Gun question for the Gurus

[blankslate]

One thing I don't agree with is states allowing private party transfers with no paperwork necessary. This is just insanely stupid. You have to submit to a background check to buy a new gun but if you go over here on a Saturday this guy will sell you a "used" gun with no background check or paperwork whatsoever. Makes no sense at all.

Well, even though many of my social views are best described as liberal I do like to shoot firearms and I can admire well made examples of them.

However, I don't believe the 2nd Amendment was all about personal private gun rights without being part of a militia, but it was decided otherwise by recognized authority.

I think there is a balance that can be found between anyone being able to buy a gun and an outright ban on privately owned firearms. I don't think it will be easy to find though considering the number of people on polar opposite sides of the issue.

 

[AstroManLuca]

I know that in Minnesota, you have to get a permit (which is very easy to get) to buy a handgun, but for long guns you don't need one.

 

[Agent11]

all firearms require the same amount of paperwork. except those made before 1898, but then you aren't using them for self defense, or much of anything else.


also, wtf is up with clarifying this isn't for suicide? why would you even mention that unless you have a history of posting about it on here (not familiar with you). That just sends up red flags immediately along not wanting to "jump through hoops".

In Oregon person to person sales requires no paperwork, at all. As it should be in my opinion.

If you commit a crime with a gun you get tough mandatory minimums, if you are a felon with a gun you go to prison just for possessing it.

There is no reason to infringe upon the rights of lawful gun owners, there are already mechanisms in place to deal with people who break the law.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

In NY state you can buy a rifle or shotgun without a permit, you just have to submit to an instant background check pretty much like every other state. You do however have to have a carry permit to buy a handgun in NY state. In New York city proper you have to have a permit to buy a long gun or a handgun. And in order to have/carry a handgun in the city you have to have a NY state concealed carry license plus a special permit issued by the NYPD which is next to impossible to get unless you are a PI or a member of LE

 

[Agent11]

As far as choice of gun it really depends on what you want to shoot.

 

[BladeVenom]

Get a Daisy Red Ryder.

 

[pontifex]

In Oregon person to person sales requires no paperwork, at all. As it should be in my opinion.

If you commit a crime with a gun you get tough mandatory minimums, if you are a felon with a gun you go to prison just for possessing it.

There is no reason to infringe upon the rights of lawful gun owners, there are already mechanisms in place to deal with people who break the law.

i was going buy the assumption that he/she would be buying new from a dealer.

 

[xj0hnx]

oh fuck off... you know exactly what i meant.

the op is looking for a 1st gun. he/she isnt going to be buying a select fire gun

What the PO is looking for doesn't change that what you said is false, so you fuck off. As well as it not being true from state to state, as different states have different requirements.

 

[Tiamat]

In nys, rifle and shotgun are easiest to buy. However, do be mindful that ammo costs add up quickly. Also, I recommend you take some gun safety classes usually offered at ranges or gun stores for $50 multi hour lecture pertaining ccw and/or self defense in general. They will talk about local laws and what to expect if you are forced to defend yourself in terms of consequences. Also try to have a shooting instructor help you with basic fundamentals.

 

[pontifex]

What the PO is looking for doesn't change that what you said is false, so you fuck off. As well as it not being true from state to state, as different states have different requirements.

federal paperwork is all the same no matter what you buy, form 4473 (except NFA firearms or firearms made before 1898, which i still stand by my comment of not making any sense in this context). Why try to confuse him/her even more?


of course other paperwork, licenses, or permits may vary by state. This is obvious with just the smallest amount of research...

 

[JulesMaximus]

In Oregon person to person sales requires no paperwork, at all. As it should be in my opinion.

If you commit a crime with a gun you get tough mandatory minimums, if you are a felon with a gun you go to prison just for possessing it.

There is no reason to infringe upon the rights of lawful gun owners, there are already mechanisms in place to deal with people who break the law.

I own guns and personally, I'd rather deal with a little paperwork than the good faith that the complete stranger in the parking lot I sold my gun to wasn't a felon.

These laws make no sense. You aren't selling an iPod or a TV... you're selling a lethal weapon for fuck sake.

 

[Sluggo]

I'd rather deal with a little paperwork than the good faith that the complete stranger in the parking lot I sold my gun to wasn't a felon.

Absolutely, way too many sociopaths around these days. I damn sure wouldn't want to be the guy who sold a gun at the Starbucks to someone who went on a shooting rampage 2 hours later.

I don't even buy a guy with any intentions of ever selling it, I figure I will die with every one I ever bought.

 

[harrkev]

Back to your original question... Do you want a long gun, or something hand-held??? What do you want to do with it? Target shoot? Carry for self-defense?

If you want something to just shoot and have fun with, the venerable 22 LR is the way to go. Inexpensive to buy, inexpensive to shoot, as ammo is available for well under a nickel a round. The recoil is very low (almost non-existent). As a plus, if you get a bolt-action or single-shot rifle, you really do not need hearing protection while shooting (as long as nobody is near you shooting a 30-06).

If you want a rifle, a bolt-action or single-shot is really the best for a beginner. Mechanically, they are dead-simple. Easy to clean, and easy to maintain.

If you want a handgun, then I strongly recommend a revolver. They are dead simple to operate, and you do not have to take them apart to clean them. If you go for a semi-automatic (Glock, for example), then you have to worry about pulling back the slide -- which might be somewhat difficult depending on your upper-body strength. They are also mechanically more complicated, and must be partially disassembled for a proper cleaning. Disassembling the Glock, in particular, requires pulling the trigger, which is a bad idea if it is not unloaded first :0 -- this has happened, and the pictures are not pretty.

Now , if you want something that you can also use for personal defense, I would strongly recommend a .38 special revolver. Reasonable power, reasonable price, and simple to use. For a home-use long-arm, a 20 gauge shotgun would be a good idea. In general, a rifle is NOT a good home-defense weapon. Rifle bullets can penetrate SEVERAL WALLS if you happen to miss your target. You do not want to miss the bad guy and hit your neighbor (an exception can me made for a rifle using a pistol bullet, but those are less common).