GTX700 series reviews thread

[ams23]

So if you biased NV fanboys think the 680 is as fast as Ghz ed.

The data is what it is. Driver improvements over time may have narrowed the gap so that, on average, there is not a big difference in perf. between the two.

 

[tential]

That graph makes no sense.

HD7970 1.05ghz can be bought for $400.
GTX780 costs $650.
GTX780 is 22% faster at that resolution in performance.

That means you pay 62.5% more for a 22% increase in performance on a stock 780 and 37% comparing GTX780 OC vs. a stock 7970Ghz

TPU failed hard at calculating basic mathematics and plotting it on a graph.

At ComputerBase, the performance delta is less than 20%. You can head over there to check out their price/performance graphs and it's clear as ever that HD7970Ghz destroys the GTX780 in price/performance by miles.

Next time try to look at the graph and see if it makes any sense...

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2013/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-im-test/14/

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HD7970 $549 vs. $450 GTX580 = 22% price increase for a 25% increase in performance in stock form and 50-60% in overclocked form (NV fans bitch and moan)

GTX780 $649 vs. $400 HD7970 1.05ghz = 62.5% price increase for a 22% increase in performance in stock form and 37% in overclocked form (NV fans do not scream and shout....)

This card looks good if someone is are coming from the GTX580 or comparing it to the Titan. If I had Titans, I would sell them and get 3x 780s instead.

Great catch. It's mistakes like that that make me question reviewers motives sometimes....

You'll have to explain that page to me though, I really don't read german too well.

Edit: I think it's funny how each review site agrees that the price is high (not saying it's a wrong price, I agree with NVidia's pricing and if I was them I'd do the same) and that really only hard core enthusiasts will be getting it (like people on this forum), yet people are freaking out about the price.

Is the price high? Yes.
Is the pricing wrong? No.
Is this a great price/performance product?
-Compared to Titan yes.
-Compared to the 7970? Not better.
-Does price to performance matter as much when you're in this bracket? Not really.

I like Tom's Hardware's description of the product the best:
"GeForce GTX Titan is a lot like Intel’s Core i7-3970X—a ridiculously fast piece of hardware sitting atop of a stack of alternatives that make a lot more sense. The GeForce GTX 780 is akin to Core i7-3930K. It’s the option we’d recommend to more savvy power users. Almost every bit as fast, it costs a lot less and sacrifices very little of the flagship’s feature set (FP64 performance the biggest loss)."
In short, I'd pay for the GTX 780 if I REALLY was into gaming. It's a mini Titan for $650 which is a steal IN COMPARISON TO THE TITAN. When I think about the people who yes, they're into gaming and have paid $450-$500 for graphics cards before, but when they stumble upon the GTX 780 for their next upgrade see it at $650 I think they'll skip it.
To clarify:
-Enthusiast who keeps up with hardware I definitely think will buy this. It's something to buy when there is no other choice for upgrading.
-Gamer who buys high end cards when he feels it's time to upgrade but doesn't really keep up too well with reviews and hardware? Probably not, or may even be tricked into getting a GTX 770 when they already own a GTX 680 (you know there will be a handful of morons who do this).

I'm not sure why people on here keep trying to say there is a right or wrong answer to the GTX 780. If it's for you, buy it, if it's not, don't.

 

[ICDP]

Street prices are subject to change at any time. Yes, at current street prices the GTX 680 gives more perf/$, but there are other things to consider such as build/materials quality, acoustics/temps, extra VRAM, etc.

There are plenty of good quality GTX680s or HD7970s with great coolers and build quality. Let not try to bring build quality into the equation, it will in no way make up the difference of a ~50% price premium.

 

[ICDP]

The data is what it is. Driver improvements over time may have narrowed the gap so that, on average, there is not a big difference in perf. between the two.

Agreed. Depending on drivers I have seen 7970GE anything from equal to ~12% faster on average over GTX680.

 

[96Firebird]

Agreed. Depending on drivers I have seen 7970GE anything from equal to ~12% faster on average over GTX680.

Depends on the game, resolution, AA levels, etc... Sometimes the 680 is faster, sometimes the 7970GE is faster. Overall, it is a wash.

 

[sontin]

HD7970 $549 vs. $450 GTX580 = 22% price increase for a 20-25% increase in performance in stock form and 50-60% in overclocked form (NV fans bitch and moan)

Nice try, but why we stop here:
GTX680 $499 vs $549 7970 = 10% cheaper, 6% faster and 20% with OC, using less power, have the better cooler and better drivers.

Hm. :hmm:

 

[Nate_007]

When is this card going to be released in Canada? I already have money saved up just for this card. I was going to get the Titan, but good thing I held back.

 

[Fx1]

And to think, I am the one who is mean and all I do is insult people! :whiste:

Seriously, you've gone off the deep end.

Have you seen his posts. They offer zero technical value to this forum.

They are pure fan rants. At least my post is accurate.

 

[ams23]

There are plenty of good quality GTX680s or HD7970s with great coolers and build quality. Let not try to bring build quality into the equation, it will in no way make up the difference of a ~50% price premium.

High end goods in general tend never to have the best perf/$ due to diminishing returns, but that doesn't make these goods any less enjoyable to those who can afford it

 

[thilanliyan]

OMG nVidia is charging more for a faster card!!??? They should be giving us 200% more performance for 50% of the price of last gen!!! Oh the horror!!! It's all AMD's fault!!! I got sick yesterday...must be AMD's fault too!!

Seriously though, I'm not sure what to think. My initial thought was, "wow, they are giving us near Titan performance for a lot less"...then I thought, "but damn Titan costs $1000, so did nVidia train us to think $1000 is normal and then the 780 looks a lot better?"

Looking at the 780 vs Titan it looks really good, but looking at it from the 7970/680 at current prices, it doesn't look that good IMO. I'm really not sure lol. Anyway, my video card buying days are mostly done for a couple of years I think, so it doesn't matter too much to me.

 

[RussianSensation]

Launch price of GTX 680 was $499 USD, so launch price of GTX 780 is 30% higher, even though performance [at 19x10 resolution] is 35% higher on average according to Geforce.com .

Who cares what launch price of 680 was. We compare new cards against existing cards and their market prices when going out and buying a new card like the 780. I have to sell my 7970 for maybe $300 and pay $350 for a 22% increase in performance over a stock 7970. Someone without a card, is looking to pay 62.5% more over 1.05ghz 7970. That's completely different from how you are comparing it. The 780 shows how awfully overpriced the Titan was. You can get 3x 780s and OC them to absolutely demolish 2 Titans in SLI.

 

[ICDP]

Nice try, but why we stop here:
GTX680 $499 vs $549 7970 = 10% cheaper, 6% faster and 20% with OC, using less power, have the better cooler and better drivers.

Hm. :hmm:

The difference was the GTX680 was widely accepted as having better price/perf on release. The GTX780 is ~20% faster for ~60% higher cost over GTX680 and 7970GE and yet many are defending the horrible price/perf.

 

[tviceman]

$599 would have been nice... a slight premium for a noticeable performance jump. It would have walked the line between too much and just right. But $649, IMO, is just too high. Hopefully 20nm prices won't come out of the gate this high, otherwise peace out PC gaming.

 

[RussianSensation]

Yesterday people were laughing because GTX 780 won`t beat 7970GHz in Crysis 3.

Today we are laughing at you

Only 1 of those resolutions is somewhat playable as the higher rez is a complete slideshow. You get 7 fps more for $250, or 22% higher performance for a 62.5% price increase. 7 fps more for $250 is sad!

If GTX760Ti ~ GTX670 for $299, GTX780 will offer just 10 fps more for $350 more in Crysis 3.

 

[thilanliyan]

Nice try, but why we stop here:
GTX680 $499 vs $549 7970 = 10% cheaper, 6% faster and 20% with OC, using less power, have the better cooler and better drivers.

Hm. :hmm:

Where do you live where the 7970 is more expensive, slower, and overclocks worse than a 680? You must be getting fake 7970s or something where you live.

 

[chimaxi83]

Where do you live where the 7970 is more expensive, slower, and overclocks worse than a 680? You must be getting fake 7970s or something where you live.

He's desperate and using the launch price that hasn't been valid in more than a year.

 

[DooKey]

$599 would have been nice... a slight premium for a noticeable performance jump. It would have walked the line between too much and just right. But $649, IMO, is just too high. Hopefully 20nm prices won't come out of the gate this high, otherwise peace out PC gaming.

I don't get you guys who think just because the top end cards are more expensive this is somehow going to kill PC gaming. Both companies make their big cash on the low/mid-range and most PC gamers buy cards in the low to mid-range of the product line. The only thing this will do is push more enthusiasts to the mid-range versus the high end. Welcome to the $600 high end video card age.

 

[steviaintheraw]

I don't get you guys who think just because the top end cards are more expensive this is somehow going to kill PC gaming. Both companies make their big cash on the low/mid-range and most PC gamers buy cards in the low to mid-range of the product line. The only thing this will do is push more enthusiasts to the mid-range versus the high end. Welcome to the $600 high end video card age.

I think by "peace out PC gaming" He means for himself

 

[ams23]

You can get 3x 780s and OC them to absolutely demolish 2 Titans in SLI.

Yes, but only in instances that are not already CPU limited and where Tri-SLI scales well in the first place. Keep in mind that one reason for Titan's much higher price relative to GTX 780 is the inclusion of 6GB VRAM. The GTX 680 with 4GB VRAM was always priced at a huge premium relative to standard GTX 680.

 

[DrPizza]

I find it interesting that one "team" tends to report members of the other "team." I find it weirder when they're foolish enough to do that when the member is clearly replying to a trolling/inflammatory post by a member of their own "team." Please keep the discussion about the video cards, not about each other. And, knock it off with the inflammatory posts.

 

[RussianSensation]

Nice try, but why we stop here:
GTX680 $499 vs $549 7970 = 10% cheaper, 6% faster and 20% with OC, using less power, have the better cooler and better drivers.

Hm. :hmm:

Way to derail and come up with magical 20% faster over 7970OC. You must be day-dreaming if you think when 680 launched, when OC it outperformed a 1.2ghz 7970 by 20%. :whiste:

The 680 vs. 7970 has nothing to do with you bitching about 7970's price for 2.5 months before the 680 launched. Now you are not saying a single thing about how overpriced the 780 is. The price/performance is horrible compared to 7970 vs. 580 that you kept bringing up for the last 18 months at any opportunity. On top of that you linked TPU's misleading price/performance graph which is incorrect.

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Moving on. GTX780 OC is a great card for someone coming off the 580. I think it's actually a great upgrade for someone who passed on 680/7970 cards and it's $350 savings over the Titan. A lot of people like to upgrade when they can get 70-100% performance increase. and 780 delivers that over the 580.

 

[Fx1]

There is one fact here that people are forgetting.

THE 780 GTX IS NOT NEW.

Gk110 has been in production for well over 1 year. Basically you are paying cutting edge pricing for a chip thats actually OLD. 28nm is mature and near its end.

This is a stop gap card for the downtime between process shrinks.

This is no different from AMD launching a 1500mhz 7970 for $650 calling it the 8970. Offering 25% more performance.

This GPU should be $500 and not a penny more.

 

[R0H1T]

Holy fcuk, if titan ain't a total ripoff then I dunno is

edit : But then again anyone willing to pay 300~400$ more for a ~6% performance increase, over stock GTX 780, deserves a reality check asap !

 

[socialdarwinist]

Ahh, the entertainment of fanboys screaming about their favorite video cards. How or why people take this so personally, I will never understand.

 

[sontin]

Way to derail and come up with magical 20% faster over 7970OC. You must be day-dreaming if you think when 680 launched, when OC it outperformed a 1.2ghz 7970 by 20%. :whiste:

You are still comparing a stock GTX580 to an overclocked 7970. And yet you don't like the same comparision between a OC GTX680 and 7970? :awe:

The 680 vs. 7970 has nothing to do with you bitching about 7970's price for 2.5 months before the 680 launched. Now you are not saying a single thing about how overpriced the 780 is. The price/performance is horrible compared to 7970 vs. 580 that you kept bringing up for the last 18 months at any opportunity. On top of that you linked TPU's misleading price/performance graph which is incorrect.

MSRP for the GTX780 is $649. The card is 27% - 42% (temp target 80°) faster than the 7970. Perf/MSRP is much better than it was last year with the 7970. The only reason why AMD cards are cheaper is because nVidia undercut them with Kepler. Something AMD is not doing. It's getting tired to read your posting about some nonsense numbers and always ignoring the fact that AMD started it last year.