GTX700 series reviews thread

[BallaTheFeared]

Another thing I noted, this card scales exceptionally well with overclocking. http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/05/23/nvidia_geforce_gtx_780_video_card_review/7#.UZ44OJzBGCU

Yes, it should be a great card to hard mod :awe:

 

[R0H1T]

Where's the angry birds err titan owners' thread :biggrin:

 

[Face2Face]

From PCPer

This is a tough review for me. The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 isn't the fastest single GPU graphics card on the planet, the GTX Titan is. It isn't the best value in terms of frames per dollar either, that belongs to the Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition. Instead the GTX 780 sits firmly in between being the best value option and the "best" option so I find it hard to decide who should actually buy it. With a $650 price tag, it doesn't quite hit the "ludicrous" rate of the GTX Titan, GTX 690 and the HD 7990 but the price hike from the GTX 680 and the HD 7970 is not insignificant.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Hopefully they understood it was the DP that drove up their costs, and 780 owners understand it delivers performance no other card can besides a $1000 card. You aren't exactly paying for it's performance, you're paying for the fact that no other card offers it's performance.

Price/perf is a great metric, but unfortunately you need a competing card to compare and drive down prices. AMD doesn't have this, there is no competition in this market space.

 

[Cloudfire777]

Im not surprised you cant comprehend my posts when you cant spell "inefficient" How can you explain the intricacies of efficiency when you cant spell it.

Do you think anyone cares about power use when buying desktop GPU's? My next PSU will be 1000w My 7970 runs at 70c on 1125/1700 24/7. Who cares about 30w of power use?

I don`t think you are capable of understanding it.

Let me explain it easy for someone like you:

7870: Efficient. Use little power but produce a lot of FPS with as little power as possible. Heat follow power. GPU not very hot

7970: Not efficient. Use a lot more power than 7870, produce a lot of FPS too, but also use a lot of power. Like any GPU, heat follow power, GPU produce more heat than 7870.

7980: Let us assume AMD made bigger GPU based on Tahiti (7970). More cores. What do you think will happen to the die or the silicon? Think efficiency and heat.

You can`t just make a bigger die and slap on more cores if you have a horrible inefficient chip to begin with. You have to cool off that single chip too, and you can only use one fan. What you can do is overcome this problem by building a dual GPU card, spread the cores apart and have more fans to cool them off. That is what AMD did. And that is their only choice for their inefficient Tahiti. They made 7990, and if you remember their strategy plan for 2013 is have 7970 as their highest end single GPU and target Titan with dual GPU.

You see how it all fits together?

 

[Jaydip]

Yes, it should be a great card to hard mod :awe:

Nah Balla, you are forever stuck with the dark side of the force

 

[Face2Face]

Yes, it should be a great card to hard mod :awe:

Some great numbers on that overclock. With a Hard mod these cards will be beasts.... Hmmm.. :hmm:

I wonder if the new ACX cooler from EVGA will make for some better overclocking results.

 

[sontin]

Hopefully they understood it was the DP that drove up their costs, and 780 owners understand it delivers performance no other card can besides a $1000 card. You aren't exactly paying for it's performance, you're paying for the fact that no other card offers it's performance.

Price/perf is a great metric, but unfortunately you need a competing card to compare and drive down prices. AMD doesn't have this, there is no competition in this market space.

And with the GTX770 the standing of the GTX780 makes more sense than right now.

 

[Eureka]

Pricing is far too high for my wallet now, but why is it so shocking that a new, top card is going to be more expensive than 18 month old cards? Not to mention, for some people AMD might not be an option.

I'm just happy these cards are out. Hopefully we'll see a reasonable 790 so I can build my super shoebox this fall/winter.

 

[wand3r3r]

And with the GTX770 the standing of the GTX780 makes more sense than right now.

Did your boss give you some 'secret' info?

 

[Granseth]

People are really horrible in their fanboy arguing here. Not that I am that surprised, but I would hope for something better.

Personally I like the 780GTX, and as some reviews wrote, it's not a good upgrade for 680 and 7970, but for those with older generations or models further down the ladder it will bring some good performance gains.

When it comes to pricing I think it's expensive, but not like Titan and within what I would be willing to pay for a top card.

 

[moonbogg]

Nice card. $650.00 has me looking away though. That equals $1,300.00 before any tax and shipping that may apply. I only have 1 game (that I play) and I am already overkill on GPU power by about 40%.

EDIT: Do SLI 670's handle micro stutter as well as the 690 does or SLI 780s?

 

[Face2Face]

I only play @ 1080P, so this card would be a waste for me. But I still want it - As shown with an overclock this card is in upwards to 40%-50% faster than a 7970 GE stock. With a hard mod we are looking @ 10-20% on top of that?

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/05/23/nvidia_geforce_gtx_780_video_card_review/7#.UZ48tbXVBLF

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Did your boss give you some 'secret' info?

No, but when you apply the same logic for GHz > 780 it keeps going down. 7950 > GHz ; 7870 > 7950...

The question then becomes, how much performance do you want, and what are you willing to pay for it?

7950 costs 50% more than the 7870 but only offers about 20% more performance. The GHz costs 50% more than the 7950 but only offers about 7% more performance.

780 is a bit more than I'd like to pay, but it also offers performance I can only get with that card. The ratio of performance gain vs price can't be any worse than 7950 to GHz, but I still see a lot of people with GHz cards. What made those people justify GHz over the 7950?

I only play @ 1080P, so this card would be a waste for me. But I still want it - As shown with an overclock this card is in upwards to 40%-50% faster than a 7970 GE stock. With a hard mod we are looking @ 10-20% on top of that?

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/05/23/nvidia_geforce_gtx_780_video_card_review/7#.UZ48tbXVBLF

Plus AMD ate up a lot of the OC potential with GHz making it slightly faster than the 680. Even a 10% overclock is pushing 1150 which is close to your peak on air 24/7 clock speed for average cards with decent coolers.

 

[tential]

Hopefully they understood it was the DP that drove up their costs, and 780 owners understand it delivers performance no other card can besides a $1000 card. You aren't exactly paying for it's performance, you're paying for the fact that no other card offers it's performance.

Price/perf is a great metric, but unfortunately you need a competing card to compare and drive down prices. AMD doesn't have this, there is no competition in this market space.

Not to mention, even if Nvidia could sell the GTX 780 for 500, and they probably could, if they did it would canabalize the Titan sales.

Nvidia is going to just wait for AMD competition, then price the 780 and the Titan at more reasonable price points.

For now though Nvidia can't slash prices on the Titan and offer the 780 at a more reasonable price for fear of pissing off current Titan owners (a price slash now is way too soon). And it can't offer the 780 at a more reasonable price because it'd destroy Titan sales.

It just has to be priced this way.

 

[Fx1]

Hopefully they understood it was the DP that drove up their costs, and 780 owners understand it delivers performance no other card can besides a $1000 card. You aren't exactly paying for it's performance, you're paying for the fact that no other card offers it's performance.

Price/perf is a great metric, but unfortunately you need a competing card to compare and drive down prices. AMD doesn't have this, there is no competition in this market space.

How does Compute help the 780 GTX justify its price?

Can someone explain how the supercomputer chip gets owned by the 7970?

 

[f1sherman]

Simply and well said.

That's hilarious. 780 and titan hardly bring anything except the slider going waay right on the $.

It is... coming from the guy who used to chuckle at the notion of smoothness- back when 7970 looked like a dog in that department.
(anyone remembers his slower but smoother slogan ^_^ )

but now that AMD has largely fixed the issue for single GPUs, 99 percentile is the only thing worth considering

anyway too much crying as usual... high end not bringing perf/$$, well imagine that
Maybe magical 1500 MHz Tahiti could soothe some of the pain in the Red camp :ninja:

 

[wand3r3r]

No, but when you apply the same logic for GHz > 780 it keeps going down. 7950 > GHz ; 7870 > 7950...

The question then becomes, how much performance do you want, and what are you willing to pay for it?

7950 costs 50% more than the 7870 but only offers about 20% more performance. The GHz costs 50% more than the 7950 but only offers about 7% more performance.

780 is a bit more than I'd like to pay, but it also offers performance I can only get with that card. The ratio of performance gain vs price can't be any worse than 7950 to GHz, but I still see a lot of people with GHz cards. What made those people justify GHz over the 7950?

Yeah the GHz isn't exactly a spectacular value. Either 7950 or 7970 on sale and bump the clocks up. It's the highest competitor and even thought it's not a great value the 780 & titan make it appear to be a far better value. (80%+ of the performance, 60-70% of the price 7970@1050/GHz).

Anyways, sontin was claiming somehow things will change with the 770 but afaik it's just a few percent faster 680.

 

[Fx1]

I don`t think you are capable of understanding it.

Let me explain it easy for someone like you:

7870: Efficient. Use little power but produce a lot of FPS with as little power as possible. Heat follow power. GPU not very hot

7970: Not efficient. Use a lot more power than 7870, produce a lot of FPS too, but also use a lot of power. Like any GPU, heat follow power, GPU produce more heat than 7870.

7980: Let us assume AMD made bigger GPU based on Tahiti (7970). More cores. What do you think will happen to the die or the silicon? Think efficiency and heat.

You can`t just make a bigger die and slap on more cores if you have a horrible inefficient chip to begin with. You have to cool off that single chip too, and you can only use one fan. What you can do is overcome this problem by building a dual GPU card, spread the cores apart and have more fans to cool them off. That is what AMD did. And that is their only choice for their inefficient Tahiti. They made 7990, and if you remember their strategy plan for 2013 is have 7970 as their highest end single GPU and target Titan with dual GPU.

You see how it all fits together?

My 7970 runs at 70c on MAX at 1125/1700 mhz so your whole theory is WRONG.

Not hot and clocks high on stock card volts. This is with a reference cooler too.

 

[sontin]

Anyways, sontin was claiming somehow things will change with the 770 but afaik it's just a few percent faster 680.

It makes the comparision between 7970GHz and GTX780 meaningless because people will have a choice if they can't or won't afford GTX780 for $649.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

How does Compute help the 780 GTX justify its price?

How fast is Tahiti in CUDA?

You know, the language that dominates the HPC market?

OpenCL is a non factor, it's only used because it's the only way to compare and even then it's a worthless comparison.

 

[sontin]

Yeah and AMD killed OpenCL with HSA.

 

[wand3r3r]

Maybe magical 1500 MHz Tahiti could soothe some of the pain in the Red camp :ninja:

Not sure what your infatuation with team red is? Idc it's only useful to compare and show how absurd the pricing is. I don't stick with a company when they start gouging, and I'll choose the higher price/performance when I'm buying. It just happens NV is gouging at epic levels and their fanboys & shills are desperate to portray it as nothing unusual.

 

[tential]

What did people EXPECT nvidia to do?
$1000 ~ Titan
$650 ~ GTX 780
$400-450 ~ GTX 770 (GTX 680 rebranded right?)
$350 ~ GTX 760 (GTX 670 rebranded? not sure if this has been confirmed)

I really don't see any other way Nvidia could have priced their cards other than how they did.

 

[Face2Face]

I know synthetics are just synthetics, but on an interesting note my 7950 @1320/1850 is very close to a stock GTX 780. Not bad for half the price

Doesn't mean much unless i'm on water though.

3Dmark Firestrike - Graphics score

GTX 780 = 9487
HD 7950 @ 1320/1850 = 9274