GTX700 series reviews thread

[wand3r3r]

They could drop the prices back down to earth. Hopefully everyone's not brainwashed, it's raising prices for me too if you keep supporting that.

 

[AdamK47]

Any notion of how long until we'll see a 6 GB version of the GTX 780? How long after launch before the GTX 680 got the 4 GB version?

You can get the 6GB version now. It's called the Titan.

 

[Fx1]

How fast is Tahiti in CUDA?

You know, the language that dominates the HPC market?

OpenCL is a non factor, it's only used because it's the only way to compare and even then it's a worthless comparison.

I would say that given this is a consumer card CUDA is not important and openCL is more so. CUDA is Nvidia's own so its going to be better at it.

This is why people can bitcoin mine with AMD and not Nvidia. Consumers will mine.

I think people forget that Pro card features are useless for consumers. Who wants to pay for CUDA when they want to game/mine

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Firestrike isn't a good bench for Nvidia for some reason, maybe it's because the new 3DMark isn't very popular because it sucks unless you buy it.

 

[f1sherman]

Not sure what your infatuation with team red is? Idc it's only useful to compare and show how absurd the pricing is. I don't stick with a company when they start gouging, and I'll choose the higher price/performance when I'm buying. It just happens NV is gouging at epic levels and their fanboys & shills are desperate to portray it as nothing unusual.

You think I am happy about GK110 pricing? Well I am, because it provides tons of fun, all the yummy tears being spilt etc...
But thats not the point.

OTOH GTX 780 for $500? Hell...let me know where do I sign.
But you do realize that Tahiti/XT with 4 AAA games going for $250-350 would put AMD in even more pain, right?

 

[Eureka]

What did people EXPECT nvidia to do?
$1000 ~ Titan
$650 ~ GTX 780
$400-450 ~ GTX 770 (GTX 680 rebranded right?)
$350 ~ GTX 760 (GTX 670 rebranded? not sure if this has been confirmed)

I really don't see any other way Nvidia could have priced their cards other than how they did.

I was hoping Nvidia wouldn't gouge prices, at $650 it's just ridiculous.

I still haven't kept a card I bought for over $300 (sold my 7970 and 680).

That being said, everyone keeps going on about price/perf here. However, if you go elsewhere, it's about perf and features. When you play competitively, price/perf doesn't matter if you don't have the perf.

I'm beginning to understand why AMD isn't as favorable as Nvidia for competitive gamers. One, it doesn't have lightboost. Secondly, less microstutter when running SLI (which is needed for 144 Hz gaming). Therein lies the reason why AMD can't gain foothold. The top gamers do need the extra advantages. And most everyone else just follow the top gamers because they want to play as well too.

The rest of us here at ATVC&G just can't justify spending $3000 on a system.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I would say that given this is a consumer card CUDA is not important and openCL is more so. CUDA is Nvidia's own so its going to be better.

This is why people can bitcoin mine with AMD and not Nvidia. Consumers will mine.

I think people forget that Pro card features are useless for consumers. Who wants to pay for CUDA when they want to game/mine

Well you'd be wrong, just like you were wrong about Titan which is selling incredibly well for a 1K card.

AMD can't even run CUDA so of course it's going to be "better"

You can mine with Nvidia, it's just not as fast because of how the code was written which is SP anyways.

I think people who can use CUDA would laugh at mining, $2.50 a day is what you get mining per card, what do you think people who code in CUDA can make a day buddy?

 

[SirPauly]

The competition for AMD products are GK-104 based to me -- GK-110 are in a class of their own.

 

[Face2Face]

Firestrike isn't a good bench for Nvidia for some reason, maybe it's because the new 3DMark isn't very popular because it sucks unless you buy it.

:biggrin: Yes it does suck for that reason. There is about a 400 point difference in 3Dmark 11, using the same numbers.

 

[tential]

I was hoping Nvidia wouldn't gouge prices, at $650 it's just ridiculous.

I still haven't kept a card I bought for over $300 (sold my 7970 and 680).

That being said, everyone keeps going on about price/perf here. However, if you go elsewhere, it's about perf and features. When you play competitively, price/perf doesn't matter if you don't have the perf.

I'm beginning to understand why AMD isn't as favorable as Nvidia for competitive gamers. One, it doesn't have lightboost. Secondly, less microstutter when running SLI (which is needed for 144 Hz gaming). Therein lies the reason why AMD can't gain foothold. The top gamers do need the extra advantages. And most everyone else just follow the top gamers because they want to play as well too.

The rest of us here at ATVC&G just can't justify spending $3000 on a system.

Ok, I know you were hoping that, but again, what did you EXPECT them to do given that post. Any lower on the 780, and it tumbles the Titan completely. Any higher, and people will opt for the Titan. What choice do they have?

And I agree with you completely. Price to performance doesn't mean anything without the performance. The 7970 offers better price to performance, it'll probably be the card I end up buying. But for a person in the market for an even better performing card they only have two options. The GTX 780, and the Titan. I dunno why everyone is arguing it's quite obvious that Titan and GTX 780 offer better absolute performance if you want it, and the 7970 offers the best price to performance. When AMD offers better performing cards, there will be competition to the GTX 780 and the Titan (assuming AMD wants to compete there as well), and pricing competition will start.

 

[Ravynmagi]

What did people EXPECT nvidia to do?
$1000 ~ Titan
$650 ~ GTX 780
$400-450 ~ GTX 770 (GTX 680 rebranded right?)
$350 ~ GTX 760 (GTX 670 rebranded? not sure if this has been confirmed)

I really don't see any other way Nvidia could have priced their cards other than how they did.

They should have priced the Titan at $750 or something, and the GTX 780 at $500. The Titan is ridiculously overpriced. As they say, two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[Fx1]

I was hoping Nvidia wouldn't gouge prices, at $650 it's just ridiculous.

I still haven't kept a card I bought for over $300 (sold my 7970 and 680).

That being said, everyone keeps going on about price/perf here. However, if you go elsewhere, it's about perf and features. When you play competitively, price/perf doesn't matter if you don't have the perf.

I'm beginning to understand why AMD isn't as favorable as Nvidia for competitive gamers. One, it doesn't have lightboost. Secondly, less microstutter when running SLI (which is needed for 144 Hz gaming). Therein lies the reason why AMD can't gain foothold. The top gamers do need the extra advantages. And most everyone else just follow the top gamers because they want to play as well too.

The rest of us here at ATVC&G just can't justify spending $3000 on a system.

Pro gaming isnt a market. Wannabe Pro maybe. I cant think of any pro games that you cant max out 250fps on a single 7970 GPU.

 

[Dribble]

Far to expensive for me - need AMD to provide better competition and force prices down. However the additional software stuff - nvidia experience and the auto video recording, that is great as it doesn't need a 780GTX.

 

[Fx1]

Well you'd be wrong, just like you were wrong about Titan which is selling incredibly well for a 1K card.

AMD can't even run CUDA so of course it's going to be "better"

You can mine with Nvidia, it's just not as fast because of how the code was written which is SP anyways.

I think people who can use CUDA would laugh at mining, $2.50 a day is what you get mining per card, what do you think people who code in CUDA can make a day buddy?

Yet again. You have no idea the Titan sales figures. Just Nvidia hyperbole.

Also what pro wants a consumer card to code for CUDA? If you make serious money you use serious tools. Not gaming cards. These people are going to be a smaller number than the "enthusiasts" dropping $1000 for a Titan.

 

[SirPauly]

If the market can't sustain its asking price, the price adjusts!

Good to see the monolith choice offered to gamers though!

 

[SirPauly]

However the additional software stuff - nvidia experience and the auto video recording, that is great as it doesn't need a 780GTX.

Indeed!

 

[raghu78]

reviewers have been measured in their accolades for GTX 780. quite a few have mentioned HD 7970 Ghz's value proposition in the GTX 780 review conclusions. That in itself is a indication that reviewers see the current pricing as unhealthy for the market, though its extremely good for Nvidia's margins.

The last time AMD were badly behind in performance was the Geforce 8800 GTX /HD 2900XT gen. The generation after that brought the most cut-throat competition and price wars ever seen between these 2 fierce competitors. Hopefully AMD can bring that kind of competition back. That would benefit all consumers in general, irrespective of which brand they prefer.

 

[Eureka]

Pro gaming isnt a market. Wannabe Pro maybe. I cant think of any pro games that you cant max out 250fps on a single 7970 GPU.

I said competitive, not pro. Pros get sponsored. OTOH, plenty of people still want to play competitively. And you can't max out BF3 on a single card, for one, without sacrificing a lot of detail.

You're also still missing lightboost on a 7970.

 

[omeds]

As expected, I had to wade through a waist deep pool of fanboy tears to find some decent discussion in this thread.

Card is a bit over priced, but results look good and seems to scale with oc better than I expected, as well as hitting decent clocks. Think I'll grab 2.

The competition for AMD products are GK-104 based to me -- GK-110 are in a class of their own.

Well said.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Yet again. You have no idea the Titan sales figures. Just Nvidia hyperbole.

Also what pro wants a consumer card to code for CUDA? If you make serious money you use serious tools. Not gaming cards. These people are going to be a smaller number than the "enthusiasts" dropping $1000 for a Titan.

Which is a lot more information than you've ever provided to the contrary.

It's called dual-purpose, want me to link the wiki?

 

[sontin]

reviewers have been measured in their accolades for GTX 780. quite a few have mentioned HD 7970 Ghz's value proposition in the GTX 780 review conclusions. That in itself is a indication that reviewers see the current pricing as unhealthy for the market, though its extremely good for Nvidia's margins.

And next week they will maybe praise the GTX770 for a much better perf/price.

The last time AMD were badly behind in performance was the Geforce 8800 GTX /HD 2900XT gen. The generation after that brought the most cut-throat competition and price wars ever seen between these 2 fierce competitors. Hopefully AMD can bring that kind of competition back. That would benefit all consumers in general, irrespective of which brand they prefer.

Only if they can increase performance up to 2x instead of 1,5x.

 

[f1sherman]

They should have priced the Titan at $750 or something. The Titan is ridiculously overpriced.

Ehmm... NO.

They should have priced it at $400.
So I can buy it for $600 in my neck of the woods.

At $750, Titan would still be ridiculously priced... for me.

 

[Aikouka]

I've been considering eventually going to a multi-monitor setup (probably 3x 1080p), but at this point, it's more or less just a thought. Although, I'd definitely need something more than my GTX 680 to drive something like that; however, I don't think even this card is really powerful enough for it given the single-card performance at 5760x1200 (3x 1920x1200) in games like Crysis. So, I'll probably just stick with my 680 for now, and wait to see if I decide to take the plunge on multi-monitor gaming.

Although, one question... I would need more than 2GB of VRAM for 3x 1080p, wouldn't I? I have one of the launch 680s, so 4GB wasn't even an option.

 

[Fx1]

I said competitive, not pro. Pros get sponsored. OTOH, plenty of people still want to play competitively. And you can't max out BF3 on a single card, for one, without sacrificing a lot of detail.

You're also still missing lightboost on a 7970.

Not even a Titan can do 120fps on BF3 at 1080p 4xAA. So 780 cant either.

Basically you can do 120fps BF3 on SLI with a 670 GTX SLI or maybe even less.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Get ready to buy. It should retail north of 650, more like $700 :whiste: