 instead of Vec5? So, we don't know what the 69xx series will do to the pricing scheme. It may cause everything under it to plummet if the performance is stellar for the price. Could be a mediocre release where it performs well, but not as hyped to. Or it could be AMD's turn for hardship with manufacturing. Maybe it's AMD's turn for a "fabric" like the issues Nvidia ran into with GF100.

Well, I can go on forever as we all could. So many possibilities.

Really you think every rumor springs from truth ? You sure were fast to jump on the rumor that nv's price cuts were not permanent really fast. You set that record straight right quick. Guess it's only the rumor you prefer to be true that have that basis of some truth.

Can you field a question to nv for us ? Ask them why they've named a GTX 480 refresh as a brand new series ? The 580 is just the 512SP 480 we've been hearing of for months now. Why the weird naming ? Have you got your free pair of GTX 580s from nvidia yet ? Or did they not bother with the focus group process for this launch as the card is really just a refresh not a new series as it's name denotes.

Perhaps in your capacity as a mod you can lock the umpteen 580 threads and create the stickied 580 review thread for us all as we saw with the 6870/6850 launch. Thanks.


Yes the 6970 sure is looking to be an exciting launch when it comes out this month. Brand new architecture. Fastest single-gpu. Big improvements in crossfire scaling that will make it the multiple-card champ as well. Then there is the 6990 in December to look forward to.



The derogatory manner of this post is simply unacceptable in a technical forum.

Moderator Idontcare

 

[Keysplayr]

Really you think every rumor springs from truth ? You sure were fast to jump on the rumor that nv's price cuts were not permanent really fast. You set that record straight right quick. Guess it's only the rumor you prefer to be true that have that basis of some truth.

This was true "at one point in time" until it was clarified later on to be permanent. So yes, I stand by what I said. Every rumor has some minute amount of truth to it somewhere, even if that truth is only a truth for a brief time. Same thing. It seems you have some contempt for my jumping on that rumor quickly. Would you rather have been kept in the dark rather than to hear it from me?

Can you field a question to nv for us ? Ask them why they've named a GTX 480 refresh as a brand new series ? The 580 is just the 512SP 480 we've been hearing of for months now. Why the weird naming ? Have you got your free pair of GTX 580s from nvidia yet ? Or did they not bother with the focus group process for this launch as the card is really just a refresh not a new series as it's name denotes.

I already shot off an email to AMD asking the same thing about the 68xx series. I'll let you know what I hear.

Perhaps in your capacity as a mod you can lock the umpteen 580 threads and create the stickied 580 review thread for us all as we saw with the 6870/6850 launch. Thanks.
I am not a video forum mod. Ask Idontcare, BFG10k, or MarkFW600.


Yes the 6970 sure is looking to be an exciting launch when it comes out this month. Brand new architecture. Fastest single-gpu. Big improvements in crossfire scaling that will make it the multiple-card champ as well. Then there is the 6990 in December to look forward to.

6970 is rumored to be late. Do you disagree with this, and why?
Claiming fastest single GPU is a bit pre-mature don't you think? We don't even know if this will be the next 2900XT or R300 yet.

You're claiming many things here without anything to back it up Groover. Why?
1. Brand new arch? Ok sure.
2. Fastest single GPU? Where?
3. Big improvements in crossfire? Where?
4. 6990 in Dec? Confirmed? Where?

 

[Grooveriding]

6970 is rumored to be late. Do you disagree with this, and why?
Claiming fastest single GPU is a bit pre-mature don't you think? We don't even know if this will be the next 2900XT or R300 yet.

You're claiming many things here without anything to back it up Groover. Why?
1. Brand new arch? Ok sure.
2. Fastest single GPU? Where?
3. Big improvements in crossfire? Where?
4. 6990 in Dec? Confirmed? Where?

Well Keys, every rumor has it's basis in some truth as you said.

Thanks for sidestepping my questions though. I won't answer yours with the same two-step shuffle you did to mine.

But, I'll see you in 2X days and we can discuss why you think the 580 is better than the 6970 because of physx even though the 6970 is the faster card.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

The 2900XT wasnt that bad... Its just that the 8800 GTX was REALLY good and eclipsed everything from the previous generation, sometimes getting over twice the performance

So, even if Cayman is another 2900XT, it will still be enough to beat the 580... It just needs to be 50% faster than the 5870 on average

I cant wait... I have a great feeling about this card, I am expecting an architectural revamp sort of like 3870 > 4870, which ended up one of the best/most popular cards ever