GTX680 pics

[MaxPayne63]

680 Listed for pre-order in Holland

ZOTAC GTX680 2GB DDR5 256 bit 1006 6008HDCP Dual DVI HDMI DP
€ 607, 59
Bron: Factoryprices - ZOTAC GTX680 2GB DDR5 256 bit 1006 6008HDCP Dual DVI HDMI DP - ZT-60101-10P - Zotac

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Poster at xs forums says 7970's cost about 550-600 Euros, same price as they are in dollars in USA.

This price includes VAT, yeah? I'm too lazy to find/figure out precisely what the scale is, but here:

http://www.comcom.nl/p/club3d/default_product/cgax_7977/vga_c3d_pcie_ati_hd7970_3gb_ddr5_with_dirt3/

and here:

http://www.misco.co.uk/Cat/7995/Graphics-Cards?Graphics_Processor__STRING=AMD+Radeon+HD7970

VAT looks to be about 20% the cost of a GPU in the EU, but I'd pay less than half of that buying locally. I haven't bought a top of the line GPU since I had to mow lawns to pay for it, but I'm liking what's been posted on kepler the last few pages.

 

[tviceman]

If the chip does exist it's probably just on paper and it will not see the light of day unless there is a 20nm shrink, which is very unlikely before 2013.

The most you will get on 28nm is 2xGK104 slightly down clocked to fit a 350W envelope.

I seriously doubt Nvidia has abandoned the flagship dual-purpose big die. But that is just my opinion.

It looks like GK104 is going to consume less power than a gtx275 - and that chip was doubled up under 300watts with gtx295. Twice the chips on one card != twice the power consumption. There are power savings when sharing the same card.

 

[Grooveriding]

Given that nvidia has what looks to be about 15% less die area, a 1000 stock core and 2x6 pin - I don't see the 680 getting the 25% overclocks the 7970 does. nvidia as been getting ready with the advantage of knowing where the bar is set and I think the 1000 core clock speaks to that.

With the leaks we've seen as yet I also have not seen a clear win for the 680 either, certainly not of the caliber we saw with 580 vs 6970. At best I think we are looking at the sort of advantage the 480 had over the 5870 in performance with the polar opposite we saw in thermals and power consumption. Perhaps less because some titles I think will be faster on the 7970 - Shogun 2, Alan Wake, Deus Ex: HR and likely Crysis.

If AMD has its ducks lined up, they should be pushing AIBs to get the Toxic, Lightning and better yet - reference 7970s with 1100core out on the market. Muddy the waters with two cards you can't really differentiate on performance and you'll get cheaper prices most likely.

Nah, they'll just slot in a little above and below one another and goooo premiums.

 

[Gikaseixas]

No magic drivers are coming down the pike. AMD is not on the ropes. AMD is being administered a standing 8 count after taking a right hook to the chin.

Yeah maybe not, we'll just have to wait and see next week. I haven't see a fight like this forever. In CPU's AMD was defeated AND in GPU's we're about to witness a bloody exchange.

 

[Gloomy]

I'm confused.

 

[thilanliyan]

I doubt we'll see any flak. With nVidia now giving their blessing to the new perf/price situation - magically it is more than acceptable and expect the "TAKE MY MONEY" memes to get posted around haha.

Yep, where are all those whiners? Oh right I mistook this forum as fair and balanced. Lol

 

[Grooveriding]

Yep, where are all those whiners? Oh right I mistook this forum as fair and balanced. Lol

Looking forward to this hardware canucks graph in the 680 review

Waiting for the cacophony of premium complaints if that 680 improvement number is not over 41%. :sneaky:

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Yep, where are all those whiners? Oh right I mistook this forum as fair and balanced. Lol

It's still too much $$ for my tastes. Although in my situation I will pay a premium for Nvidia since I currently use and enjoy nvidia 3D.

 

[railven]

Looking forward to this hardware canucks graph in the 680 review

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Waiting for the cacophony of premium complaints if that 680 improvement number is not over 41%. :sneaky:

HD 7970 got flak for only being 25% faster than the current lead - GTX 580. When GTX 680 launches it will be "OMFG it's 100% faster than the HD 6970! LOLZ!!!" Waiting for GTX 670 to launch so I can buy and then go back to lurking (Unless slow day at work ) you guys can fight about who's giving it to you better haha.

It's still too much $$ for my tastes. Although in my situation I will pay a premium for Nvidia since I currently use and enjoy nvidia 3D.

Face to palm...

EDIT: Oh yeah.

Go Premiums! Now we can all say it!

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

So you guys can't argue performance per mm2, power consumption, overall performance, price, gpgpu, or any other metric so now it's resorted to personal attacks.
Face it. Amd has face planted with the 79XX series and nvidia is about to show you why.

 

[Ieat]

Yep, where are all those whiners? Oh right I mistook this forum as fair and balanced. Lol

There seem to be plenty of whiners here. Except they're whining about people not whining over the price of a product that hasn't even been announced yet.

 

[railven]

So you guys can't argue performance per mm2, power consumption, overall performance, price, gpgpu, or any other metric so now it's resorted to personal attacks.

General you guys includes, me - which I never argued any of those. So suck it Trabek

Face it. Amd has face planted with the 79XX series and nvidia is about to show you why.

All I have to say to this is:

It's still too much $$ for my tastes. Although in my situation I will pay a premium for Nvidia since I currently use and enjoy nvidia 3D.

Face to palm...

 

[Grooveriding]

So you guys can't argue performance per mm2, power consumption, overall performance, price, gpgpu, or any other metric so now it's resorted to personal attacks.
Face it. Amd has face planted with the 79XX series and nvidia is about to show you why.

First off, haven't seen anyone get personal. You might be feeling affronted because you complained a lot about 7970 pricing around here and now here is the 680 for the same price.

Per the bold, how ? With a card that trades blows for the same price ? Per the press slides we've seen, they are even showing benches that are equal on 7970 & 680 and small advantages in the games that do best on nvidia hardware. How do you expect the proper impartial reviews to turn out ?

Well we'll find out shortly regardless I guess.

Go Premiums!

 

[tviceman]

Given that nvidia has what looks to be about 15% less die area, a 1000 stock core and 2x6 pin - I don't see the 680 getting the 25% overclocks the 7970 does. nvidia as been getting ready with the advantage of knowing where the bar is set and I think the 1000 core clock speaks to that.

This will be the final "litmus" test - to see how well it overclocks on average.

 

[Imouto]

So you guys can't argue performance per mm2, power consumption, overall performance, price, gpgpu, or any other metric so now it's resorted to personal attacks.
Face it. Amd has face planted with the 79XX series and nvidia is about to show you why.

I think we are still talking about leaks here.

 

[taltamir]

Given that nvidia has what looks to be about 15% less die area, a 1000 stock core and 2x6 pin - I don't see the 680 getting the 25% overclocks the 7970 does. nvidia as been getting ready with the advantage of knowing where the bar is set and I think the 1000 core clock speaks to that.

This will be the final "litmus" test - to see how well it overclocks on average.

Agreed
I honestly will be very very suprised if the GTX680 does NOT outperform the 7970 at stock (what with being released later)... the thing is the 7970 sips power and has lots of overclocking headroom, how far would nvidia have to push to beat the 7970 in terms of power and headroom. If they have to redline it then AMD could easily retaliate with a 7990 which is identical to the 7970 only with more aggressive clocking. I would bet that this has already been considered and that this is their plan from the get go.

 

[railven]

Agreed
I honestly will be very very suprised if the GTX680 does NOT outperform the 7970 at stock (what with being released later)... the thing is the 7970 sips power and has lots of overclocking headroom, how far would nvidia have to push to beat the 7970 in terms of power and headroom. If they have to redline it then AMD could easily retaliate with a 7990 which is identical to the 7970 only with more aggressive clocking.

In fact, I would be that this has already been accounted for and they have it ready.

Then slide me that bios file and give me a sharpie, cuz I'd put a loop on the last 7 of my HD 7970 haha.

 

[thilanliyan]

nm

 

[tviceman]

Agreed
I honestly will be very very suprised if the GTX680 does NOT outperform the 7970 at stock (what with being released later)... the thing is the 7970 sips power and has lots of overclocking headroom, how far would nvidia have to push to beat the 7970 in terms of power and headroom. If they have to redline it then AMD could easily retaliate with a 7990 which is identical to the 7970 only with more aggressive clocking. I would bet that this has already been considered and that this is their plan from the get go.

Well the slide on the previous page shows the gtx680 using less power under load the hd7970. Another slide shows it was running a few degrees cooler. Both of these measurements are not indicative of the entire overclocking potential, but both are indications that gtx680 still has headroom to run at faster speeds.

Remember, Nvidia can't just press a magic button that will make gk104 yield great no matter how they clock the chip. They have to take into how many chips per wafer they can get to run at full speeds. If they can only get a few (not very many at all) then they would simply be unable to launch it at such high core speeds.

 

[Olikan]

Remember, Nvidia can't just press a magic button that will make gk104 yield great no matter how they clock the chip. They have to take into how many chips per wafer they can get to run at full speeds. If they can only get a few (not very many at all) then they would simply be unable to launch it at such high core speeds.

anyway they can just price it highter....oh wait!

 

[Termie]

7990 already waiting in the wings: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Radeon-HD-7990-Kepler-GTX680,15032.html

 

[BallaTheFeared]

7990 already waiting in the wings: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Radeon-HD-7990-Kepler-GTX680,15032.html

Two power hungry, under performing chips on the same PCB doesn't sound like win to me.

7970 is what the 480 would have been, had it been slower than the 5870.

 

[blackened23]

Two power hungry, under performing chips on the same PCB doesn't sound like win to me.

7970 is what the 480 would have been, had it been slower than the 5870.

Two power hungry , under performing chips? Are you talking about 470 sli? D:

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Well I clearly couldn't be talking about 7970 CF on the same PCB since AMD would never release it with their current drive woes.

 

[AtenRa]

Sorry do disappoint you, but GK100/110 probably doesn't exist as you imagine it.

In theory a 2304 SP would hit near 300W, which is outrageous for a single gpu card. Think more than GF100 power consumption and heat output, and a very high price.

If the chip does exist it's probably just on paper and it will not see the light of day unless there is a 20nm shrink, which is very unlikely before 2013.

The most you will get on 28nm is 2xGK104 slightly down clocked to fit a 350W envelope.

With the latest info on GK104, i believe GK100/110 will not be Superscalar like GK104 is. It will probably have 2048 Cuda Cores (128 cores per SMX with 16 SMX per die).

So, it will not have 300W TDP but close to 250W.