@RS - The thing about your posts is that by large you force your own "standards" of purchasing video cards as the de-facto standard. You have to understand that not all people look at from a "performance/price" perspective, and even if they did, some are bound to look at it differently. This actually applies to everything and hence why theres a high end market for nearly everything.
I am not imposing any of my standards. I provided at least 3 reviews that all show that Titan OC cannot outperform GTX780 OC by more than 3-4%. I am sorry that you cannot accept real world performance measurements of professional websites at face value and instead have correlated this to mean my opinion. My opinion is rather based on tested real world performance characteristics of GTX780 OC vs. Titan OC. In 2 out of 3 of those reviews, the Titan
loses. If you read specifically why this happens, it is because the Titan reaches its TDP maximum a lot quicker, thus limiting its maximum GPU clock speed.
To you its a waste of money, but for Titan owners it may not have been. Fact is that they own the fastest single GPU video card atm and I can't see how they "wasted" their money when they could afford one in the first place.
Ok sure, if you make XXXX dollars a day, then sure spending $350 more for negative to +3-4% increase in performance on a Titan OC may be worth it to you than GTX780 OC. At the same time, anyone who is loaded in real life to the extent that spending $350 for 3-4% more performance means nothing to them likely has no time to spend on forums such as AT. I find it interesting that this generation when NV prices cards extremely high and granted that GTX780 is 'tremendous' value against the Titan, you still defend the Titan's price. Just because someone can easily afford a $1,000 GPU, it doesn't mean that it's not a waste of $. I bet you people who are successful in life don't spend 54% more money for a 3-4% advantage in anything they do in life unless they have an oil well in their backyard.
Its all a matter of personal choice, which if I remember correctly, adamk47 said it the best.
That's great that they have that choice. However, with that logic, what's next $3000-5000-10000 GPUs? Let's say I make $10 million a year, well then for me I can afford $50,000 Titan and not care. What's your point that NV/AMD can price their flagship cards as high as possible? Fact of the matter is the Titan is a special card appealing to users who need DP. For gamers, it is one of the most overpriced cards ever made, by any metric. Even 8800GTX Ultra wasn't this bad.
I hope you understand this instead of blasting at others who purchased with their own money on items that they deem valuable.
Everyone's perception of value is different. Put it this way then, if you think $350 extra for 3-4% performance increase is a good deal, then going from GTX580 to GTX780 at 1080p (
64% increase in performance) should be worth
$5,600 USD. ($350 / 4% * 64%).
Well then, I guess if someone is willing to accept $350 more for a 4% increase in performance, more power to them. :thumbsup::thumbsup:
These people better not complain ever when AMD/NV continue to raise prices indefinitely for flagship GPUs. I guess if some of you start comparing videogaming to professional sports such as mountain climbing, F1 racing, sailing, then $1,000 GPUs that are 3-4% faster than $650 GPUs are a good deal. I can't really relate to that. Even if I made $1 million a year, I would never pay $350 for a 3-4% increase in performance since it's a matter of principal to me. I don't want to show NV/AMD that $1,000 flagship GPUs are acceptable even if I can afford one because I think this has negative long-term consequences for the entire PC gaming industry. I want PC gaming to thrive, not see another generation where HD7970/GTX680 mid-range style cards on 20nm are $400-500.
My main point is once the market accepts $1000 for a 3-4% increase over a $650 GTX780, NV has no incentive to lower prices. That means going forward, even if top 1% of the most wealthy gamers can accept this price, the consequences of this affect the entire industry. See I'd rather see PC gaming thrive which means more affordable and faster GPUs for 99% of PC gamers. When I see PC gamers accept $1000 price for Titan for gaming (not DP), it sends a signal to NV that it's perfectly fine to charge even more for GPUs. Next thing you know GTX880 might be $850 and Titan 2 might be $1,200. I hope you understand that I am not telling people to stop buying Titan but rather that once the market starts accepting these prices, it will ultimately impact everyone else who has no desire to pay $1,000 for flagship GPUs because mid-range cards will rise from $250 to $500, etc. Mind you when NV prices 7800GTX 512MB or 8800GTX Ultra at very high price levels, most PC gamers simply laughed at those prices and NV had to lower prices /refresh those cards rather quickly. It seems more and more people are throwing price/performance out the window but in the end that means AMD/NV are going to catch on and start raising prices gen after gen to see what the market can bear. Ultimately we are the market and I am voicing my opinion against this development. That doesn't stop anyone from actually purchasing the Titan.
Again, please do not take it the wrong way. I have just seen a similar development at Hi-Fi.org where people started to pay more and more for high-end headphones and the average prices of high-end headphones skyrocketed. In the end it actually hurt the hi-fi enthusiast.