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[BAMAVOO]

Originally posted by: pontifex
anyone know anything or hear anything about the Taurus PT 24/7 pro?
I have a Taurus PT99 and I love that thing so I'm not a stranger to Taurus.

The 24/7 is an awesome gun! It fits and feels better than any gun (to me), plus 17 shots of 9mm is sweet as well.

 

[Fiat1]

I just purchased this for my ccw and all I can say is that is one great gun. Maybe you should take a look at one.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: jpeyton
XDs are overrated.

i think so too after i shot my dad's tonight. i didn't see what was so special about them.
looking at maybe a Taurus 24/7 Pro in 9mm now. trying to find some good reviews.

i don't know what else to get. Sigs and such look nice but are expensive.

Look into a police trade-in sig, they can be had for fairly cheap.

You could also do it right from the beginning and get a springfield armory Mil-Spec or Loaded 1911a1

If you were not impressed with the XD, than you are not going to be impressed with a Glock.

Smith & Wesson's M&P line of auto pistols are very nice as well.

already have a springfield mil-spec 1911. i suck horribly with it though.

The sights on the Mil-Spec Springfield are the infinitesimally small GI sights. IIRC, I warned you about that before you bought it. You also can't limp wrist a 1911.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

Originally posted by: pontifex
anyone know anything or hear anything about the Taurus PT 24/7 pro?
I have a Taurus PT99 and I love that thing so I'm not a stranger to Taurus.

The 24/7 is an awesome gun! It fits and feels better than any gun (to me), plus 17 shots of 9mm is sweet as well.

i've found 1 professional review and several reviews on forums by regular users and everyone says it fits great. i guess its because of the special grip it has that mold to your hand.

i've looked at a bunch of reviews for the 24/7 pro and the CZ P-01 and it doesn't seem like I can go wrong with either one. The only problem I may have is finding a store that has them in stock so i can check them out before buying.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Another vote for the 1911.
If you want a fancy gee look at my I'm a trendy Mac lover, buy a Glock or an XD, M&P or HK. If you want a reliable gun that will never let you down, get a 1911.

a 1911 was by my grandfathers side through WW2 and Korea and it served him well.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Another vote for the 1911.
If you want a fancy gee look at my I'm a trendy Mac lover, buy a Glock or an XD, M&P or HK. If you want a reliable gun that will never let you down, get a 1911.

a 1911 was by my grandfathers side through WW2 and Korea and it served him well.

I already said on the 1st page that i have a 1911, an SA Mil-Spec...
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[GRIFFIN1]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Another vote for the 1911.
If you want a fancy gee look at my I'm a trendy Mac lover, buy a Glock or an XD, M&P or HK. If you want a reliable gun that will never let you down, get a 1911.

a 1911 was by my grandfathers side through WW2 and Korea and it served him well.

I agree with you 100% if I reverse everything you said. My Colt 1911 is the least reliable gun I own, but it by far the best looking gun I own. When the zombies come, I'll be running around with a Glock.

 

[pontifex]

also, someone posted a chart that shows why your shooting is off. anyone have a link to that again?

 

[Kelvrick]

http://www.reloadbench.com/pdf.html

 

[CallMeJoe]

Another vote for S&W M&P. Bud's Gun Shop has great prices on the 9mm and .40 - you just need to arrange for an FFL holder in your area to receive it for you (for a small transfer fee). Bud's has instructions on interstate ordering on their site.
If you want a 1911, check out the new one from Taurus (also on that Bud's page) A great value for a more-than your-basic-GI-model pistol.
FWIW, my son has a .40 Taurus 24/7 Pro for his daily carry piece, and loves it. I like the M&P grip & trigger better, YMMV.

.40's advantage over the 9mm is the availability of heavier rounds than are available for the 9, without the extra price of the .45 ACP. 165 or 180 grains penetrates better than the 125 to 147 grain 9mm premium ammo. 9mm is, however, the least expensive ammo out there in any halfway serious caliber.

 

[OFFascist]

Just practice more with the 1911.

I too own a mil-spec and carry it. I am way more accurate with it than I am with my Glock 17 and the Glock trigger sucks too.

 

[pontifex]

odd...that bob's guns place has the 24/7 pro for like $349 or something but my local shop seems to want over $500 for it. they're going to call me tomorrow with an exact price but that just seems really odd.

 

[MrBond]

Originally posted by: pontifex
odd...that bob's guns place has the 24/7 pro for like $349 or something but my local shop seems to want over $500 for it. they're going to call me tomorrow with an exact price but that just seems really odd.

Well, you're going to have shipping and FFL transfer fees (ask your local shop what they are). FFL transfer fees vary widely, I've seen anywhere from $25-50+ for them.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: pontifex
odd...that bob's guns place has the 24/7 pro for like $349 or something but my local shop seems to want over $500 for it. they're going to call me tomorrow with an exact price but that just seems really odd.

IIRC, Bud's Gun Shop charges $20 S&H, and you should be able to find an FFL holder locally who will receive it in for you for a $20 to $30 transfer fee. In a lot of the country, it's hard to match their prices, even with the shipping and transfer fees added.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: Kelvrick
http://www.reloadbench.com/pdf.html

those are targets you can print out. this was some kind of chart that shows why you're shooting low, high, left, or right.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: pontifex
those are targets you can print out. this was some kind of chart that shows why you're shooting low, high, left, or right.

I think you're looking for This.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: Ephemeral


I will never understand why people think less than five hundreths of an inch suddenly makes it a sledgehammer.

And I never understood how people can be so ignorant as to believe the difference between 9mm and .40 is five hundreths of an inch. Bullet diameter has little to do with anything. A bullets stopping power has everything to do with its mass and velocity. The .40 cartridge is significantly larger than a 9mm and it's tossing a heavier bullet FASTER. An ideal .40S&W can deliver anywhere between 25-50% more energy to the target compared to a 9mm in non + chambering.

Stay out of threads you don't understand.

 

[Kelvrick]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: pontifex
those are targets you can print out. this was some kind of chart that shows why you're shooting low, high, left, or right.

I think you're looking for This.

Which are also on the link I provided. Do a text search for "lefthanded" or "righthanded."

 

[Ephemeral]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Ephemeral


I will never understand why people think less than five hundreths of an inch suddenly makes it a sledgehammer.

And I never understood how people can be so ignorant as to believe the difference between 9mm and .40 is five hundreths of an inch. Bullet diameter has little to do with anything. A bullets stopping power has everything to do with its mass and velocity. The .40 cartridge is significantly larger than a 9mm and it's tossing a heavier bullet FASTER. An ideal .40S&W can deliver anywhere between 25-50% more energy to the target compared to a 9mm in non + chambering.

Stay out of threads you don't understand.

I wasn't arguing energy transfer; I was placing an emphasis on shot placement. People get way too caught up in the caliber size debate, and going from a 9mm to a .40, doesn't mean your attacker will stop dead in his tracks when shot. People react differently to being shot, from being unaware that they have been shot, to simply crumpling to the ground almost instantly, the difference between the 9mm and .40 ALONE does not determine this. The best round out of the two is the one you are the most competent with. "Stopping power," is how quickly you can accurately hit center mass, increasing the likelihood of a hit to a vital organ. Thanks for the rant though, no really.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: Kelvrick
Which are also on the link I provided. Do a text search for "lefthanded" or "righthanded."

I missed them on your link, didn't scroll down far enough.

On the caliber argument, (GagHalfrunt and Ephemeral)you're both right. .40 S&W typically has better penetration and is more likely to get to a vital organ or CNS if you can make the shot with that round. On the other hand, there is no handgun "magic bullet" which will consistently produce the ephemeral "one shot stop". Even .50 AE has to hit just the right spot, or the bad guy keeps coming.

 

[Ephemeral]

I know there's no consistent, "one shot," stop . Competency should also include the ability to quickly and accurately produce follow-up shots if needed. And yes, there is greater penetration in .40 over standard 9mm, which is why I mentioned using +P or +P+ originally. When I carry my SP-01 I use Gold Dot 124gr +P.

 

[JDMnAR1]

Originally posted by: pontifex
odd...that bob's guns place has the 24/7 pro for like $349 or something but my local shop seems to want over $500 for it. they're going to call me tomorrow with an exact price but that just seems really odd.

If you have an Academy B&M local to you, go check there. I was just ogling the 24/7 there this weekend - both in 9mm and .40 - and the price seemed decent (under $400 IIRC). They don't have it on their website, so can't tell you exactly what it was. They do have the CZ P-01 on their website though.

 

[fisheerman]

We have a couple of dealers here in VA that only sell at gun shows and are dirt cheap in price so i guess it depends on were you are located.

 

[Specop 007]

Gun show deals seem to be few and far between. You need to know what you want and what market prices are, because it seems most of the deals arent on common "obvious" items.

If your interested in older stuff I *highly* recommend an C&R FFL license. Its 30 bucks for 3 years. It pays for itself almost on the first rifle you buy as C&R stuff can be shipped directly to your door saving you an FFL transfer fee. Also, you can use the license to buy things at a discount at Brownells and I think midwayusa. Also, a few vendors will only sell to FFL holders and have very good prices.

Well worth it to get one.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Gun show deals seem to be few and far between. You need to know what you want and what market prices are, because it seems most of the deals arent on common "obvious" items.

If your interested in older stuff I *highly* recommend an C&R FFL license. Its 30 bucks for 3 years. It pays for itself almost on the first rifle you buy as C&R stuff can be shipped directly to your door saving you an FFL transfer fee. Also, you can use the license to buy things at a discount at Brownells and I think midwayusa. Also, a few vendors will only sell to FFL holders and have very good prices.

Well worth it to get one.

The C&R license has an almost supernatural ability to empty your bank accounts though.