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SirPauly

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It's really a matter of opinion. Some might be happy with a small performance increase coupled with better power consumption. Others like myself want more performance for the dollar. If they are happy paying "premiums" then let em. No sweat off my back.

Imho,

Sure, but the key is when the high end on a new node and arch isn't redefined strongly from a performance/value point-of-view translates into the entire architecture family itself not offering redefined performance/value and all sku's offering more incremental performance upgrades.

It is what it is but, for me, certainly nothing to defend and a poor precedent for future pricing. Consumers desire performance - have to pay premiums across the board for it.

What can one do? Just deal with it.
 
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There are many consumers that care about strong price/performance. Many more than a few posters that care about premiums with incremental performance upgrades.

Your words are falling on deaf ears. I agree with you 100% and will vote with my wallet which is the only option we have left. 7970 was priced at $550 and have sold fairly well. Nvidia would be stupid to have an equivalent card and sell it for less than the market will bare. Now its either just suck up the notoriously bad price/performance that this gen is offering or just use the card you have. I'm choosing the latter. My gtx 480 is still very relevant and best off all it is paid for.
 

railven

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Imho,

Sure, but the key is when the high end on a new node and arch isn't redefined strongly from a performance/value point-of-view translates into the entire architecture family itself not offering redefined performance/value and all sku's offering more incremental performance upgrades.

It is what it is but, for me, certainly nothing to defend and a poor precedent for future pricing. Consumers desire performance - have to pay premiums across the board for it.

What can one do? Just deal with it.

I have a question(s) for - so far the people I've asked, they never actually answered. I know you think I'm all "Go Premiums! " - if you haven't noticed I say that sarcastically haha.

Anyways, how do you feel that the top end GPU didn't see a price cut (that being the GTX 580) from inception until it was beaten (and even then it wasn't until a few weeks after?) Would you not say that is not a normal trend, at least in the world of electronics?

Where would you have priced the HD 7970? Would you have priced it under the GTX 580?

Wouldn't in a normal scenario that has played out through history be that the top card would see price cuts, in the $50-100 range (I can't think of any card that still sold for MSRP when a rival launched their successor) so if that trend occured as it should have, wouldn't we have seen a better perf/price ratio?
 

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Hope this gtx680 is much faster then a 7970 and not only 10% as the 7970 is making a name for itself as one hell of a legendary overclocker.

If Nvidia's benchmark's are showing that it's 10% faster then it's likely to be no faster than a 7970 and probably slower in a lot of cases. Remember that AMD's figures for the 7970 had it some ~40-50% faster than a GTX580 but most reviews have it at a lot less than that.
 

skipsneeky2

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I do feel the video card industry with their pricing and possibly price matching on the high end may reflect a certain new attitude of pay if you wanna play,i doubt they wanna offer bargains and deals.

This isn't a car or a mortgage on a house,your not buying a new v8 gt500 mustang for the price of the v6 base model cause someone feels its overpriced,people pay premiums for stuff all the time,i feel they wanna play that same exact game,that's why they offer multiple models at each respective price point.
 

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Graphs above are interesting for a few reasons:

(1) shows clock-for-clock improvement in GTX680 vs. 580 as 2-5%. Thus it has triple the shaders but each one is about 1/3 as efficient.

(2) nVidia is going to clock this thing like crazy to set it apart from both the 580 and the 7970.

(3) AMD was f'ing with its customers by releasing a 7970 at 925MHz. It could easily have released one at 1GHz, but it didn't do so, because it will instead release a higher-priced card at 1100MHz or so. Maybe a 7990 for $600, slotting nicely just above the 680 in price?
 

railven

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Oh it was only one giant image? Anyways, I find it hard to believe results that don't correspond with majority of reviews I read. The HD 7970 is a lot cooler running than the GTX 580. Puts all the other results (since some are so close) into question.
 

BallaTheFeared

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Oh it was only one giant image? Anyways, I find it hard to believe results that don't correspond with majority of reviews I read. The HD 7970 is a lot cooler running than the GTX 580. Puts all the other results (since some are so close) into question.

Eh?

Thought you said quieter. It's about 10C cooler than the 580 and 5 dB louder, according to Anand.
 
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skipsneeky2

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Graphs above are interesting for a few reasons:

(1) shows clock-for-clock improvement in GTX680 vs. 580 as 2-5%. Thus it has triple the shaders but each one is about 1/3 as efficient.

(2) nVidia is going to clock this thing like crazy to set it apart from both the 580 and the 7970.

(3) AMD was f'ing with its customers by releasing a 7970 at 925MHz. It could easily have released one at 1GHz, but it didn't do so, because it will instead release a higher-priced card at 1100MHz or so. Maybe a 7990 for $600, slotting nicely just above the 680 in price?

Is there not a single 7970 that can't even hit 1200 core?

I am a novice overclocker at best,5 minutes of random googling of forum threads of overclocks on the 7970 and i apply a 1.86v on my card pulling a stable 1200/1600 that is still rocking,i had other cards that absolutely just wouldn't play nice without giving a fit.

A idiot could overclock a 7970 to at least 1,100/1375 :awe:
 

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If these are accurate this is what I had been expecting; the 680 is a bit faster in games nvidia always does well in and probably slower or close to parity on most games, compared to the 7970.

And it costs the same. Gooo premiums. Question now is whether the 1000core clock rumour is true and how much headroom that leaves on the table to overclock the 680.

If the 7970 and the 680 are indeed so close in performance, it's going to come down to price and OC headroom if you are vendor agnostic.

Guess there is no $300 flagship coming, I was darn near certain nvidia had my back and was going to reward me a 7970 class card for $300. Can't believe they are not hooking me up.
 

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According to the review: turbo boost is 1.1ghz application specific, bf3 and uni. It comes with Nvidia adaptive v-sync. Capable of 4 monitors or Nvidia 3d Vision surround 3 display on 1 card. faster than 7970, $559, runs cool. 294mm2, 3.54 billion tranny, 195watt.

beats amd on performance per watt and performance per mm2

New aa method is called Nvidia TXAA. Authors opinion is 7900 should go from 550 to $350.

googlish:

"Launched a new "Kepler," GPU microarchitecture, using 28nm process by TSMC "GK104" graphics core to make the opposite. Click. The first models will be "GeForce GTX 680, the number of new the SMX's CUDA Core, up to 1536, and joined a large number of Fixed the Function of the Hardware Block for TDP with the new GPU Boost technology to enhance the efficiency of Rasterization, the Shading, texturing, and the inventor of the GPU, the Compute The power to make dynamic overclocking, what the new "The GeForce GTX 680" Can beat "Radeon HD 7 970", become the overlord of the new generation of high-end graphics card?


Practical function open: new antialiasing technology TXAA

In addition to the graphics performance, NVIDIA also for the needs of gamers, add a number of new and useful features for a new generation of the GeForce GTX 680, released a new anti-aliasing technology TXAA, a new generation of hardware rendering anti-aliasing technology, actually belongs to the old MSAA's enhanced version provides better anti-aliasing I can reduce the open antialiasing fluency decline, for the time being belonging to the GeForce GTX 680 unique anti-aliasing, but NVIDIA said that the above will be open at a later time to the GeForce GTX 500 or Model.

TXAA temporarily can be divided into two levels: TXAA 1 and TXAA, the former costs only 2x the MSAA similar, but the MSAA is better than the 8x anti-aliasing; As for TXAA 2 effect is more outstanding, but the cost only similar with 4x MSAA. TXAA game itself support to be open to use, support TXAA variety of games will be held during the year stage, although present, failed to test its real performance, but based on the NVIDIA official photos can be seen, antialiasing does, it is worth looking forward to.

In addition to the new TXAA Antialiasing, NVIDIA is also an existing graphics card users to bring good news, the introduction of the original few games before the corresponding FXAA to the NVIDIA Control Panel, users can easily turn the feature on. lead to better anti-aliasing for different games, and enhance the quality of the game screen.


TXAA provide better anti-aliasing for images I can reduce the performance degradation brought about by the anti-aliasing. (Can enlarge)

NVIDIA has FXAA introduced to the NVIDIA Control Panel within convenient to open home.

New Adaptive VSync technology

NVIDIA, on the other hand, made for the actual operation of fluency of the game is optimized and to promote the new Adaptive VSync VSync setting are gamers, open the main purpose is to reduce the graphics card output image is generated in different fps too fast or too slow situations, and the output frame rate is locked in with the mainstream display screen 60fps. However, the image of the actual output of the graphics card will still be due to different scenes within the game for differences between the actual output fps lower than 60fps fps, will be directly reduced to 30 below 30fps is reduced to 20fps.

In fact, such cases are quite common, and convert 60fps to 30fps of the screen will significantly slow the beating, which greatly affect the fluency of the game, the new Adaptive VSync just solve the problem, when the Adaptive VSync enabled, the system automatically detection of the actual operation fps than 60 VSync will open a locked 60fps output frames, such as less than 60 will be automatically VSync turn off and running to the actual output frames to reduce all of a sudden dropped to 30fps from 60fps is the emergence of slow beat, can be very useful.


Adaptive VSync solve the traditional VSync problem dropped to 30fps, 60fps, slow beat.

Adaptive VSync has been added to the NVIDIA Control Panel within.

NVIDIA 3D Vision Surround support single-card three-screen output

For the practical application of the full range of the GeForce GTX, 500 series or the previous product, the core of integrated video signals, limiting the single a graphics card can only output up to a maximum of two screens, three-screen output to be run in SLI mode. flexibility weaker than rival AMD Eyefinity, but in order to combat AMD Eyefinity technology, NVIDIA is also a lack of existing products to enhance the flexibility of the multi-screen applications.

GeForce GTX 680 graphics cards support single card with two DVI and one HDMI output of the three-screen and 3D Vision's way to reach the NVIDIA 3D Vision Surround restrictions without the use of DisplayPort, flexibility even more than the AMD is better The DisplayPort interface, of course, users can also connect an additional display to the graphics card, four-screen output to the "3 +1" program, a single card."
 

SirPauly

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I have a question(s) for - so far the people I've asked, they never actually answered. I know you think I'm all "Go Premiums! " - if you haven't noticed I say that sarcastically haha.

Anyways, how do you feel that the top end GPU didn't see a price cut (that being the GTX 580) from inception until it was beaten (and even then it wasn't until a few weeks after?) Would you not say that is not a normal trend, at least in the world of electronics?

Where would you have priced the HD 7970? Would you have priced it under the GTX 580?

Wouldn't in a normal scenario that has played out through history be that the top card would see price cuts, in the $50-100 range (I can't think of any card that still sold for MSRP when a rival launched their successor) so if that trend occured as it should have, wouldn't we have seen a better perf/price ratio?

I think the GTX 580 was already over-priced, heavy premium and is going on 14 months old. Certainly, to me, isn't the objective pricing barometer.

But from an IHV point of view, maximize revenue, supply and demand, what the market may bring, what the competition offers. Can't blame AMD or nVidia -- they have to take care themselves -- if they're consumers that are willing to pay and if they're not -- reduce pricing.

In any case, at least there is more choice than the GTX 580 and the enthusiast price-points and in that context, still very welcomed.
 

SirPauly

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According to the review: turbo boost is 1.1ghz application specific, bf3 and uni. It comes with Nvidia adaptive v-sync. Capable of 4 monitors or Nvidia 3d Vision surround 3 display on 1 card. faster than 7970, $559, runs cool. 294mm2, 3.54 billion tranny, 195watt.

beats amd on performance per watt and performance per mm2

New aa method is called Nvidia TXAA. Authors opinion is 7900 should go from 550 to $350.

googlish:

"Launched a new "Kepler," GPU microarchitecture, using 28nm process by TSMC "GK104" graphics core to make the opposite. Click. The first models will be "GeForce GTX 680, the number of new the SMX's CUDA Core, up to 1536, and joined a large number of Fixed the Function of the Hardware Block for TDP with the new GPU Boost technology to enhance the efficiency of Rasterization, the Shading, texturing, and the inventor of the GPU, the Compute The power to make dynamic overclocking, what the new "The GeForce GTX 680" Can beat "Radeon HD 7 970", become the overlord of the new generation of high-end graphics card?


Practical function open: new antialiasing technology TXAA

In addition to the graphics performance, NVIDIA also for the needs of gamers, add a number of new and useful features for a new generation of the GeForce GTX 680, released a new anti-aliasing technology TXAA, a new generation of hardware rendering anti-aliasing technology, actually belongs to the old MSAA's enhanced version provides better anti-aliasing I can reduce the open antialiasing fluency decline, for the time being belonging to the GeForce GTX 680 unique anti-aliasing, but NVIDIA said that the above will be open at a later time to the GeForce GTX 500 or Model.

TXAA temporarily can be divided into two levels: TXAA 1 and TXAA, the former costs only 2x the MSAA similar, but the MSAA is better than the 8x anti-aliasing; As for TXAA 2 effect is more outstanding, but the cost only similar with 4x MSAA. TXAA game itself support to be open to use, support TXAA variety of games will be held during the year stage, although present, failed to test its real performance, but based on the NVIDIA official photos can be seen, antialiasing does, it is worth looking forward to.

In addition to the new TXAA Antialiasing, NVIDIA is also an existing graphics card users to bring good news, the introduction of the original few games before the corresponding FXAA to the NVIDIA Control Panel, users can easily turn the feature on. lead to better anti-aliasing for different games, and enhance the quality of the game screen.


TXAA provide better anti-aliasing for images I can reduce the performance degradation brought about by the anti-aliasing. (Can enlarge)

NVIDIA has FXAA introduced to the NVIDIA Control Panel within convenient to open home.

New Adaptive VSync technology

NVIDIA, on the other hand, made for the actual operation of fluency of the game is optimized and to promote the new Adaptive VSync VSync setting are gamers, open the main purpose is to reduce the graphics card output image is generated in different fps too fast or too slow situations, and the output frame rate is locked in with the mainstream display screen 60fps. However, the image of the actual output of the graphics card will still be due to different scenes within the game for differences between the actual output fps lower than 60fps fps, will be directly reduced to 30 below 30fps is reduced to 20fps.

In fact, such cases are quite common, and convert 60fps to 30fps of the screen will significantly slow the beating, which greatly affect the fluency of the game, the new Adaptive VSync just solve the problem, when the Adaptive VSync enabled, the system automatically detection of the actual operation fps than 60 VSync will open a locked 60fps output frames, such as less than 60 will be automatically VSync turn off and running to the actual output frames to reduce all of a sudden dropped to 30fps from 60fps is the emergence of slow beat, can be very useful.


Adaptive VSync solve the traditional VSync problem dropped to 30fps, 60fps, slow beat.

Adaptive VSync has been added to the NVIDIA Control Panel within.

NVIDIA 3D Vision Surround support single-card three-screen output

For the practical application of the full range of the GeForce GTX, 500 series or the previous product, the core of integrated video signals, limiting the single a graphics card can only output up to a maximum of two screens, three-screen output to be run in SLI mode. flexibility weaker than rival AMD Eyefinity, but in order to combat AMD Eyefinity technology, NVIDIA is also a lack of existing products to enhance the flexibility of the multi-screen applications.

GeForce GTX 680 graphics cards support single card with two DVI and one HDMI output of the three-screen and 3D Vision's way to reach the NVIDIA 3D Vision Surround restrictions without the use of DisplayPort, flexibility even more than the AMD is better The DisplayPort interface, of course, users can also connect an additional display to the graphics card, four-screen output to the "3 +1" program, a single card."

Thanks, for this.
 

railven

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I think the GTX 580 was already over-priced, heavy premium and is going on 14 months old. Certainly, to me, isn't the objective pricing barometer.

But from an IHV point of view, maximize revenue, supply and demand, what the market may bring, what the competition offers. Can't blame AMD or nVidia -- they have to take care themselves -- if they're consumers that are willing to pay and if they're not -- reduce pricing.

In any case, at least there is more choice than the GTX 580 and the enthusiast price-points and in that context, still very welcomed.

So where would you have priced the HD 7970?
 

BallaTheFeared

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$200, because I love my customers and care about their financial situation in this time of great depression.

/trollface

Right where it is, though I'd hand out rebates if Nvidia is indeed faster at the same price point two months later.
 

skipsneeky2

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$200, because I love my customers and care about their financial situation in this time of great depression.

/trollface

Right where it is, though I'd hand out rebates if Nvidia is indeed faster at the same price point two months later.

I am sure no one here is really suffering if everyone here is yakking about a possible $550-$600 product:awe:

A video card is a luxury item,its not food rent mortgage or power....its a toy and they aren't charity.
 
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