GTX680 pics

[SirPauly]

Knowing how important performance/$ is to you with significant and substantial node and arch changes, I know you are going to be very dissapointed in a $550 GTX 680 that is only 30-40% faster than a GTX 580. ()

Right ?

I have already stated that about a dozen times. I feel 60-75 percent difference with similar price-points are reasonable -- based on a new node and arch.

 

[Grooveriding]

Can picture you flailing your arms wildly! LOL. Kewl. AT least you're being a good sport about it all.
I'm sure it won't be long now.

^^

There you have it, someone tries to make a point, gets exploded, resorts to juvenile rabble. Show some more respect for the forums considering the position you were given here.

 

[Grooveriding]

I have already stated that about a dozen times. I feel 60-75 percent difference with similar price-points are reasonable -- based on a new node and arch.

Looks like we are both waiting to see GK110 then.

 

[blackened23]

It's amazing how people just can't enjoy the products. The price/perf curve was broken due to anomalies that generally don't usually happen. When asked where they'd price the HD 7970 - none of them answered, they just knew it was too expensive based on past events.

I'm just as guilty as everyone else in getting caught up in these arguments, and forget that its just silicon meant to give users enjoyment. The water cooling crowd is even worse about it, they tend to spend 80% of their time benchmarking and another 5% talking about it on the web

Think i'll hit up some AC2 this evening now that i'm thinking about it.

 

[Grooveriding]

The water cooling crowd is even worse about it, they tend to spend 80% of their time benchmarking and another 5% talking about it on the web

My first experiences with water cooling have been a whole lot of case tipping, emptying of water, refilling, leak-test, cursing at not being able to route the tubing just the way I liked, putting in yet another order for some more fittings, leak-test, refilling, checking temps again.... lol

It's fun though.

 

[railven]

Think i'll hit up some AC2 this evening now that i'm thinking about it.

Not sure about you guys, but I paid money to game not to measure die sizes. While I do care about perf/watt (that's because my house is all electric and frankly these animals don't just sip power as we'd like to think haha) outside of that.

GAME ON MUTHAF#($(*!!!!!!

 

[SirPauly]

Personally like the immersion, features, quality of the features, gaming experience potential of what the GPU's offer instead of going on-and-on what product is faster.

The reason for the excitement is what these GPU's can actually do to enhance the games I play.

 

[blastingcap]

GTX 480 draws about 40 more watts than the 7970, let's get back to reality.

The reality of the situation is this is worse than that even... This is a GTX 480 that draws more power, and is slower than the 5870. Can you imagine that?

Because that is what the 7970 is shaping up to be compared to the 680, slower and draws more power.

5xxx wasn't a GPGPU card, and it wasn't even a very good DX11 card. The only reason it looked halfway decent in 2010 is because there weren't any DX11 titles like we have today.

Hence we get back to this root of this discussion. The metrics people were trying to use to discredit 4xx and 5xx cards in favor of AMD cards have been reversed, and it's now the AMD card baring those burdens, while not having the benefit of actually being faster.

The 5870 remains a solid card even today, 2.5 years later. Few games utilize DX11 at all, and the ones that do often don't use it in a way that significantly improves user experience. You can thank consolification of games for that. By the time tessellation is mainstream, we'll be on DX12 anyway.

Regarding power: idle power matters much more than max power if you leave your computer on for much longer than you game. (You need to take a weighted average.) So I think for most normal people, especially those who leave their computers on 24/7 but even just those who write in MS Word/websurf/check email/etc. more than they game, the idle power matters more. I've posted many times about this phenomenon in the past. So it will be interesting to see how the GTX 680 does on idle power.*

As for the 680 vs 7970: GPU boost, adaptive VSync, PhysX, CUDA, different UI, vs. +1 GB VRAM and Dual Bios switch. Both have some fancy anti-aliasing stuff that frankly I don't care about. Possibly different noise characteristics, too. And obviously pricing may be different.

On paper, Nvidia has the better feature set. (I am assuming that Kepler is capable of single-GPU 3+ monitors and if necessary can copy the Dual Bios switch idea.) But the advantage isn't that great in real life since few games use PhysX at all, and the ones that do often don't do it in a way that significantly improves user experience. Sort of like the +1 GB VRAM probably won't help anyone not running 1600p or Eyefinity so it's just "nice to have" but doesn't really help anything. UI and anti-aliasing I guess can be a personal preference thing.

So the real bonus of going NVDA, I think, is GPU Boost and Adaptive VSync.

By the way, there are few bad cards, just bad price points. For example, if AMD had released the HD 5830 at, say, $180, it would have gotten much better reviews. Or if the GTX 480 had been released for $50 less, that would have blunted a lot of the panning re: heat/power.

If the 680 helps drive down prices for 7970 that is good from a consumer standpoint.

* - Incidentally, this is what makes Nvidia's Optimus switching system strong for mobile. Idle power matters more!

 

[SirPauly]

Both have some fancy anti-aliasing stuff that frankly I don't care about.

Personally care about anti-aliasing features very much so.

 

[railven]

If the 680 helps drive down prices for 7970 that is good from a consumer standpoint.

* - Incidentally, this is what makes Nvidia's Optimus switching system strong for mobile. Idle power matters more!

Any thing that drives price down is a good thing from consumer stand points. I'm all for price cuts! And the best way to get price cuts is to get healthy competition.

On the issue of idling, tearing, and stuff, my motherboard came with something called Virtu Lucid - I saw it in another thread. I wonder if these is similar to the adaptive v-sync thing-a-majig. Personally I have no interest in testing but with Intel/AMD CPUs all bring a GPU I wonder if this will catch on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZCGt9BIjjw

I can't find one for the v-sync, someone had a thread about there here earlier.

EDIT: NVM it seems like a different product all together:

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Without a modded BIOS the 7970 fares pretty well in power consumption

Your chart shows a 560 (non ti - ie 460) drawing 21 more watts than a 570.. Wut?

 

[Skurge]

I think I'm going to avoid V&G for a while. This is ridiculous. New posters and old posters can't seem to behave themselves and act like adults.

There are 3 fanboy or troll posts for every 1 good one.

 

[Ajay]

If the 680 helps drive down prices for 7970 that is good from a consumer standpoint.

Probably no chance of that happening unless there is some price positioning for Christmas. Seem like AMD and NV are going to be supply limited for another 3 months or so.

 

[Ajay]

With the latest info on GK104, i believe GK100/110 will not be Superscalar like GK104 is. It will probably have 2048 Cuda Cores (128 cores per SMX with 16 SMX per die).

So, it will not have 300W TDP but close to 250W.

TDP will probably be higher because it will have more compute power (GPGPU). But NV will probably list the TDP lower than it actually is (as they famously did with the 480).

 

[BallaTheFeared]

TDP will probably be higher because it will have more compute power (GPGPU). But NV will probably list the TDP lower than it actually is (as they famously did with the 480).

Power viruses not withstanding, do you have proof of a 480 drawing more than 250 watts continuous?

 

[Ajay]

I think I'm going to avoid V&G for a while. This is ridiculous. New posters and old posters can't seem to behave themselves and act like adults.

There are 3 fanboy or troll posts for every 1 good one.

You may be sitting out of V&G for a while then, though the "silly season" is particular bad around new product launches.

 

[Skurge]

You may be sitting out of V&G for a while then, though the "silly season" is particular bad around new product launches.

I don't remember it ever being this bad. I was around for the GT200/4800 launch till now and it's never been this bad. I'll just play some ME3.

 

[maddie]

I think I'm going to avoid V&G for a while. This is ridiculous. New posters and old posters can't seem to behave themselves and act like adults.

There are 3 fanboy or troll posts for every 1 good one.

Do you suspect that might be the intention of some 'over the top' posters? Destroying this forum.

 

[Ajay]

Power viruses not withstanding, do you have proof of a 480 drawing more than 250 watts continuous?

Not at the moment. I just recall NV pressuring AIB partners not to list 300 watts as the max power draw when they differed with NV over the actual TDP.

 

[MrK6]

Not at the moment. I just recall NV pressuring AIB partners not to list 300 watts as the max power draw when they differed with NV over the actual TDP.

It wouldn't matter, TDP concerns maximal power dissipation, not an average. The loophole is that there are no regulations for TDP reporting by vendors, so some vendors will shift numbers or criteria to report their parts in the best light possible.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Sorry, what?

With our test stand , it is possible for us, instead of the entire test system, only the power consumption of each video card to measure. This is the Zotac GTX 480 AMP! Edition at around 45W in idle and 279W under Windows Vista with Furmark. In Heaven DirectX11 be requested under 224W. The specifications of NVIDIA 250W are still with us always exceeded, with the overclocked Zotac also comes along. When playing a movie 81W are due. TestStand: Power Zotac GTX 480 AMP! Edition

http://www.technic3d.com/review/grafikkarten/1131-zotac-gtx-480-amp-edition-im-test/17.htm


Pretty sure this is why Nvidia refreshed with a new name so quickly, the taint that was the original reviews couldn't be swept away without a name change.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Balla this would make a perfect avatar for you.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Balla this would make a perfect avatar for you.

Shop in a couple defibrillator paddles and you'd have won the internet sir.

 

[blastingcap]

Balla this would make a perfect avatar for you.

Wouldn't he need two of them, in SLI?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I think his point was more to the fact that the original cards are now considered a dead topic, but I'm not beating a dead horse it's more like resuscitation.