Gun Control Harms Children

JupiterJones

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In Britain, burglary is much more frequent than in the United States. And the burglars no longer strike when the family is away. Some 43% -- or three in seven -- burglaries in Britain occur WHILE THE FAMILY IS AT HOME.

Any means of self-defense is absolutely forbidden by British law, so the thugs just march in.

In the evil and self-defense-minded US, only six percent of burglaries occur when the family is at home.

Can you imagine the effect this has on the children in the United Kingdom? Having their parents at home means absolutely nothing. The thugs just come in and push them out of the way.

The big liberal kick right now is to get all guns out of homes with children in them. Naturally, this is just for the good of the kids. But it also removes the ability of parents to protect their children.

Rosie O'Donnell, one of the most outspoken leaders in this anti-gun movement, has hired an armed bodyguard for her kid. She can protect her children. But she fights to prevent the average American from doing it.

If you believe that violence is the worst thing that can happen to people, then you have no right to be a free human being. We have to be willing to face violence in extreme cases to protect our freedom AND OUR SELF-RESPECT. But the British are willing to destroy all the faith of their children in their parents to keep out weapons for self-defense. They think getting rid of weapons by law-abiding people will prevent violence. Obviously, they are wrong. But even if they were right, can you imagine allowing thieves to take over your home, with your children there, for anything in the world?

 

chechi

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Ever since Australia( I know I spelled that wrong) took away the citizens firarms, the crime rate sky rocketed. And know burglers break into the homes with needles, claiming that they have aids infected blood in them and will stick you with it. Imagine that crap! A firearm is used every 13 seconds for self protection. I could go on, and on.
 

glenn1

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You do realize you're risking the wrath of the gun grabber crowd, and their belief that because they have to dodge bullets from the crackheads in their own self-inflicted inner city welfare utopias, that therefore they should be allowed to strip law-abiding citizens (including in places 1,000 miles away from them like Wyoming) of their Second Amendment rights?
 

JupiterJones

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To be honest, I have never understood the rationale behind gun control. I try to "get the point", even when I disagree but this one baffles me.
 

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<< To be honest, I have never understood the rationale behind gun control. I try to "get the point", even when I disagree but this one baffles me. >>


You've never been in The Netherlands or any other countries where gun control is a huge success, have you?
 

JupiterJones

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You've never been in The Netherlands or any other countries where gun control is a huge success, have you?

Actually, I have been thru most of Europe. I especially liked Switzerland (where gun proliferation is a huge success).

I wonder, what is your criterion for saying that gun control is a huge success in the Netherlands? What problem did you have that gun control solved?

In the Netherlands you have a higher victimization rate and less freedom. The areas of the US without gun control are some of the safest places on Earth.

1998 British Home Office report that showed England and Wales as having the second highest victimization rate for all crimes (the Netherlands leads the list, the U.S. came in seventh)
 

Ulfwald

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Gun Control:

Hitting your target with accuracy while under pressure.

Now tell me, why should I give up my right to defend myself and my family?
 

Red Dawn

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Hey I want to be able to take out whole groups of people that piss me off. If you take away my right to own guns it would make it much more difficult for me to kill 5 or 6 people at a time. Could you imagine trying to do that with a knife?
 

JupiterJones

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Hey I want to be able to take out whole groups of people that piss me off. If you take away my right to own guns it would make it much more difficult for me to kill 5 or 6 people at a time. Could you imagine trying to do that with a knife?

I can't imagine you doing it at all if those 5 or 6 people are armed.
 

Red Dawn

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No, anyone who would kill people in cold blood would be cowardly. Guns would enable cowardly people to kill 5 or 6 unarmed individuals or children at a time.
 

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I would be VERY interested to see statistics comparing the number of people who SUCCESSFULLY defend themselves with their guns, versus the number of violent deaths, accidental deaths, and injuries caused by guns each year.

And preferably these stats would NOT be generated by the NRA.....

I'd be surprised if the stats made gun ownership seem like the safer alternative. But my mind is open.
 

Red Dawn

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Hey I really want to own a gun to protect myself from the whackos that own guns.
 

JupiterJones

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No, anyone who would kill people in cold blood would be cowardly. Guns would enable cowardly people to kill 5 or 6 unarmed individuals or children at a time.

Murder has a long history. The gun is the great equalizer. My grandmother, from her wheelchair, is able to defend herself if armed with a handgun. The gun empowers individuals.

An armed society is a polite society - Robert Heinlein
 

JupiterJones

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I would be VERY interested to see statistics comparing the number of people who SUCCESSFULLY defend themselves with their guns, versus the number of violent deaths, accidental deaths, and injuries caused by guns each year.

I would refer you to articles by Dr. John Lott Jr. John R. Lott Jr. is a senior research scholar at the Yale University Law School.

The National Crime Victimization Report, done by the U.S. Department of Justice, indicates consistently that women who behave passively are 2.5 times more likely to be seriously injured than women who defend themselves with a gun. It is the physically weakest people (women and the elderly) who benefit the most from having a gun. Criminals, overwhelmingly young males, like to attack the targets that will give them the least trouble. A gun represents a great equalizer. Defensive gun uses are almost completely ignored by the media, but Americans use guns defensively about two million times a year, five times more often than guns are used to commit crimes
 

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<< women who behave passively are 2.5 times more likely to be seriously injured than women who defend themselves with a gun. It is the physically weakest people (women and the elderly) who benefit the most from having a gun. >>

Hell hath no fury like an Armed Women PMSing!!
 

chechi

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And preferably these stats would NOT be generated by the NRA..... Well, I would like to see some stats that arent generated by the gun hateing liberals. Oh and by the way the person who said it would be hard to kill 5 or 6 people with a knife, some women drowned 4 or 5 of her kids in the bathtub, now you wanna ban bathtubs. And all you hear about are the killings, because thats all the media reports. You dont hear all the good things, and how someone saved a life, or prevented a crime with a gun. And what about knives? Well if there was a string of stabbings that were made public all of a sudden, you wanna ban knives too? Taking away guns wont do anything buy make people more vunerable to be a victim. You have no right to tell me I can't own a firarm to protect myself.
 

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<< Murder has a long history. The gun is the great equalizer. My grandmother, from her wheelchair, is able to defend herself if armed with a handgun. The gun empowers individuals.
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I am anti gun control (at least in its current form...I think we need to use technology so that only the owner can fire his/her gun, but I don't think we should take guns away), but from a self defense standpoint, if you are a weak individual, carrying a gun can be more dangerous because it is very easy for a skilled attacker to take your gun and use it on you.
 

Red Dawn

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<< You have no right to tell me I can't own a firarm to protect myself. >>

Wasn't trying too ChiChi, I was just saying that owning a gun makes it easy to commit mass murder. If you want to kill somebody bad enough you can find a way. Of course if you had to get dirty doing it you might think twice.
 

BDawg

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<< Gun Control Harms Children >>



I also heard that smoking around children helps them to breathe since it builds up their resistance to bad air.
 

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<<<< Murder has a long history. The gun is the great equalizer. My grandmother, from her wheelchair, is able to defend herself if armed with a handgun. The gun empowers individuals.
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I am anti gun control (at least in its current form...I think we need to use technology so that only the owner can fire his/her gun, but I don't think we should take guns away), but from a self defense standpoint, if you are a weak individual, carrying a gun can be more dangerous because it is very easy for a skilled attacker to take your gun and use it on you. >>

Yea and how much worse off is she now? Assuming she losses her gun how would that put her in a worst position then not having the gun at all?
 

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Guns are so great, they're so efficient at killing people. They are great tool to have around the house. They're the perfect weapon for our lazy society. Let's face it, do we really want to work to defend ourselves? I thought not. Hell, everyone should have a gun, they should be like the swiss army knife of the new millenium. And why stop with the parents having guns to protect their children, just give the kids guns too, no burgular will mess with them then.

 

chechi

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Well, Rad Dude what do yo expect people to defend themselves with? And why should law abiding citizens be punished and put at greater risk?
 

Red Dawn

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Chechen

<< Well, Rad Dude what do yo expect people to defend themselves with? And why should law abiding citizens be punished and put at greater risk? >>

Hey I didn't say you shouldn't own guns. Hell look what your people have been doing to the Russians with their guns?
 

JupiterJones

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just give the kids guns too, no burgular will mess with them then.

Spongebog,
I agree. Just gave my son his first .22. He's well on his way to becoming a citizen.
 
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