Guiliani: Trump's tax returns have been audited and settled

[Greenman]

Wouldn’t the fact that Trump is implicated in multiple likely crimes in the tax returns that have already been analyzed show that’s wrong?

Is your position that he was bad at hiding his criminal activity before but got better since?

Wouldn't the fact that the IRS has those very same tax returns and hasn't ever prosecuted for evasion cast some doubt on that theory?

 

[hal2kilo]

Wouldn't the fact that the IRS has those very same tax returns and hasn't ever prosecuted for evasion cast some doubt on that theory?

Republican have gutted the auditing budget of the IRS. Those evil people who just want people to pay the taxes they are legally required to.

 

[fskimospy]

Wouldn't the fact that the IRS has those very same tax returns and hasn't ever prosecuted for evasion cast some doubt on that theory?

No, by its own admission the IRS misses huge amounts of tax crimes each year due to lack of enforcement funding.

You can read the story yourself, the tax experts who examined his taxes say it shows likely criminal activity.

Trump Engaged in Suspect Tax Schemes as He Reaped Riches From His Father (Published 2018)

The president has long sold himself as a self-made billionaire, but a Times investigation found that he received at least $413 million in today’s dollars from his father’s real estate empire, much of it through tax dodges in the 1990s.

www.nytimes.com

The Trumps’ plan, executed over the next decade, blended traditional techniques — such as rewriting Fred Trump’s will to maximize tax avoidance — with unorthodox strategies that tax experts told The Times were legally dubious and, in some cases, appeared to be fraudulent.

Are you saying they are wrong? If not, are you claiming he got better at hiding his criminal activity as he got older? If not, doesn't the fact that he's implicated in multiple likely crimes in prior tax returns indicate that he's probably implicated in multiple crimes in current ones? Isn't that common sense?

 

[VRAMdemon]

*Facepalm*...you've got to be kidding... Of course, a guy with a history of lying, scamming, grifting, cheating and stiffing companies and people like Donald Trump would never ever, ever think about cheating on his taxes

 

[fskimospy]

*Facepalm*...you've got to be kidding... Of course, a guy with a history of lying, scamming, grifting, cheating and stiffing companies and people like Donald Trump would never ever, ever think about cheating on his taxes

Well I think @Greenman 's argument is that he may be cheating but he's hiding it well.

I think documented history shows that's not the case, he's already been caught by tax experts committing what is likely tax fraud, using only the tax returns as a guide. Common sense says that if Congress/law enforcement gets ahold of his recent tax returns we're likely to find similar criminal activity.

 

[soundforbjt]

Wouldn't the fact that the IRS has those very same tax returns and hasn't ever prosecuted for evasion cast some doubt on that theory?

They didn't find Manafort's either until he was under investigation.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

lol the fact that people still for some reason think there is going to be some kind of big "gotcha" in the tax returns.

I mean how FUCKING dumb can you be? Do you think Trump pencils in his tax returns himself or something?

Trump may look dumb but things like this are what make his enemies look dumb.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Well I think @Greenman 's argument is that he may be cheating but he's hiding it well.

I think documented history shows that's not the case, he's already been caught by tax experts committing what is likely tax fraud, using only the tax returns as a guide. Common sense says that if Congress/law enforcement gets ahold of his recent tax returns we're likely to find similar criminal activity.

I suppose...It just cracks me up every time I hear someone make an excuse about how a man with a life long history of horribly questionable ethics, and business deals like Trump, and how he has handled paying and releasing his taxes. Trump promised to release his tax returns, then has done everything to prevent them from being released. Including bullshit about an audit. Certainly Biden should bring it up, preferably in a longer list of Trump’s inability to tell the truth. IMO, It’s not about what’s in the returns. It’s about the lying, the lack of transparency, and the fact that bringing it up seems to make him fucking melt down.

To be honest. I'd like SDNY to handle the tax return issue and have Biden not really push the issue at election time. Trump not releasing them is not really something that you can sell to most Americans as something that directly affects their life. I don't think the average American actually gives a fuck about the taxes. To people (Republican and Democrat) Taxes are like cancer. People hate hearing that word, they don’t want to think about it, they hate paying taxes, they don’t want to deal with it, and deep down most people wishes they could cheat on them and evade consequences. There’s a difference between “The President should release his returns” and “The President not releasing his returns will affect my vote.” The vast majority of people who care about the returns aren’t going to vote for Trump anyway. Finally, it would be another distraction from all the god awful things Trump has been doing and continues to do, from the environment to COVID19 to election interference to international agreements…the list goes on.

Everyone knows Trump has a long history of many shady business deals. No one would be surprised if there are illegal and/or legal-but-morally-iffy transactions in there. And, everyone on the fence knows he’s a blowhard who exaggerates his own prowess and accomplishments, so showing he isn’t as wealthy as some assume wouldn’t interest most voters at this point. I don’t feel Trump’s tax returns are his weak point. Sure, he probably broke some laws. But we’ve seen that most of Trump’s supporters don’t care if he breaks laws. And cheating on his taxes is probably the most socially acceptable way for somebody to break the law. To many Americans, cheating on his taxes is the equivalent of accusing Trump of driving over the speed limit. Also, even if the returns get released, any wrongdoings on it won’t be obvious to the average person. It’s not like there’s going to be a line item marked “Illegal payments from Russia.” I guarantee that 30 seconds after they’re released the talking heads on Fox will immediately saying “See! There’s nothing wrong here, because we haven’t actually looked at them yet!”

 

[soundforbjt]

lol the fact that people still for some reason think there is going to be some kind of big "gotcha" in the tax returns.

I mean how FUCKING dumb can you be? You do you think Trump pencils in his tax returns himself or something?

Trump may look dumb but things like this are what make his enemies look dumb.

The fact that former IRS tax experts looked at Trump's old returns and found possible fraud and you think, like Greenman that he's gotten better at hiding it?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

The fact that former IRS tax experts looked at Trump's old returns and found possible fraud and you think, like Greenman that he's gotten better at hiding it?

First understand this: It's NOT "him". It's a fucking CPA firm with tons of lawyers and other potential shell companies to hide anything that might seem to call anything into question.

There isn't going to be some kind of magic smoking gun on them - and nor is there going to be anything illegal because I guarantee they jump through all the right hoops (loopholes to be more precise) - just like any other rich fuck does in this country.

 

[hal2kilo]

First understand this: It's NOT "him". It's a fucking CPA firm with tons of lawyers and other potential shell companies to hide anything that might seem to call anything into question.

There isn't going to be some kind of magic smoking gun on them - and nor is there going to be anything illegal because I guarantee they jump through all the right hoops (loopholes to be more precise) - just like any other rich fuck does in this country.

Remember there used to be an Arthur Anderson. Are you saying CPAs do this all the time?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Remember there used to be an Arthur Anderson. Are you saying CPAs do this all the time?

..... Wut? What does Arthur Anderson being the auditor of Enron have to do filing tax returns on behalf of clients? lol.

The answer is nothing. It has nothing to do with eachother. And like I said, regardless of you guys thinking there is something massively illegal on his returns - I promise you there isn't.

I'm sure there are plenty of questionable things - or even things that look "bad". But I promise you each and every one of them is legal.

 

[fskimospy]

lol the fact that people still for some reason think there is going to be some kind of big "gotcha" in the tax returns.

I mean how FUCKING dumb can you be? Do you think Trump pencils in his tax returns himself or something?

Trump may look dumb but things like this are what make his enemies look dumb.

This is a genuine question - how fucking dumb would someone have to be to think such a thing is unlikely, considering people have ALREADY FOUND likely tax fraud in previous returns involving Trump?

I’m serious - it is difficult for me to imagine the amount of stupidity necessary to write what you did.

 

[fskimospy]

..... Wut? What does Arthur Anderson being the auditor of Enron have to do filing tax returns on behalf of clients? lol.

The answer is nothing. It has nothing to do with eachother. And like I said, regardless of you guys thinking there is something massively illegal on his returns - I promise you there isn't.

I'm sure there are plenty of questionable things - or even things that look "bad". But I promise you each and every one of them is legal.

So you think he just stopped committing tax fraud sometime after the 1980s?

Interesting idea.

 

[Commodus]

First understand this: It's NOT "him". It's a fucking CPA firm with tons of lawyers and other potential shell companies to hide anything that might seem to call anything into question.

There isn't going to be some kind of magic smoking gun on them - and nor is there going to be anything illegal because I guarantee they jump through all the right hoops (loopholes to be more precise) - just like any other rich fuck does in this country.

I wouldn't presume there will be nothing illegal. Less-than-scrupulous CPAs can be good at hiding fishy practices; just as there might not be a magic smoking gun, CPAs can't magically cover up everything.

Besides, remember that Trump's corruption in office has been dubbed "stupid Watergate" precisely because the people involved aren't even clever enough to hide their unethical activity. He's a man who'll lie about having lied, even though you have clear video evidence of the lie... I wouldn't put it past him to have done something that even clever accounting can't disguise.

 

[compuwiz1]

I've herd this from a lot of different sources, and I'm honestly baffled by the concept. Why is there a "strong likelihood" that his tax returns contain evidence illegal activity? As far as I can tell, it's all innuendo and wishful thinking.
While I admit to not being a criminal, I can make a reasonable assessment of what information I'd put on my tax return if I were. I can say with absolute certainty I wouldn't list income from my criminal activity as "criminal activity".
I would also assume that Trump doesn't keep his own books or do his own taxes. I've been assured by several wealthy people that a CPA is the best second line defense against going to jail for tax evasion (not cheating is first). My guess is that Trump avails himself of that protection.
I can easily see him having income from questionable sources, but that's not a crime. Even in my little business I sometimes receive payments from third party's that have no visible connection to my clients. Just yesterday I deposited a check from a fellow in Thailand. That would be flagged in any examination of my books, but on my tax forms it's lumped into "revenue".
It's very easy to make a money trail appear sinister, it's an entirely different matter to prove criminal activity. I would bet heavy odds that Trump has engaged in some sort of illegal scheme over the years, and I'd also bet that it was extremely well covered. He may be stupid, his accountant isn't.

A lot of people invested a lot of money in the Clinton campaign, expecting their investments to pay dividends because Clinton is a person who could be bought. When she was defeated, a lot of people got pissed and have been determined to get revenge ever since. I have no other explanation for why the whole media and their sheep have gone bat shit crazy over one man's presidency. After every election I can remember, people just got over their loss and moved on. It was impossible for this side show clown to be elected, they thought. They were wrong. It seems Trump cock blocked a lot of their agenda and this created a lot of insecurity in the Democratic party, to where they needed to find a way to get the man out of office, by any means necessary.
Digging up the past didn't work, when he was running.
The pee pee dossier didn't work because it was bogus.
The Mueller report didn't net the evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians.
The impeachment didn't work, as he was acquitted.
Bolton wrote a book, but nobody trusts him.
Now we got Mary Trump and her book, but she seems like a bitter soul with an agenda, because she's doesn't have good favor in the family.
They fought for the tax returns, but congress doesn't get them, only SDNY.

In the meantime, even though the polls favor Biden right now, by the time we get to the general election, Trump is gonna trounce old Joe. This is gonna send the Dems back to the drawing board, trying to dig up more shit to throw. Nothing productive will come from the Democrat's side, no matter what. Nothing bipartisan is going to come from congress. I don't know how in the hell anything ever gets right again as long as two sides are vehemently opposed to each others ideas, if for nothing more than spite. We pay these politicians for being childish, when we should fire them all. Vote all these pricks out, for they serve nobody but themselves.

 

[fskimospy]

I wouldn't presume there will be nothing illegal. Less-than-scrupulous CPAs can be good at hiding fishy practices; just as there might not be a magic smoking gun, CPAs can't magically cover up everything.

Besides, remember that Trump's corruption in office has been dubbed "stupid Watergate" precisely because the people involved aren't even clever enough to hide their unethical activity. He's a man who'll lie about having lied, even though you have clear video evidence of the lie... I wouldn't put it past him to have done something that even clever accounting can't disguise.

Maybe @s0me0nesmind1 thinks Trump subsequently hired better accountants or something because the previous ones certainly failed to adequately cover it up, haha.

 

[fskimospy]

A lot of people invested a lot of money in the Clinton campaign, expecting their investments to pay dividends because Clinton is a person who could be bought. When she was defeated, a lot of people got pissed and have been determined to get revenge ever since. I have no other explanation for why the whole media and their sheep have gone bat shit crazy over one man's presidency. After every election I can remember, people just got over their loss and moved on. It was impossible for this side show clown to be elected, they thought. They were wrong. It seems Trump cock blocked a lot of their agenda and this created a lot of insecurity in the Democratic party, to where they needed to find a way to get the man out of office, by any means necessary.
Digging up the past didn't work, when he was running.
The pee pee dossier didn't work because it was bogus.
The Mueller report didn't net the evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians.
The impeachment didn't work, as he was acquitted.
Bolton wrote a book, but nobody trusts him.
Now we got Mary Trump and her book, but she seems like a bitter soul with an agenda, because she's doesn't have good favor in the family.
They fought for the tax returns, but congress doesn't get them, only SDNY.

In the meantime, even though the polls favor Biden right now, by the time we get to the general election, Trump is gonna trounce old Joe. This is gonna send the Dems back to the drawing board, trying to dig up more shit to throw. Nothing productive will come from the Democrat's side, no matter what. Nothing bipartisan is going to come from congress. I don't know how in the hell anything ever gets right again as long as two sides are vehemently opposed to each others ideas, if for nothing more than spite.

Have you considered why your similar prediction of Republicans winning despite the polls was so wrong in 2018 and has this changed your thinking any?

 

[compuwiz1]

Have you considered why your similar prediction of Republicans winning despite the polls was so wrong in 2018 and has this changed your thinking any?

I'll admit my compass was off on 2018. What I think is different this time is that the Democratic party has been pulled further left, by the likes of the squad, all the advocacy, civil unrest, etc. People want to defund the police. People have been destroying property, looting and burning, while liberal governors and mayors have pretty much sat on their hands. The picture of today's democratic party appears more fringe than mainstream. The National Association of Police Organizations has endorsed Trump, which means the Democrats have lost law enforcement personnel. Leo Terrell, a civil rights attorney and long time critic of Trump, just announced he will be voting for Trump, blaming all the things I've mentioned. I watched a closed group on FaceBook, that supports Trump go from 24,000 members to almost a million in about 3 weeks. Nobody gets in that group without an invite. Just signs everywhere. Trump has more support from black voters then he had the first time. There has been coalitions of Blacks and Hispanics recruiting new members to the Republican side, using the narrative that democrats who have been in power for decades have done nothing for them. Every election cycle, these people need reinforcement from the party, that they are victims, and falsely, that the Democrats are their saviors. It's not difficult to find many videos from black conservatives, who have awakened and are calling this out.

So, in the end, if I'm wrong again, I'm wrong again, but I hear the pot boiling and I don't think I will be this time.

 

[hal2kilo]

I'll admit my compass was off on 2018. What I think is different this time is that the Democratic party has been pulled further left, by the likes of the squad, all the advocacy, civil unrest, etc. People want to defund the police. People have been destroying property, looting and burning, while liberal governors and mayors have pretty much sat on their hands. The picture of today's democratic party appears more fringe than mainstream. The National Association of Police Organizations has endorsed Trump, which means the Democrats have lost law enforcement personnel. Leo Terrell, a civil rights attorney and long time critic of Trump, just announced he will be voting for Trump, blaming all the things I've mentioned. I watched a closed group on FaceBook, that supports Trump go from 24,000 members to almost a million in about 3 weeks. Nobody gets in that group without an invite. Just signs everywhere. Trump has more support from black voters then he had the first time. There has been coalitions of Blacks and Hispanics recruiting new members to the Republican side, using the narrative that democrats who have been in power for decades have done nothing for them. Every election cycle, these people need reinforcement from the party, that they are victims, and falsely, that the Democrats are their saviors. It's not difficult to find many videos from black conservatives, who have awakened and are calling this out.

So, in the end, if I'm wrong again, I'm wrong again, but I hear the pot boiling and I don't think I will be this time.

Don't worry Fox is working over time on the problem.

 

[UNCjigga]

I'll admit my compass was off on 2018. What I think is different this time is that the Democratic party has been pulled further left, by the likes of the squad, all the advocacy, civil unrest, etc. People want to defund the police. People have been destroying property, looting and burning, while liberal governors and mayors have pretty much sat on their hands. The picture of today's democratic party appears more fringe than mainstream. The National Association of Police Organizations has endorsed Trump, which means the Democrats have lost law enforcement personnel. Leo Terrell, a civil rights attorney and long time critic of Trump, just announced he will be voting for Trump, blaming all the things I've mentioned. I watched a closed group on FaceBook, that supports Trump go from 24,000 members to almost a million in about 3 weeks. Nobody gets in that group without an invite. Just signs everywhere. Trump has more support from black voters then he had the first time. There has been coalitions of Blacks and Hispanics recruiting new members to the Republican side, using the narrative that democrats who have been in power for decades have done nothing for them. Every election cycle, these people need reinforcement from the party, that they are victims, and falsely, that the Democrats are their saviors. It's not difficult to find many videos from black conservatives, who have awakened and are calling this out.

So, in the end, if I'm wrong again, I'm wrong again, but I hear the pot boiling and I don't think I will be this time.

Yeah, pulled further left all the way to...Joe Biden.

The picture of the Democratic Party you’ve been viewing has been distorted—fix your lenses.

 

[fskimospy]

I'll admit my compass was off on 2018. What I think is different this time is that the Democratic party has been pulled further left, by the likes of the squad, all the advocacy, civil unrest, etc. People want to defund the police. People have been destroying property, looting and burning, while liberal governors and mayors have pretty much sat on their hands. The picture of today's democratic party appears more fringe than mainstream. The National Association of Police Organizations has endorsed Trump, which means the Democrats have lost law enforcement personnel. Leo Terrell, a civil rights attorney and long time critic of Trump, just announced he will be voting for Trump, blaming all the things I've mentioned. I watched a closed group on FaceBook, that supports Trump go from 24,000 members to almost a million in about 3 weeks. Nobody gets in that group without an invite. Just signs everywhere. Trump has more support from black voters then he had the first time. There has been coalitions of Blacks and Hispanics recruiting new members to the Republican side, using the narrative that democrats who have been in power for decades have done nothing for them. Every election cycle, these people need reinforcement from the party, that they are victims, and falsely, that the Democrats are their saviors. It's not difficult to find many videos from black conservatives, who have awakened and are calling this out.

So, in the end, if I'm wrong again, I'm wrong again, but I hear the pot boiling and I don't think I will be this time.

If a closed group went from 24,000 members to a million in a week that should be a strong indicator of fake account activity.

Regardless, if what you’re saying is true then these people clearly aren’t afraid of voicing their support so it should show up in the polls. Instead it shows Trump losing by the widest margin for an incumbent in the history of scientific polling.

What you’re saying here is a lot like 2018 - you desperately wanted the Republicans not to be crushed so you told yourself a story about how it wasn’t the case. It was though. Same here, the most likely answer is you’re telling yourself a story to feel better because America can’t wait to toss this guy out of office and rip out all the corruption and incompetence by the roots.

 

[Greenman]

A lot of people invested a lot of money in the Clinton campaign, expecting their investments to pay dividends because Clinton is a person who could be bought. When she was defeated, a lot of people got pissed and have been determined to get revenge ever since. I have no other explanation for why the whole media and their sheep have gone bat shit crazy over one man's presidency. After every election I can remember, people just got over their loss and moved on. It was impossible for this side show clown to be elected, they thought. They were wrong. It seems Trump cock blocked a lot of their agenda and this created a lot of insecurity in the Democratic party, to where they needed to find a way to get the man out of office, by any means necessary.
Digging up the past didn't work, when he was running.
The pee pee dossier didn't work because it was bogus.
The Mueller report didn't net the evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians.
The impeachment didn't work, as he was acquitted.
Bolton wrote a book, but nobody trusts him.
Now we got Mary Trump and her book, but she seems like a bitter soul with an agenda, because she's doesn't have good favor in the family.
They fought for the tax returns, but congress doesn't get them, only SDNY.

In the meantime, even though the polls favor Biden right now, by the time we get to the general election, Trump is gonna trounce old Joe. This is gonna send the Dems back to the drawing board, trying to dig up more shit to throw. Nothing productive will come from the Democrat's side, no matter what. Nothing bipartisan is going to come from congress. I don't know how in the hell anything ever gets right again as long as two sides are vehemently opposed to each others ideas, if for nothing more than spite. We pay these politicians for being childish, when we should fire them all. Vote all these pricks out, for they serve nobody but themselves.

That's an accurate assessment in my opinion.
I'm not a Trump fan by any means, but I'm also not a fan of the burning need to "get him". I won't be the least bit disappointed if Joe wins, at least that way I won't have to hear the never ending stream of "the walls closing in", "the beginning of the end" the "smoking gun", and a host of others. Trump will walk out of the white house and spend the rest of a very comfortable life telling the world how his presidency was the greatest ever. Though with any luck twitter will ban him for life.

 

[fskimospy]

That's an accurate assessment in my opinion.
I'm not a Trump fan by any means, but I'm also not a fan of the burning need to "get him". I won't be the least bit disappointed if Joe wins, at least that way I won't have to hear the never ending stream of "the walls closing in", "the beginning of the end" the "smoking gun", and a host of others. Trump will walk out of the white house and spend the rest of a very comfortable life telling the world how his presidency was the greatest ever. Though with any luck twitter will ban him for life.

So in other words you don’t think federal or state prosecutors will take any action against him even though he’s directly implicated under oath in at least one felony? It’s possible, but wouldn’t that be based on political considerations by Biden and not the merits of the case?

Also, serious question, why do you think these tax returns would not show illegal activity when prior tax returns Trump was associated did show criminal activity? Do you think he stopped committing crimes? Do you think he got better at hiding his tracks? What?

 

[eelw]

Digging up the past didn't work, when he was running.
The pee pee dossier didn't work because it was bogus.
The Mueller report didn't net the evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians.
The impeachment didn't work, as he was acquitted.
Bolton wrote a book, but nobody trusts him.
Now we got Mary Trump and her book, but she seems like a bitter soul with an agenda, because she's doesn't have good favor in the family.

Get it through your thick head, Mueller found evidence of collusion. But he was never going to charge a sitting president. He punted to Congress.

Yes Trumpity Dumpity got acquitted by a bunch of butt kissers. Hardly a credible win.

Lol Mary is bitter??? She’s the only sane one based on media interviews.

In regards to post after, only the Trumpards believe his defund the police crap. No one in the center and left fall for those lies and know full well Biden supports the police and he wants reform.