Gun Nuts probably suffer from lead poisoning

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Londo_Jowo

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No one who's replied so far has even read the article.

Maybe you should actually read the article.

A recent report from the National Academy of Sciences found that OSHA lead exposure standards are too lax to protect military firing range employees.

Please note they didn't say this was an issue for those who occasionally go to a firing range.

How can firing range workers reduce their exposure? The most direct solution is switching to lead-free ammunition or at least jacketed bullets, which have a lead core covered with a coating made of copper or nylon. Lead has been traditionally favored because of its density, but the military has since developed lead-free ammunition that reportedly works just as well.

Hmmm so using jacketed or lead free ammunition is the answer and it appears that the military is doing what they can to correct the issue.

Your lack of knowledge is very noticeable as most people who own guns use semi or fully jacketed rounds so their lead exposure is not the same as someone who works in a military firing range.
 

glenn1

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I'm sure there is some risk in lead-core bullets to operators; life is inherently risky after all. But since the military has phased out tungsten core bullets for other safety reasons, and neither steel core or all-copper bullets are likely to be adopted anytime soon, we'll continue to deal with the "risks" of lead core ammunition.
 

thraashman

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According to the Mayo Clinic the following are symptoms of lead poisoning in adults.

High blood pressure
Declines in mental functioning
Pain, numbness or tingling of the extremities
Muscular weakness
Headache
Abdominal pain
Memory loss
Mood disorders
Reduced sperm count, abnormal sperm
Miscarriage or premature birth in pregnant women


Now I haven't heard any of the conservative gun nuts in P&N complain about head aches or abdominal aches, but declines in mental function and mood disorders is EXTREMELY evident amongst many of the gun nuts around here. So maybe karmy has something here.
 

Doppel

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OP proven elsewhere he doesn't care about facts in this debate.

I would leave him with this question: if lead at the range does this what compelled a non exposed person to buy the gun in the first place?
 

micrometers

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I'm sure there is some risk in lead-core bullets to operators; life is inherently risky after all. But since the military has phased out tungsten core bullets for other safety reasons, and neither steel core or all-copper bullets are likely to be adopted anytime soon, we'll continue to deal with the "risks" of lead core ammunition.

You also have to consider the impact of lead ammunition used by hunters on wildlife. Bullets will shatter through a deer on impact and so the meat that a hunter eats often is filled with lead. But beyond that, birds and other wildlife might accidentally eat a lead pellet and die that way.

I'd also presume that shotguns are worse because of their multitude of tiny shells.

It's completely unnecessary too. A copper or steel bullet used for hunting and sports would be slightly more expensive, but even if we're talking like double or triple the price of a lead round that's like a buck or two.
 

xj0hnx

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The OP is another prime example of the ignorance in the anti-gun nut job culture.
 

glenn1

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You also have to consider the impact of lead ammunition used by hunters on wildlife. Bullets will shatter through a deer on impact and so the meat that a hunter eats often is filled with lead. But beyond that, birds and other wildlife might accidentally eat a lead pellet and die that way.

I'd also presume that shotguns are worse because of their multitude of tiny shells.

It's completely unnecessary too. A copper or steel bullet used for hunting and sports would be slightly more expensive, but even if we're talking like double or triple the price of a lead round that's like a buck or two.

I was talking about military-use ammunition, where cost is much less of a factor. As I said, tungsten core bullets have been phased out. Steel-core bullets tend to overpenetrate and thus are sub-optimal for military use. All-copper doesn't have the density of lead but is in trials now so that may be a potential future solution.
 

kage69

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Lead is a valid concern, and is why I never buy anything not jacketed and pretty much never shoot at an indoor range, even those well ventilated. I prefer the outdoors, and on my own property,

Having said that, OP is clearly trolling.
 

kage69

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You also have to consider the impact of lead ammunition used by hunters on wildlife. Bullets will shatter through a deer on impact and so the meat that a hunter eats often is filled with lead. But beyond that, birds and other wildlife might accidentally eat a lead pellet and die that way.

I'd also presume that shotguns are worse because of their multitude of tiny shells.

It's completely unnecessary too. A copper or steel bullet used for hunting and sports would be slightly more expensive, but even if we're talking like double or triple the price of a lead round that's like a buck or two.



It's clear to me now that you don't know what you are talking about in regards to hunting and ballistics.

No one hunts big game with varmint loads, and I think lead shot for waterfowl has been illegal for some time. I've never met a single hunter who uses lead shot for anything other than clay or pests like squirrels.

Just stop. You sound like a Congressman who thinks he's an authority on violent video games because he played Pong and Space Invaders back in the 80s.
 

kage69

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I'm sure there is some risk in lead-core bullets to operators; life is inherently risky after all. But since the military has phased out tungsten core bullets for other safety reasons, and neither steel core or all-copper bullets are likely to be adopted anytime soon, we'll continue to deal with the "risks" of lead core ammunition.


I believe it's nylon and copper now?


I like frangible rounds. They clean your barrel on the way out and they fertilize the ground of your range! Expensive though :8(
 

micrometers

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It's clear to me now that you don't know what you are talking about in regards to hunting and ballistics.

No one hunts big game with varmint loads, and I think lead shot for waterfowl has been illegal for some time. I've never met a single hunter who uses lead shot for anything other than clay or pests like squirrels.

Just stop. You sound like a Congressman who thinks he's an authority on violent video games because he played Pong and Space Invaders back in the 80s.

You're so disorganized in your thoughts.

Obviously no one hunts deer with shotguns, but the typical rifle shot used to kill deer often has a lead core. Because it's cheap. if you actually read the article, it went on about how venison donated by hunters has been found to have elevated levels of lead, and that hunters have 50% more lead in their system after eating deer they kill.

You sure you haven't breathed in too many lead fumes?
 

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Doppel

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Obviously no one hunts deer with shotguns, but the typical rifle shot used to kill deer often has a lead core.

PLEASE stop posting--you're so f**king ignorant. Many areas ONLY allow hunting deer with shotguns or muzzle-loading guns. Any idea where the term Buck shot came from? Most shotgun hunting of deer today involves rifled slugs or sabot slugs, however.

You know absolutely nothing about this matter and continue to display your ignorance like a jolly fool.
hunters have 50% more lead in their system after eating deer they kill
And yet to date there have been no reported cases of illness related to lead consumption in game.
 

Chuck_v

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http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2013/01/lead-shooting-ranges-osha



That probably explains the aggression, impulsivity, and paranoia that so many gun nuts exhibit. They're breathing in lead vapor everytime they fire the weapon.

The only individuals to ever have suffered lead poisoning in my home was the two POS that broke into my home. Now admittedly they got a lot more than 1 PPM at the time so they succumbed to lethal exposure farely quickly. You know what the really cool part was neither of the motherf**kers will ever break into anyone elses home not even yours you pussy.
 

micrometers

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The only individuals to ever have suffered lead poisoning in my home was the two POS that broke into my home. Now admittedly they got a lot more than 1 PPM at the time so they succumbed to lethal exposure farely quickly. You know what the really cool part was neither of the motherf**kers will ever break into anyone elses home not even yours you pussy.

*shoots furniture movers he forgot he hired*

*inhales lead fumes*

*recites 2nd amendment from memory*
 

Doppel

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No one could manually throw this much shit at a wall. You must be using some sort of full auto shit cannon.

Karmy doesn't even live by his own rules. He has an illegal high capacity magazine of bullshit he is spraying the area with.
 

Chuck_v

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Karmy doesn't even live by his own rules. He has an illegal high capacity magazine of bullshit he is spraying the area with.

He is the classic cowardly liberal/progressive troll. He will always depend on others to look after his worthless cowardly ass. He is a social parasite. Also his mother called and she wants him to be so kind as to return her MIDOL.
 

Theb

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Karmy doesn't even live by his own rules. He has an illegal high capacity magazine of bullshit he is spraying the area with.

The total volume of shit made me suspect he was using a select-fire weapon, however the fact that none of the shit has stuck means that bump firing would have had the same effect. I think you are correct though, there's strong evidence he's using a high capacity magazine.
 

Chuck_v

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Hey Karmy...if you ever actually decide to defend yourself point one of your tampons at them, that ought to work for you.
 

sourn

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According to the Mayo Clinic the following are symptoms of lead poisoning in adults.

High blood pressure
Declines in mental functioning
Pain, numbness or tingling of the extremities
Muscular weakness
Headache
Abdominal pain
Memory loss
Mood disorders
Reduced sperm count, abnormal sperm
Miscarriage or premature birth in pregnant women


Now I haven't heard any of the conservative gun nuts in P&N complain about head aches or abdominal aches, but declines in mental function and mood disorders is EXTREMELY evident amongst many of the gun nuts around here. So maybe karmy has something here.

So what you're saying is, gun nuts have a reason to be stupid.

So my question is what the fuck is the anti gun nuts reason? Their far more retarded. Every time some idiot says they're not trying to take your guns, you have some other idiot trying to pass a bill to do exactly that.
 

micrometers

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So what you're saying is, gun nuts have a reason to be stupid.

So my question is what the fuck is the anti gun nuts reason? Their far more retarded. Every time some idiot says they're not trying to take your guns, you have some other idiot trying to pass a bill to do exactly that.

lol, nice reasoning there.

*stupidity is excusable if caused by lead*
 
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