GTX700 series reviews thread

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

I suck at bingo, otherwise I'd be running a 780 right now

 

[antihelten]

If anyone is curious, 3Dcenter.org did a round up of a number of review and calculated the average performance difference against 7970GE (and 680 and Titan):

http://www.3dcenter.org/artikel/lau...launch-analyse-nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-seite-2

For 1920x1080 4xAA, across 6 reviews (HT4U, PCGH, ComputerBase, Anandtech, TPU and Techspot), the 780 is 14.7% faster than a 7970GE

For 2560x1600 4xAA, across 8 reviews (HT4U, ComputerBase, THG, Hardware Canucks, Anandtech, TPU, Tech Report and Techspot), the 780 is 14.5% faster than a 7970GE

For 5760x1080 4xAA, across 3 reviews (ComputerBase, Anandtech and TPU), the 780 is 18.3% faster than a 7970GE

 

[Rvenger]

Better than titan but still a really bad buy. It's 6 months until the true next gen cards. This really should be $400 to get people to bite. Anyone who spends $650 for the second fastest card and 6 months from the next gen cards needs their heads checked.

I already told my wife I have a problem.

 

[tviceman]

Better than titan but still a really bad buy. It's 6 months until the true next gen cards. This really should be $400 to get people to bite. Anyone who spends $650 for the second fastest card and 6 months from the next gen cards needs their heads checked.

Probably more like 9 months minimum. I doubt either company will have GPU's ready to go on 20nm by December/January.

After all that hype its only a bit faster than 7970GE,costs way more and gets destroyed in compute performance by a card released early last year.
WTF?
Looks like FAIL to me...:\

Yeah William, it's a total failure. And selling out most likely. Total clusterf*** for reelz.

Well, we all know how Will likes to play compute with his cards all day long.

 

[tviceman]

Its tiring to read Russian's post because its too logical for your brain to comprehend.

Also, the cheapest 7970 @ 1ghz is http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814150586

$359 AR.

Or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125413 straight $399.

lol two locked voltage cards and one of the worst coolers on the market "logic"!

And they're not GHZ cards. They are overclocked 7970's with slower ram. Slice it however it takes to make ya feel better Silverforce, they're binned lower than the GHZ cards (i.e. did not qualify) and have slower vram attached to them. They're NOT GHZ cards.

 

[tviceman]

Cliffs
-Essentially Blackened32 has stated that Nvidia knows what it's doing (I agree with this statement) but at the same time saying that if Nvidia dropped the price on the product they'd sell exponentially(this means profits would increase) more products and make more revenue.
-This makes no sense, so feel free to ignore the whole post as it's mostly meant to help educate him.

I agree on principle with your logic, but the other side of the coin is that if Nvidia prices more aggressively, AMD will eventually respond with lower prices and eat back into Nvidia's sales, thus negating the sales volume that would come with a lower price. In that case, the only way it could work out well with a lower starting MSRP is if more people than usual decide to upgrade their video card and still choose Nvidia despite an AMD price drop.

 

[Will Robinson]

Well...at least they have set the bar pretty low.
AMD's next gen "8970" will turn this thing into Roadkill and probably undercut its price as well.:thumbsup:

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

In the Anandtech review, which one of the game titles reflects the Unreal 3 Engine? Looking for a close match to Unreal Tournament III.

Thanks

 

[5150Joker]

Well...at least they have set the bar pretty low.
AMD's next gen "8970" will turn this thing into Roadkill and probably undercut its price as well.:thumbsup:

Now you're just trolling.

 

[Will Robinson]

I'll remind you of this post on launch day...

 

[ams23]

Now you're just trolling.

There is not much else he can really do because his most favored company will be paper launching their next gen flagship single GPU product about seven months from now at the tail end of 2013.

 

[DarkKnightDude]

Probably stick with my 7970 and wait till GTX880 or HD9000 series or whatever is coming next. There's like very few games that really tax hardware atm.

 

[tviceman]

Well...at least they have set the bar pretty low.
AMD's next gen "8970" will turn this thing into Roadkill and probably undercut its price as well.:thumbsup:

Definitely without a doubt undercut it's price. But when you say turn to roadkill, could you specify how much performance AMD's first 20nm flagship chip will have? 10%? 20%? 30%? How much faster do you think it will it be vs. the gtx780 and/or Titan? Percentages please. I'm genuinely curious to your expectations of AMD's hd8970 (or whatever their 20nm flagship card is called). I'm not going to argue or ask any other questions, I'm just curious as to what other people's realistic expectations are of AMD's first flagship 20nm chip when it comes to gaming.

 

[chimaxi83]

Definitely without a doubt undercut it's price. But when you say turn to roadkill, could you specify how much performance AMD's first 20nm flagship chip will have? 10%? 20%? 30%? How much faster do you think it will it be vs. the gtx780 and/or Titan? Percentages please. I'm genuinely curious to your expectations of AMD's hd8970 (or whatever their 20nm flagship card is called). I'm not going to argue or ask any other questions, I'm just curious as to what other people's realistic expectations are of AMD's first flagship 20nm chip when it comes to gaming.

Depends. If they go with the approximately the same die size, it might be around 10% faster than 780, match a Titan. I don't see AMD pulling out a Titan like leap over Nvidia on release of their next card. Maybe over time, with drivers, their top end will beat Titan. But yeah, if they keep with the same die size, matching Titan with their next top end is probably all that will happen.

 

[RaistlinZ]

Here's what worries me though...

The 780 is about 20% faster than the 680 and costs $650, which means the 770 will likely be a tad faster than a 680 and will likely cost around $500-550. This is hardly a better value for a new generation of cards.

 

[tviceman]

Depends. If they go with the approximately the same die size, it might be around 10% faster than 780, match a Titan. I don't see AMD pulling out a Titan like leap over Nvidia on release of their next card. Maybe over time, with drivers, their top end will beat Titan. But yeah, if they keep with the same die size, matching Titan with their next top end is probably all that will happen.

What do you think Maxwell's GM104 (GK104 successor) will perform like relative to gtx780 or Titan?

 

[hawtdawg]

I think we've reached a point where AMD and Nvidia both have refined their architectures to the point that we won't be seeing any real performance increases until node shrinks. I mean a GPU doesn't have the complexity of a CPU, there's simply not as much to refine.

 

[RussianSensation]

And they're not GHZ cards. They are overclocked 7970's with slower ram. Slice it however it takes to make ya feel better Silverforce, they're binned lower than the GHZ cards (i.e. did not qualify) and have slower vram attached to them. They're NOT GHZ cards.

As stated many times, there is a 1.05ghz MSI TF3 7970 with memory clocked just 500mhz slower. Take HD7970 GE's performance and subtract 2-3%. That card is on sale for $400. You guys keep sticking to these minor differences in the memory clock completely disregarding that HD7970 is not memory bandwidth starved, but ROP/GPU starved. The fact that it already has 1.05ghz clocks out of the box means it'll have 98% of the performance of the Ghz card.

TPU's review puts the 780 in the best light. Most other reviews have it 15-22% faster than 7970GE.

"On average we found the GeForce GTX 780 to be 24% faster than the GTX 680 and 16% faster than the Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition when measuring frame rate performance. The frame time performance was a bit different as the GeForce GTX 780 was just 12% faster than the Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition" ~ TechSpot

NV is asking $250 more for that. Even with overclocking on the 780, the price is about $100-150 too high. To me a 7970 card is not worth $400 anymore since I picked them up at $450 1 year ago. To me a 7970 today is worth $300-320 because it's now a 1.5 year old GPU. Based on that I think 780 needs to be $499 or maybe $549 tops. Instead NV threw the $499 pricing out and went to GTX280's launch price of $649.

See the way I look at it, why buy $650 28nm card 1.5 years into 28nm generation? Sure we do not know if VI will be 100% 20nm or what its pricing will be, etc., or when Maxwell will launch in 2014. However, with no next gen PC games even on the map until later this year, there is little reason to upgrade over the summer when a lot of us play summer sports, go travelling/vacation, etc. A lot of people have already beaten Tomb Raider, C3, etc. Why upgrade, just to replay those games again? I like to upgrade for fun too but after selling a 7970, it'll cost me $350 for what 20-25% more performance, maybe 40% once OC? That's decent but not great. For GTX580 owners, that's another story. For them this card is very enticing.

What 28nm generation taught me is moving forward, there is little reason to wait after NV and AMD drop their first set of cards. Once they arrive, you pay a small early adopter price premium but then your card is good to go for 2 years until the next node which brings major performance increases. Now buying the 780 entails a stop-gap solution. Maxwell 20nm $650 card may easily end up 40-50% faster than the 780. 2014 should start to see a lot more demanding games due to developers targeting PS4/Xbox One. If Maxwell is 40-50% faster than the 780, that'll be almost double the performance of my card. That's an upgrade I am looking forward to!

 

[Silverforce11]

Its hard to have a logical debate when there's people defending a massive price premium for a ~15% gain over a Ghz (or even cheaper factory OC 7970s for $359), even vs a 680 its not stellar. People like that, you cannot debate with because they've already decided, NV is the best, regardless, and they are more than eager to pay whatever NV charges.

So no matter what, Titan is awesome sauce and the 780 is pure win.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Yeah William, it's a total failure. And selling out most likely. Total clusterf*** for reelz.

Still plenty of stock at the egg. Very underwhelming card and response from the enthusiast crowd.

Bravo to those that refused to pay the absurd prices. Message sent loud and clear to nvidia.

 

[omeds]

Even with overclocking on the 780, the price is about $100-150 too high.

Right. So then $100 for better driver support, MGPU support, 3D support, and features. $50 premium for being faster than the competition and early adopters fee. A video cards value is determined by more than raw fps figures alone. Obviously people are willing to pay it.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Right. So then $100 for better driver support, MGPU support, 3D support, and features. $50 premium for being faster than the competition and early adopters fee. A video cards value is determined by more than raw fps figures alone. Obviously people are willing to pay it.

What people? Things aren't exactly flying off the shelves.

 

[24601]

To be honest, I think much of the reason many of the models are in stock is because the EVGA 780 OC ACX and the Gigabyte 780 Windforce spoiled it for the stock cooler on launch.

Usually you'd see this happen a few days after for obvious reasons but people know that these coolers will be substantially better than stock coolers for single card use.

Also we haven't seen the MSI 780 Lightning yet either, and I bet at least a few people will be waiting for that SKU with 300% power limit and the VRMs to back it up :awe:. (Don't know if it will come or not, the EVGA 780 ACX and Gigabyte 780 Windforce are both brand new custom coolers with far higher TDP dissipation capability than their old custom solutions that I doubt the Twin Frozer 4 would stand a chance against them)

 

[blackened23]

Also we haven't seen the MSI 780 Lightning yet either, and I bet at least a few people will be waiting for that SKU with 300% power limit and the VRMs to back it up :awe:.

Sadly, doesn't look like it (MSI lightning 780) is going to happen - from what I've read at some other forums, all GK110 aftermarket boards are limited to +37 more voltage higher than reference. Although they *can* specify different parameters for GPU boost which can result in longer boosts, which is why the WF3 GTX 780 is outperforming the stock Titan. So with this being the case, and the Lightning series always revolving around a substantially better than reference PCB - I don't think it will happen with the 780.

However, The rumor is that the GTX 770 will have more flexibility in terms of voltage, though - apparently the GTX 680 lightning is being rebadged as the 770 lightning. So it seems that over voltage 770s will be a thing.

 

[Gikaseixas]

If anyone is curious, 3Dcenter.org did a round up of a number of review and calculated the average performance difference against 7970GE (and 680 and Titan):

http://www.3dcenter.org/artikel/lau...launch-analyse-nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-seite-2

For 1920x1080 4xAA, across 6 reviews (HT4U, PCGH, ComputerBase, Anandtech, TPU and Techspot), the 780 is 14.7% faster than a 7970GE

For 2560x1600 4xAA, across 8 reviews (HT4U, ComputerBase, THG, Hardware Canucks, Anandtech, TPU, Tech Report and Techspot), the 780 is 14.5% faster than a 7970GE

For 5760x1080 4xAA, across 3 reviews (ComputerBase, Anandtech and TPU), the 780 is 18.3% faster than a 7970GE

Thanks for the link. 13-16% faster than my cards
Will pass this one.