GTX680, images from THG review leaked

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railven

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They feed off each other with pricing. My constructive nit-pick wasn't the initial pricing but more so performance/value for the pricing, which have been more evolutionary and incremental compared to higher historical levels.

Some may differ, but for me, these are rare times with substantial and significant node and arches are offered. Some gamers get truly excited about the prospect of redefined price/performance for segments and the new innovative features of goodies that are offered to improve image quality, immersion and the gaming experience.

Sadly, it seems yields, costs and constraints in wafers had made it tough on performance/value early on with 28nm. It is what it is and some may feel disappointed to some levels.

To be frank, I've never thought of you as one of the people I refer to - it's just reply to me, and I you, so it may seem as I'm targeting you. I've understood your position (as that was the norm for many years).

Both companies are in it to make money, I'm not blind to that - what I think is a good price to me (ooohh, a X-product on sale with MIR, and a free game!) is probably nothing more than overstock and a digital coupon.

I'm just tired of the people who slammed one company for raising the top threshold (when frankly, they did nothing different than the traditional trends - only exception is the performance increase wasn't as traditional EDIT: be mindful when I asked said people what HD 7970 should have costed, they never once answered honestly (free! is not an answer haha)) then praise the opponent company for doing basically the exact same thing. I don't measure die sizes, I don't go call my card Tahiti or GF104, but when this product was first introduced it was championed as the GTX 560 successor with a modest price point - now it's the Tahiti slayer with a rumored $500+ price point and those that slammed AMD the first time around are patting each other on the back because their team just won the super bowl. Even more so the ones that claim being neutral.

Either way, I'm getting off my soap box. I can't wait for this card to launch so I can finish my buying cycle until 2014
 

jacktesterson

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Gaming Higher than 1080p..... 7970 is a better value still. (if 680 priced higher)

for 1080p Gaming, a good showing.
 

digitaldurandal

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CAUTION

Malware Bytes detected the pop up images from the website linked by the OP to be malicious and attempt to send outgoing information from my computer.
 

Olikan

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Scores without Hawx 2 and WoW using AA Max :

1080P AA | GTX680 | HD7970

Metro2033 AAA
64.33|72.33

Skyrim Ultra/FXAA
92.76|83

BF3 4XMSAA
77.51|68.46

Crysis2 Ultra/DX11
69.70|55.60

DirtIII
98.65|80.58

Total GTX680 : 402.95
Total HD7970 : 359.97

Ratio GTX680/HD7970 : 111.94%

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1600P AA | GTX680 | HD7970

Metro2033 AAA
40.00|43.00

Skyrim Ultra/FXAA
63.32|59.96

BF3 4XMSAA
44.58|42.43

Crysis2 Ultra/DX11
38.40|32.70

DirtIII
64.73|54.73

Total GTX680 : 251.23
Total HD7970 : 232.82

Ratio GTX680/HD7970 : 107.9%

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?277763-%93Kepler%94-Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-780&p=5071547&viewfull=1#post5071547
 

f1sherman

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i was too...than i read this...

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/review/2162193/nvidias-gtx680-thrashed-amds-mid-range-radeon-hd-7870-gpu-compute

basicly, nvidia traded alot of the gpgpu for gaming performance...

FINALLY, someone realized that DP performance is useless for us...gj nvidia

orly


Fastest Nvidia card, at $500, with the GX104-like DP performance (1/12 of SP), not GX100-like 1/2 SP, and a modest BW - for an end user.

Realistically this is a mid-part, but in essence does not matter because its the fastest for some time.
(Also AMD boys&girls might be rubbed wrongly )
 
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ocre

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as far as pricing. If the 680 is $499:

you would have a card 20% faster and cost $50 less. The price performance in this situation would be greatly improved over the 7970s. Its a huge difference.

this is what we are looking at now. These cards arent in the same park at all if the price is $499. the 680 price performance is something like 33% better in this case.

But for now its all still guess work. The review pics are nowhere near enough data. I think its real, but a small handful of games.
 

AtenRa

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Here is my take on that... They had GK104 and GK110 (or GK100, who knows) in the works to be released at the same time. Someone had problems with GK110, what problems or whose fault it was no one knows. Nvidia decided to focus on the GK104 and figure out GK110's problem. After the 7970 was released, Nvidia shifted focus to releasing GK104 since it was comparable in performance.

What happens now is anyone's guess.

IMHO, GK100 is around the corner. They need to have a high end HPC chip for the Quadro and Tesla market. GK104 GPGPU/HPC is not higher than GF110 or AMDs GCN.

We could be witnesses of a $650-700 GK100 desktop card in a couple of months from now (April-May with low availability).
 

atticus14

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really nice card but i cant get over the fact that this card probably would have been 300 and even cheaper then that after a few months. If GK110 does hit in 6-7 months along with the benefits of better 28nm yields its going to depreciate these cards relatively fast. For those who think of videocards as longer term investments and factor in resale value to help finance the next gen purchase, this card looks like bad ROI.

I'm interested in what GK107(?) brings to the table considering sometimes theres major pitfalls stepping down from midrange to whatever is under that. Just as a simple comparison the stepdown from an AMD 78xx to a 77xx is pretty laughable.
 

amenx

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Have people figured out yet if this is middle end or high end? I thought people were saying the first card released would be the replacer to the GTX 560, and that its replacing GF104 type architectures. Now this is called GTX 680, and beats AMD high end...Was the community mislead to begin with, is Nvidia using stupid naming schemes, or is their middle end putting a bit of a smackdown on AMD high end? Or maybe I am just confused, but since when does a high end Nvidia card run cooler and on a smaller die than the comparable AMD card?! Maybe theres more to come, as in the GTX 685 is like a GTX 570, and GTX 690 is like a GTX 580...
Exactly my line of thought. I'm thinking this card is possibly a 660 with Nvidia calling it a 680 just to rake in more cash. And to be followed with a 690 (the 'real' 680) at about the time AMD refresh the 7970.
 

Chiropteran

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Images hosted on a site infested with malware. I'll wait for the real review, though it does sound like nvidia learned from the disaster that was Fermi. Good job team green
 

amenx

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^ and if so, it may explain the enthusiastic 'Kepler is unbeatable' comment by the Nv employee.
 

Gloomy

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If this korean 2560x1440 display isnt dead by then, I'll probably upgrade before fall. All I need to see now is the overclocking headroom. I'm also going to wait until some non reference boards are released that I'm sure aren't cutting corners...
 

tviceman

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That's what I'm interested in. Looks to be a hot card (79C under load) so W/C may unlock a lot of potential.

Notice that Nvidia's reference solution favors quieter operation at the expense of hotter running chips. Cranking up the fan to an equal decibel setting of what Tahiti's fan noise outputs and the temps are probably very similar.
 

Tempered81

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scores
Ratio GTX680/HD7970 : 107.9%

Removed dirt3, added Crysis 2 in DX9:

1600P AA | GTX680 | HD7970

Metro2033 AAA
40.00|43.00

Skyrim Ultra/FXAA
63.32|59.96

BF3 4XMSAA
44.58|42.43

Crysis2 Ultra/DX11
38.40|32.70

Crysis2 Ultra/DX9
51.20|53.50

Total GTX680 : 237.70
Total HD7970 : 231.59

Ratio GTX680/HD7970 : 102.6%

Now which card will scale with clocks?
 

wlee15

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Fastest Nvidia card, at $500, with the GX104-like DP performance (1/12 of SP), not GX100-like 1/2 SP, and a modest BW - for an end user.

It appears to be 1/16 and not 1/12 DP rate, and I would assume that it's not driver limited but it's actual limit.

GK100/110 is probably going to be a bit of a disappointment for gamers given it's need to have a much high DP rate (probably 1/4 to 1/2) is going to take up a lot of the transistor budget.
 

notty22

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Why did nvidia only go with 2GB? I can't figure that one out..

Nvidia is also running the memory clocked as fast as any gpu product released. If they were to go to 4gb cards, they probably would need denser individual IC's. And as we see the new 8gb desktop ram modules , they are coming introduced at slower speeds and more expensive than 4gb modules. Similar manufacturing costs would have applied. A single monitor and even 3 at 1080p operate with 2gb fine.
3 2560x1600 monitors with gpu power to run AA might benefit from more gpu ram. I think some enthusiasts have proven that out.
My opinion.
 

SirPauly

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IMHO, GK100 is around the corner. They need to have a high end HPC chip for the Quadro and Tesla market. GK104 GPGPU/HPC is not higher than GF110 or AMDs GCN.

We could be witnesses of a $650-700 GK100 desktop card in a couple of months from now (April-May with low availability).

I can no doubt see a 649 MSRP --- heck nVidia did that with the GTX 280. All this strong defense of premium prices and desires to see their company win --- what ever happened to the strong defense of price/performance and value for the consumer?
 

ocre

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if this was intended to be their 660 at first, i just dont think the original wouldve been this beefed up. I would say it wouldve been more like 700mhz like the origianl leaks where showing. since its now +30% faster clocks its probably already close to the speeds the bigK would be. Thia could explain why they scrapped the original. they could get the same performance for a lot less power. Efficiency is through the roof
 

Olikan

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Removed dirt3, added Crysis 2 in DX9:

1600P AA | GTX680 | HD7970

Metro2033 AAA
40.00|43.00

Skyrim Ultra/FXAA
63.32|59.96

BF3 4XMSAA
44.58|42.43

Crysis2 Ultra/DX11
38.40|32.70

Crysis2 Ultra/DX9
51.20|53.50

Total GTX680 : 237.70
Total HD7970 : 231.59

Ratio GTX680/HD7970 : 102.6%

Now which card will scale with clocks?

D:
kepler seems to get pwnd by MSAA and high resolutions...
HardCop benchmarks will for sure look like both are equal :thumbsup:
 
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