GTX680 pics

[GaiaHunter]

I feel some of you just have too low standards and are content with anything the companies are putting in your lap and taking your hard earned money for. Sad.

One doesn't have to buy if the product isn't a compelling upgrade.

That has nothing to do with the fact that the GTX680, if it is faster than the GTX580 will be NVIDIA high-end (until something else shows up) and if it also sells for $500+ it is clearly high-end price as well.

If what you are trying to say is now upgrades give less increase for the same money, seems like it.

But you also have to factor that it also keeps requiring more resources to get that performance and that our money is worth less.

 

[tincart]

Why do you insist on making it about absolute performance, only? If you had an increase of just 5% each generation, would that be high end? We need to view these parts in relation to the older parts.

Since 2006 every generation (at least from Nvidia) brought a 60% performance increase over the fastest card. Now if you suddenly leave out the big chip you're telling me you're missing nothing in the lineup? A card with a 384bit interface, 3GB VRAM that beats the GTX580 by 60, better 70%. GK104 isn't that card.

You're contradicting yourself. In the second paragraph, you seem to be claiming that we should expect a new high-end card to bring the same performance improvements as previous high-end cards.

If you had a 5% performance improvement each generation, that would be the standard historical number for improvement per generation, thus you have a new high-end card.

Whichever number you want to set for the % improvement is entirely arbitrary. From what you've posted so far, all I can gather is that 30% is not a new-high end and 60% is. What you're telling me about is your personal consumer preference, not what "high end" is.

 

[SirPauly]

You're contradicting yourself. In the second paragraph, you seem to be claiming that we should expect a new high-end card to bring the same performance improvements as previous high-end cards.

If you had a 5% performance improvement each generation, that would be the standard historical number for improvement per generation, thus you have a new high-end card.

Whichever number you want to set for the % improvement is entirely arbitrary. From what you've posted so far, all I can gather is that 30% is not a new-high end and 60% is. What you're telling me about is your personal consumer preference, not what "high end" is.

He was offering history as an example.

 

[SirPauly]

and for only $300.00 per most of the rumors - or do those rumors don't count any more? or has the 30% faster than the 7970 the rumor of the day? @ $550.00 now ok?
-so it was = for $300.00 = to a 7970 most games
- so now it's +30% faster in most games than a7970 with a 82% rumor price driff .[$550]and it's now it's a killer card lol.

My post never mentioned anything about price but size of the chip.

There was one person that I know of that offered 299 for a price and that was Charlie. What I would like is strong price/performance considering it is a substantial and significant node and arch change.

Let's say it is 549 -- still would be weak price/performance and only 50 percent difference in performance than a GTX 580 and yet raising pricing by 10 percent, imho.

I would like to see around 399.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Is there only one card releasing that is only a few percent faster than the 580?

If not, is the 670 going to be slower than last gens 580 or simply on par with it like the 7950?

lol if that's true this is probably the worst generation of graphics cards ever.

 

[GaiaHunter]

He was offering history as an example.

Sure, but going from 1 to 2 isn't the same as going from 100 to 200.

We could go back a couple more years and soon we couldn't just even talk about performance differences since the IQ alone would be crazy.

 

[-Slacker-]

The fastest single gpu on the market is a high end part, unless maybe the overall build quality is severely crippled somehow (hasn't really happened in either AMD's or nVidia's case.). Why is this concept so confusing to so many people? What else would performance tiers be measured in if not performance? The cover art on the box?

 

[tviceman]

Is there only one card releasing that is only a few percent faster than the 580?

If not, is the 670 going to be slower than last gens 580 or simply on par with it like the 7950?

lol if that's true this is probably the worst generation of graphics cards ever.

Well if the gtx680 ends up being ~10% faster than the hd7970, for the gtx670 (or whatever the next model down is called) to be SLOWER than the gtx580 would be a BIG drop in performance. I doubt it will be slower.

 

[Tempered81]

680 Listed for pre-order in Holland

ZOTAC GTX680 2GB DDR5 256 bit 1006 6008HDCP Dual DVI HDMI DP
€ 607, 59
Bron: Factoryprices - ZOTAC GTX680 2GB DDR5 256 bit 1006 6008HDCP Dual DVI HDMI DP - ZT-60101-10P - Zotac

Url: http://www.factoryprices.nl/product_info_new.php?products_id=111ZTC-ZT-60101-10P


Poster at xs forums says 7970's cost about 550-600 Euros, same price as they are in dollars in USA.

 

[SirPauly]

Sure, but going from 1 to 2 isn't the same as going from 100 to 200.

We could go back a couple more years and soon we couldn't just even talk about performance differences since the IQ alone would be crazy.

You can go back to the introduction of discrete GPU's from a historical point-of-view.

 

[SirPauly]

680 Listed for pre-order in Holland

ZOTAC GTX680 2GB DDR5 256 bit 1006 6008HDCP Dual DVI HDMI DP
€ 607, 59
Bron: Factoryprices - ZOTAC GTX680 2GB DDR5 256 bit 1006 6008HDCP Dual DVI HDMI DP - ZT-60101-10P - Zotac

Url: http://www.factoryprices.nl/product_info_new.php?products_id=111ZTC-ZT-60101-10P


Poster at xs forums says 7970's cost about 550-600 Euros, same price as they are in dollars in USA.

It seems AMD and nVidia are on the same page.

 

[railven]

It seems AMD and nVidia are on the same page.

Price fixing anyone?

Go Premiums!

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Glad to see someone people still have common sense around here

The concept that a card needs to be x% faster than previous gen to be high end is ridiculous... If its the fastest, its the high end, its that simple

Thats like saying the 480 wasnt high end either because it had disabled parts and the "true" fermi only released much later

Everyone is assuming Nvidia will still release a 500+mm2 part later on, but what if they dont? AMD hasnt released something like that since the R600 (which was a failure, so no wonder), which by the logic of some people here, means AMD has never had a high end card in the last 5 years

Personally I think what Nvidia is doing with kepler is way more impressive than yet another huge chip that needs a nuclear plant etc, I really didnt expect them to beat AMD at perf/watt

 

[skipsneeky2]

Hope this gtx680 is much faster then a 7970 and not only 10% as the 7970 is making a name for itself as one hell of a legendary overclocker.

 

[SirPauly]

This may be disappointing for consumers that like strong price/performance. With all this strong defense of premium pricing from posters -- can't blame the IHV's, hehe!

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I guess I can't get a good upgrade from this 2 year old gtx 480 for less than $550 this gen. Oh well. It's not like I have $500 to blow anyways.

 

[SirPauly]

The concept that a card needs to be x% faster than previous gen to be high end is ridiculous... If its the fastest, its the high end, its that simple

History would disagree with you.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

This may be disappointing for consumers that like strong price/performance. With all this strong defense of premium pricing from posters -- can't blame the IHV's, hehe!

I'll have to disagree. In fact a tight ass like myself is happy. My 2 year old gtx 480 is still a high end card and best of all it's paid for. Price/performance can't get any better than running your old card till the wheels fall off.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

History would disagree with you.

It's really a matter of opinion. Some might be happy with a small performance increase coupled with better power consumption. Others like myself want more performance for the dollar. If they are happy paying "premiums" then let em. No sweat off my back.

 

[railven]

I'll have to disagree. In fact a tight ass like myself is happy. My 2 year old gtx 480 is still a high end card and best of all it's paid for. Price/performance can't get any better than running your old card till the wheels fall off.

Wow, Oil saying something I can agree with .

These new trends are only hurting those guys on the top (or clearly holding stock) who upgrade every revision. Those of us that don't and can hold on/out are fine

 

[SirPauly]

I'll have to disagree. In fact a tight ass like myself is happy. My 2 year old gtx 480 is still a high end card and best of all it's paid for. Price/performance can't get any better than running your old card till the wheels fall off.

The difference in performance difference with GTX 480 and a GTX 285 was around 63 percent to 133 percent -- 1920 x 1080 x4/x8 aa to 2560 x 1600 x4/x8aa -- because there was a new arch and node --- and this still wasn't their high end chip with the architecture, based on this site's findings.

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/...480/21/#abschnitt_performancerating_qualitaet

My context is new node and arch.

 

[railven]

The difference in performance difference with GTX 480 and a GTX 285 was around 63 percent to 133 percent -- 1920 x 1080 x4/x8 aa to 2560 x 1600 x4/x8aa -- because there was a new arch and node --- and this still wasn't their high end chip with the architecture, based on this site's findings.

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/...480/21/#abschnitt_performancerating_qualitaet

My context is new node and arch.

That horse is dead bro. You'd figure by now someone would care. Those that do aren't happy, go rally them, majority don't seem to care.

I got a 60% perf increase and if I OC a bit I can easily get 110%

I am the victor!

EDIT: Oh yeah, Go Premiums!

 

[SirPauly]

There are many consumers that care about strong price/performance. Many more than a few posters that care about premiums with incremental performance upgrades.

 

[railven]

There are many consumers that care about strong price/performance. Many more than a few posters that care about premiums with incremental performance upgrades.

Well aware of that. They'll speak with their wallets.

As we all do. But that horse, at least on this forum, has been beaten - and well. All I was saying

Go Premiums!

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I don't even care about price/performance right now, because the prices will be too high regardless. However like we typically see, and what is occurring right now, is massive price drops and fire sales on the previous gen products. That's when I'd be interested in buying.

I like what the 7970 is bringing, the 50%+ overclocks would make me feel right at home coming from cards that do the same. But I would like to see a bit more, and I would want two cards and have triple screens so it kind of rules out AMD as they have really bad driver problems in CF and screen tearing with multiple screens.