Gun question

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Pepsei
home defense? nothing works better than the sound of cocking a shotgun.... so get one. and at close range, you don't even have to be a good shot.

WRONG... and WRONG

Originally posted by: Baked
If she's scared of intruders, there's a good chance she'll shoot herself if a rapist sneaks into the house. She's better off with a taser or a dog.

Also false.

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
I'd go for a .22 revolver. Sure, it isn't all that powerful but it will get the job done. Revolvers are much more reliable than regular pistols and a smaller caliber would kick less (and thus be more tolerable to use/practice with). Also, have you noted the cost of bullets lately? Go for something that is cheap to buy in bulk.

More bad advice, although not as terrible as the others.

 

[LTC8K6]

Like I said before the counterstrike kiddies came in....a revolver is harder than an automatic to reload.

I have never played counterstrike and I'll bet I could reload this as fast as you can reload whatever you have.

http://home.att.net/~ltc8k9/VA4.JPG

http://home.att.net/~ltc8k9/VA5.JPG

If not, then I have options.

http://home.att.net/~ltc8k9/VA10.JPG

 

[LTC8K6]

wide shot pattern = accuracy is not an issue
won't really penetrate through walls = good thing

Nope, no wide pattern at household distances. You must aim properly to hit your target just like any other firearm.

Buckshot, which you need to kill people, will penetrate a lot of walls.

 

[LTC8K6]

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3_2.htm

 

[Fiat1]

Ruger LCP= $ 280-310
Kel-TEC P-3AT= $ 250-280
both are pocket pistols less recoil for the lady..

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6

wide shot pattern = accuracy is not an issue
won't really penetrate through walls = good thing

Nope, no wide pattern at household distances. You must aim properly to hit your target just like any other firearm.

Buckshot, which you need to kill people, will penetrate a lot of walls.

Yep. You can always tell who has no real firearm experience when you hear these shotgun myths.

Folks, an 18" barrel shotgun (the shortest legal length) firing buckshot will have NO significant spread at 50 feet or less.

And buckshot WILL go through walls. A lot of them.

 

[tyler811]

People dont kill people guns do............. or is it guns dont kill guns people do...............or is it people dont kill guns liberals do.............or is it guns dont kill people republicans do with their 150 rds clips.................or is it fuck it never mind.


I took my nieces shooting skeet when they were younger. Taught them how to load/unload, shoot and carry a shotgun and they had a blast.


OHHHHHH thats it guns dont kill people ignorant fucking people do when they have no formal handling instructions or classes to know how to use the fuckin thing or are even taught the simple basics. They also leave them laying around loaded out in the open so kids can handle them and shoot themselves or someone else while they are screwing around.


Ya know it's kinda of funny how the GOP wants everyone to have/know to use a handgun so they don't blow their own head off but yet want to keep them stupid about birth control. "Why yes Junior guns are the only birth control you need. When you see that damn stork a bringing that baby just blow the sum bitch out of the sky. Problem solved"

The Democrats want teach everyone how hard that little tadpole swims up stream to poke that egg yet don't want anyone to know to shoot a gun or own one. "Why Edward don't play with that gun it might jump out your hands and shoot you you in the groin then you won't have anymore kids then 3 you have by your old girlfriends"

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Baked
If she's scared of intruders, there's a good chance she'll shoot herself if a rapist sneaks into the house. She's better off with a taser or a dog.

WTF :laugh:

Dont tase the dog bro, dont tase the dog

 

[LTC8K6]

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot17.htm

House doors and various rounds...

 

[Pegun]

Originally posted by: Champ


hmmm...I'd assume you would be a fan of the walther PPK

I certainly am! I tried one out and it was an awesome gun with little kick and felt great.

 

[rgwalt]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: rgwalt

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: rgwalt
...For pure home defense, I would recommend a revolver in .38 special (which should also take .357 magnum rounds)...

A .357 magnum will chamber .38 special rounds, but a .38 special will not chamber a .357.

Consider a 20 gauge shotgun in an 18" or 20" barrel for your GF. She won't get recoil shy (as she might with a 12 gauge), and the shorter barrel will be reasonably easy to handle indoors. Even a 20 gauge shotgun firing heavy birdshot is easily more effective than any pistol round - at least any pistol round your GF would be willing to fire a second time. Do Not listen to anyone who says you don't need to aim a shotgun. Even fired from the shortest legal barrel, shot doesn't spread that much at the ranges you would encounter in indoor self defense. Practice is required.

Sorry, that is what I meant. Thanks for the correction.

Agreed on the necessity to aim the shotgun. However, I do not agree on the effectiveness of birdshot against an invader. Unless you are in very close quarters (under 5 yards) bird shot is going to spread and begin to lose penetrating power. Why go with bird shot when you can get 00 buckshot loads? (for the OP, pronounced "double ought").

I should have stated that better; I was not recommending birdshot as an ultimate self defense round. I just said that heavy birdshot (BBB and larger) would be more effective than most "comfortable" handgun rounds at typical indoor self defense ranges, which are 5 yards or less. Buckshot obviously would be even more effective.

Birdshot is NOT an effective round against a human target. Even at point blank ranges it's not powerful enough to kill effectively. I read a coronors report of a guy that shot himself 4 times with birdshoot and finally died of blood loss.
1st shot was under the chin. It took his jaw off and knocked him out, he came to, put the barrel to his chest and blew off some skin. He walked 30 yards to sit at a tree and tried again and flinched and shot himself in the gut. The last shot was in the chest again and he past out. The final cause of death was due to blood loss from the wounds. If point blank in the face won't kill then it isn't a good choice for self defence.

My God, that sounds like an experiment with quantum suicide gone horribly wrong.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot17.htm

House doors and various rounds...

Cool sight. See my post earlier about shotgun ammo. I always thought 00 buck was the way to go but it seems you will get better results with 0 or 1 buck.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Handguns are still superior. A good revolver can be kept loaded, they have internal safeties to prevent accidental discharge if dropped, no external safeties to fumble with, they are easy to load, they are concealable and easy to bring to arms, and they have a long heavy trigger pull to discharge the weapon to prevent accidental discharge. A shotgun is none of those things.

Yeah, a shotgun is a great weapon if you're clearing a house in counterstrike but if you are asleep in your bed and someone kicks in your bedroom door it is pretty much useless.

I could never get my wife to fire a shotgun...not more than once anyway.

Well mine is within arms reach (not under the bed), ready to fire, in a place that I've practiced with. Same with the handgun. I'm sure it's personal preference but I'd go to the shotgun first, the handgun is a backup.

 

[nick1985]

Ended up going with a Taurus .40

I tried a lot of pistols, but very few felt good in my hands (they are rather large). The Taurus .40 felt great. Cant wait to pick it up soon

 

[randalee]

Originally posted by: Fiat1
Ruger LCP= $ 280-310
Kel-TEC P-3AT= $ 250-280
both are pocket pistols less recoil for the lady..

Do you have either of these? Have you actually used one?

They are NOT FUN to shoot. It turned me off to ever wanting to practice with one. They plain hurt.

 

[FallenHero]

Make sure you both have your FOID cards and take a couple of the above recommendations from above. Plenty of guns are available to rent at Megasports in Plainfield. PM me if you want more info.

 

[sourceninja]

The new walther PK380 looks amazing for a small low recoil defense weapon. I also love my Walther PPS in 9mm.

Personally, for home defense and ease of maintenance I would recommend going with a revolver. Taurus makes good revolvers at a cheap price (I would rather have a S&W, but the price is much higher). Pick up a .357 and shoot .38's at the range for practice. Keep it loaded with .357 at the house and practice with that ammo as well now and then so you know how it will shoot. My wife has no problems with a .357 even though it scared her shitless the first time.

So I'd but two firearms. First a 22. This will give you tons of trigger time to work on the principles and mechanics of shooting. I love ruger's for this .You can get a ruger mark II or III used for next to nothing. If you want a more "gun" looking 22 try a revolver, a walther p22, or a sig mosquito. Then get a defense weapon AFTER you have gotten good at the trigger mechanics. Even with a 9mm (which is my preferred carry round) you are going to develop bad habits if that is your first weapon (flinch responses, anticipation of the shot, etc).

A 22 is also fine for defense. Don't let anyone discount it. Israeli Mossad carries 22LR pistols as do their sky marshals. They have virtually no recoil and can be controlled easily in rapid fire even by a child. Hollow point or mini mags (higher powered) 22's exist and will help maximize the damage. I personally wouldn't choose to carry a 22 given other options. But I do own a 22 and I'd much rather have that loaded in my hand then nothing at all. I am quite confident I could put all the rounds anywhere I choose.

If you are dead set on a 9mm pistol. You can't go wrong with Walther (the P99), Springfield Armory (XD9), the S&W M&P9 or the ever recommended glock 17. I'm a huge walther fan myself. While I recommended taurus for revolvers I personally can't stand their semi-autos.

I'm in the fan club of best home defense is a shotgun. However shotguns are not as fun to shoot and sometimes are hard to find a range that will let you shoot one without a slug barrel. And you want to shoot what you plan to use to defend yourself.

if I can stress one thing the most, it's shoot the ammo you plan to defend yourself with regularly.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: nick1985
Ended up going with a Taurus .40

I tried a lot of pistols, but very few felt good in my hands (they are rather large). The Taurus .40 felt great. Cant wait to pick it up soon

Millennium PT series?

 

[Orsorum]

I like the S&W M&P 9mm compact, myself. I carry that whenever possible. If I can open carry, I'll carry my Springfield Armory 1911A1, but that's pretty rare.

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: sourceninja

if I can stress one thing the most, it's shoot the ammo you plan to defend yourself with regularly.

kinda hard when you can't find it on shelf and when you do, it costs an arm and leg....

haven't really looked lately (for 9mm or .380) in the past 2 months)...has it gotten in a better??

 

[sourceninja]

I can get 9mm when ever I want around here. It's pricy at anywhere from 12-15 a box for range ammo and 18-24 for defense ammo.

380 is hard to find, not because of rarity, it's because no one wants to stock it. The biggest dealer here says no one wants 380 so he wont buy it.

I don't mean that you need to shoot nothing but Hornaday JHP at the range. I mean that you should shoot a magazine or two every few months just to remind yourself on how the firearm really handles. There is usually a huge difference in self defense loads and range loads.

For example, if all I ever shot out of my 357 was 38's the recoil on a 357 is going to be very surprising. Now this effect is weaker on my XD 9mm, but on my walther PPS (my everday carry) I can notice a huge difference between range ammo and my JHP.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: sourceninja
I can get 9mm when ever I want around here. It's pricy at anywhere from 12-15 a box for range ammo and 18-24 for defense ammo.

380 is hard to find, not because of rarity, it's because no one wants to stock it. The biggest dealer here says no one wants 380 so he wont buy it.

I don't mean that you need to shoot nothing but Hornaday JHP at the range. I mean that you should shoot a magazine or two every few months just to remind yourself on how the firearm really handles. There is usually a huge difference in self defense loads and range loads.

For example, if all I ever shot out of my 357 was 38's the recoil on a 357 is going to be very surprising. Now this effect is weaker on my XD 9mm, but on my walther PPS (my everday carry) I can notice a huge difference between range ammo and my JHP.

thats odd because the latest American Rifleman magazine had an article about the ammo shortage that stated .380 has seen a huge surge in popularity, especially with some of the newer compact .380s like Ruger's LCP.

I have probably close to 2500 rounds of 9mm. I would just buy cases every now and then. Last time I tried to buy from Dick's (they usually had the best prices over anywhere) both stores I went to were completely sold out. My dad said he hasn't even seen any ads for 9mm ammo lately. They used to have them every week.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: randalee

Originally posted by: Fiat1
Ruger LCP= $ 280-310
Kel-TEC P-3AT= $ 250-280
both are pocket pistols less recoil for the lady..

Do you have either of these? Have you actually used one?

They are NOT FUN to shoot. It turned me off to ever wanting to practice with one. They plain hurt.

lol, i was just going to reply the same thing. I haven't shot any of those models but I do have a bersa thunder 380 which is a small 380. That thing hurts way more than my 2 9mm pistols.

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: sourceninja
I can get 9mm when ever I want around here. It's pricy at anywhere from 12-15 a box for range ammo and 18-24 for defense ammo.

380 is hard to find, not because of rarity, it's because no one wants to stock it. The biggest dealer here says no one wants 380 so he wont buy it.

I don't mean that you need to shoot nothing but Hornaday JHP at the range. I mean that you should shoot a magazine or two every few months just to remind yourself on how the firearm really handles. There is usually a huge difference in self defense loads and range loads.

For example, if all I ever shot out of my 357 was 38's the recoil on a 357 is going to be very surprising. Now this effect is weaker on my XD 9mm, but on my walther PPS (my everday carry) I can notice a huge difference between range ammo and my JHP.

.380 is hard to come by because all of the manufacturers are using their lines to pump out 9mm rounds...both rounds are the same diameter, so they are making a ton more 9mm than .380 right now...

In North Dallas, i just checked two walmarts and academy and no 9mm or .380.

I picked up a ruger lcp while I was at Academy though...should be good as a carry weapon once I find some ammo for it...

beretta 92fs in the upper left, Kahr MK9 in the upper right, Kahr PM9 bottom left and new ruger in bottom right

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[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: sourceninja
I can get 9mm when ever I want around here. It's pricy at anywhere from 12-15 a box for range ammo and 18-24 for defense ammo.

380 is hard to find, not because of rarity, it's because no one wants to stock it. The biggest dealer here says no one wants 380 so he wont buy it.

I don't mean that you need to shoot nothing but Hornaday JHP at the range. I mean that you should shoot a magazine or two every few months just to remind yourself on how the firearm really handles. There is usually a huge difference in self defense loads and range loads.

For example, if all I ever shot out of my 357 was 38's the recoil on a 357 is going to be very surprising. Now this effect is weaker on my XD 9mm, but on my walther PPS (my everday carry) I can notice a huge difference between range ammo and my JHP.

has nothing to do with the public not wanting it, the sig P232 is extremely in demand right now...just that other rounds are more profitable and more in demand to make.