Gun Nuts probably suffer from lead poisoning

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micrometers

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Hey Karmy...if you ever actually decide to defend yourself point one of your tampons at them, that ought to work for you.

*breathes in lead fumes*

*becomes paranoid that faceless minority thugs will want to steal the $60 he keeps under his mattress*

*hugs $2k gun*

*breathes in more lead fumes*

*love*
 

utahraptor

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You never have to take the bait and insult each other. This was supposed to be a discussion about the potential danger to the user of using a known toxic substance as a projectile.
 
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Unheard

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Troll Troll Troll your boat, Karmy is a tool
Karmy fell out of the boat and drowned in the pool.
 

Iron Woode

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the troll is strong in this anti-gun nutter.

and it appears he went full retard.
 

kage69

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You're so disorganized in your thoughts.

Obviously no one hunts deer with shotguns, but the typical rifle shot used to kill deer often has a lead core. Because it's cheap. if you actually read the article, it went on about how venison donated by hunters has been found to have elevated levels of lead, and that hunters have 50% more lead in their system after eating deer they kill.

You sure you haven't breathed in too many lead fumes?


It only seems that way because you are ignorant of hunting and firearms. A layman and reactionary like you doesn't care about the distinctions between cheap varmint loads and those made for larger game, they're all bullets! why care?

No one hunts deer with shotguns? Are you familiar with the term buckshot? Are you aware that some states have laws where you can only use guns above a certain caliber, or shotguns for deer? Are you aware that shotguns by and large are much cheaper and easier to clean, maintain and replace than those nice walnut stock magnums with Leupolds?
A small fast bullet doesn't make much sense if you're shooting inside of 100yards and in thick brush.
Just so you know, the idea when hunting medium to big game is to have a bullet that mushrooms and stays together, penetrating and maintaining it's energy, causing a deep wound channel.

I'm not saying that lead isn't harmful. I am saying you don't know wtf you are talking about in regards to firearms and their use in hunting. You clearly have an axe to grind with firearms, even though in your own MotherJones link:

"Old bullets (or paint or gas or any other cause) leach lead into the soil; from there the metal gets into groundwater and plants and the bodies of animals."

What was that about reading the article?


Troll harder dude. If you want to warn people about the dangers of heavy metals, a thread on sushi might be more appropriate (even though it won't pair as well with the national tragedies of late, bummer).
 
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Phanuel

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You never have to take the bait and insult each other. This was supposed to be a discussion about the potential danger to the user of using a known toxic substance as a projectile.

Cite some sources of long term lead poisoning affecting recreational shooters and hunters. I haven't seen any.

This thread started off as a troll against gun owners calling them crazy due to lead poisoning. I've seen plenty of crazy, OP mainly, who clearly have no exposure to any lead.
 

micrometers

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Cite some sources of long term lead poisoning affecting recreational shooters and hunters. I haven't seen any.

This thread started off as a troll against gun owners calling them crazy due to lead poisoning. I've seen plenty of crazy, OP mainly, who clearly have no exposure to any lead.

I'm not calling them crazy. I'm calling them sick due to environmental factors such as lead. Which leads to dementia, aggression, paranoia, plenty of which you see in gun owners who seem more paranoid than most about killing an armed stranger like in an action movie.

Gee, if you're constantly handling a material that moves lead at both a high speed and high temperature, wouldn't you think some lead would get in the atmosphere and into your system? And the more you shoot, the more you inhale, which is why hunters do seem like the most sane of the gun culture, but the AR15 folks who go to the range and shoot hundreds of lead rounds seem to be the most unhinged.

Impulsivity -- notice how gun sales always shoot up after mass shootings? Those are impulse purchases. Plus, the impulsivity that results in gun owners committing suicide -- on an impulse.

But seriously, there's no reason for lead to be in ammo when we have alternatives. And that's not pro-gun or anti-gun.
 
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micrometers

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http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020353191_gunrangeleadxml.html

WOw

Chris Seavoy and Joe Schmidt say they were sent to remodel a Bellevue indoor gun range with no protective gear or instructions about how to stay safe from toxic lead dust. There was no decontamination area.

In the following weeks, Schmidt developed tremors in addition to the headaches, stomachaches, lost appetite, fatigue and irritability that he and Seavoy both experienced — symptoms consistent with but not proof of acute lead exposure.

In November, blood tests showed them with so much of the dangerous metal they had to be pulled off the job at Wade’s Eastside Guns.

The military is in the process of cleaning up, but civilian ranges will lag far behind. And they're so paranoid that they'd resist like crazy any EPA effort to clean it up, even though it would be good for them to not be exposed to so much lead.

Here's another

http://dfuse.us/lead.html

Lead bullets, including .22s (even if coated) should be handled very carefully. Once you pick them up, handle, shoot them, you must wash your hands before you eat, smoke or drink. .22 slugs are actually worse than typical hard cast centerfire type lead slugs. I personally know a fellow who hunted with .22s for years and carried the lead bullets in his left front pocket. He has since discontinued the practice and been treated for lead poisoning. He also no longer possesses his left testicle. He lost it due to lead poisoning and the path of introduction was through his genitals. Second, cleaning guns, the residue on the gun and in the bore will contain lead, when you use solvents, you increase the risk of introducing lead into your blood stream by handling, especially if you have cuts on your hands.

and

FMJ ammo and lead slugs both introduce substantial amounts of airborne lead vapors (the absolute worst form) into the air. FMJ has exposed lead bases and the hot gases vaporize lead at the base of the bullet. How many of you have looked at the base of a fired lead or jacketed bullet? The granular and sometimes fractured appearance indicates gas cutting. Only TMJ (total metal jacket) or plated bullets eliminate lead vapors.

Kidding aside, I really think it would be good for the gun community to shift to non-lead ammunition.
 
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BoberFett

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Impulsivity -- notice how gun sales always shoot up after mass shootings? Those are impulse purchases. Plus, the impulsivity that results in gun owners committing suicide -- on an impulse.

Ever notice how those people you claim that don't want to take our guns start talking about taking away all guns right after mass shootings?
 

blankslate

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The typical M-16 round is fully jacketed (covered in copper) so unless the vapor can escape that there's probably no issue.

I'm pretty sure that the 9mm rounds used in the 9mm pistols issued to officers and high ranking NCO's are fully jacketed too. Although I heard they were considering moving to another firearm for the Officers and I don't know those details.
 

micrometers

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The typical M-16 round is fully jacketed (covered in copper) so unless the vapor can escape that there's probably no issue.

I'm pretty sure that the 9mm rounds used in the 9mm pistols issued to officers and high ranking NCO's are fully jacketed too. Although I heard they were considering moving to another firearm for the Officers and I don't know those details.

The link says that full metal jackets are actually worse than other types. Only Total metal jackets minimize it.
 

Agent11

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You know how many times gun nuts ADHD the whole, "they're comin to take away our guns" thing? and how no matter how often people explain carefully that they're not, they don't seem to register but instead just shout again, "they're comin' to take our guns"?

It's not paranoia if it's true.
 

Doppel

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Kidding aside, I really think it would be good for the gun community to shift to non-lead ammunition.

kidding aside meaning you are admitting you were trolling? Your opinion on guns is worthless. You think shotguns fires lots of "shells" so you don't even know what a shotgun shell is, you have no idea what is used for hunting, what lead exposure does and doesn't do and anything you have learned on the issue is the result of mad and haphazard googling, desperately trying to come up to speed to minimize the gross ignorance of your arguments.
 
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sourn

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lol, nice reasoning there.

*stupidity is excusable if caused by lead*

Well I shouldn't be surprised that went right over your head you retard.

But just keep trying to spin shit in your favor.. Though I'll still be waiting for an answer on why you're such a fucking retard. My guess it has to be the lead paint chips you chewed on as a kid.

If you're gonna refute my claims I want actual test studies done on people who own/shoot firearms compared to those who don't. Not just some baseless claims that says people who shoot must be stupid derp derp.

I hope I just didn't make your head explode, no reason to give your mommy more work to do. Cleaning up your drool probably hard enough on her.
 

Puddle Jumper

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Kidding aside, I really think it would be good for the gun community to shift to non-lead ammunition.

Don't worry plenty of us have crates of steel core Russian surplus ammo for our eastern bloc guns. Interesting enough steel core ammo is also essentially armor piercing so many indoor ranges will not allow it.
 
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