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diesbudt

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That is not true - that is GW1.

Actually it is true. Lv 8 I died, and when I spawned back at a point, there was a symbol at the bottom on my character picture near my health bar.

Having my mouse move over it, it said -4% stats until X amount of xp is earned.

And after 2 kills it dropped to 3%, then 2% and then 1%, then POOF all gone.

Unless that was a BW3 only thing, I know I saw it. It is not like the 15/30/45/60% version on GW1, but it exists.

Edit: may have been just -% health, but i know my health increased back to its original number as that penalty dissappeared. And not the downed state health, but my rumbling bad-ass charr alive hp.
 
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GaiaHunter

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That doesn't sound like a very big penalty, unless repair costs are really high. I guess my question is this: could a group of players trying to kill a boss literally spend 100 attempts and die 100 times while fighting that same boss in a night without really suffering any real consequences, other than a small amount of gold spent?

I'd like to see a game where you are aren't rewarded for throwing your head into a wall until the wall finally topples over.

They would have to go repair a ton time or have a ton of different armor sets in their bags.

If one die 100 times vs a boss they aren't going to kill it. Additionally trash mobs can be as dangerous as bosses - people just wouldn't be able to complete it.

There was this open world boss during last BWE, the fire elemental in metriKa province that had dozens of players bashing for hours at the boss without killing it.

In GW2 if you die 100 times you don't know what you doing, and if you don't know what you doing you won't be able to do any damage to the boss.

Don't try to compare it to other games to try to figure how it works because the experience is completely different.
 

GaiaHunter

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Actually it is true. Lv 8 I died, and when I spawned back at a point, there was a symbol at the bottom on my character picture near my health bar.

Having my mouse move over it, it said -4% stats until X amount of xp is earned.

And after 2 kills it dropped to 3%, then 2% and then 1%, then POOF all gone.

Unless that was a BW3 only thing, I know I saw it. It is not like the 15/30/45/60% version on GW1, but it exists.

Edit: may have been just -% health, but i know my health increased back to its original number as that penalty dissappeared. And not the downed state health, but my rumbling bad-ass charr alive hp.

Can't confirm that from my own BWE3 (or other BWE) experience, didn't see any defeat mechanic changes announced and never read anyone saying what you said.

You accumulate points whenever you are downed, that expire after 1 minute and each lowers your downed state health by 25%.

So, no idea.
 

diesbudt

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Can't confirm that from my own BWE3 (or other BWE) experience, didn't see any defeat mechanic changes announced and never read anyone saying what you said.

You accumulate points whenever you are downed, that expire after 1 minute and each lowers your downed state health by 25%.

So, no idea.

Yes that I know. Basically still giving you limited number of returns.

I only know about what I saw because I was running back and my HP number was lower than usual, and I saw a symbol bottom left in the health circle. And it showed me the -4% (which may increase at higher levels), and as I killed things it dissappeared and my health returned.
 

zinfamous

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Actually it is true. Lv 8 I died, and when I spawned back at a point, there was a symbol at the bottom on my character picture near my health bar.

Having my mouse move over it, it said -4% stats until X amount of xp is earned.

And after 2 kills it dropped to 3%, then 2% and then 1%, then POOF all gone.

Unless that was a BW3 only thing, I know I saw it. It is not like the 15/30/45/60% version on GW1, but it exists.

Edit: may have been just -% health, but i know my health increased back to its original number as that penalty dissappeared. And not the downed state health, but my rumbling bad-ass charr alive hp.


They must have changed that, as before that death penalty was simply set to a (short) timer. But you are right, there is indeed a death penalty in the game. If they have changed it to XP earned, then that would be a good move, imo.

the other thing to note is that repair costs, especially early in game, are a huge penalty. cash is not easy to come by. Just starting out learning this game--you will die and you will die often. If anything, it's an incentive to learn how to play. The cost scales to armor quality as well.
 

diesbudt

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They must have changed that, as before that death penalty was simply set to a (short) timer. But you are right, there is indeed a death penalty in the game. If they have changed it to XP earned, then that would be a good move, imo.

the other thing to note is that repair costs, especially early in game, are a huge penalty. cash is not easy to come by. Just starting out learning this game--you will die and you will die often. If anything, it's an incentive to learn how to play. The cost scales to armor quality as well.

Actually I think if I remember right it may have been both. Higher level gave me a longer time and %, but xp kills it off faster. Something like that.
 

GaiaHunter

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I'm not sure what the skull is.

I've been checking my footage and when I died I got the skull but had the same health and the skull disappeared without me killing anything.


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And a few seconds later in the same fight.




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The skull is gone, I have the same health and I just ran.
 
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diesbudt

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I'm not sure what the skull is.

I've been checking my footage and when I died I got the skull but had the same health and the skull disappeared without me killing anything.


And a few seconds later in the same fight.
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The skull is gone, I have the same health and I just ran.

Well its possible I was wrong, happens frequent enough, but I am almost certain what I read and saw.

By footage do you mean video recording or screenshots? If video recording, any suggestions? I have been looking to get one now that I have a strong desktop and not just laptops.
 

diesbudt

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For the record I tried a google search on that skull, and my first google choice was this thread at page 57... Thanks google, I didn't know what I typed here already.
 

GaiaHunter

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Video footage.

I use afterburner - still has a significant FPS dip.

I didn't hover the skull - my footage is from the stress test. My BW3 footage was lost with my previous HDD.
 

GaiaHunter

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I asked on guru.

They said the skull indicate the -% health when downed. White->orange->red.

It wears off naturally, although it was faster than the minute it says on the wiki.
 

zinfamous

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yes, mine wore down quite quickly. When I would hover over it, it would simply say -% health with the cooldown timer. I recall it wearing off rather quickly. :\

I didn't realize that it was only for downed-time health, though. But most anyone notices that when being downed several times in succession, that you certainly have far less health during each successive downing.
 

diesbudt

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Asura silly. What the hell was that for a question!

Asura Thief for me. Asura Warriour for the GF.

Probably Asura. The only other race I really want to get in vovled with at the start is Charr, but I did almos tcomplete their starting area in BW3. Neevr touched the asura yet.

That still leaves out what profession.

Though Mesmer and Elementalist sounds like a plan. I now my friend who will be playing with me is planning on Engineer.

edit... or guardian...
 

ShintaiDK

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GF and I love the Asura. American friend seems to be hooked on Charr Warriour. Swedish on on some x Elementalist and my Nephew on Norn Warriour.

Seems we gonna play an american server too, Crystal Desert. Couldnt feel any difference between playing on european or american. Utterly fantastic.
 

thujone

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really i think for your first character... any of them will do. the game and your character are open ended enough and classes are customizable enough that I honestly feel like most people will be happy with ANY of the race/class combinations possible.


but yeah... asura mes is pretty awesome. but i was also partial to playing a thief.
 

Grooveriding

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Can we get this thread stickied ? Lots of excitement for this title, would help to concentrate it.

Of course OP would need editing a bit lol.
 

ShintaiDK

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Lol ye.

Anyone tried the pirate puzzle cave at Lions Arch? I tried doing it but fell after 30mins in. lots of traps and a ghost that tried both to lead and mislead you. Secret walls etc.
 
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