UberNeuman
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Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Originally posted by: amddude
Originally posted by: NeoV
jesus christ princeofwands...
someone suggests, that maybe, just maybe - showing up at a soccer game played by children with a gun holstered on your hip - CC permit or no - is perhaps just a bit inappropriate, and you leap to
"And I say you don't have a single fact to support that statement, and so you are advocating the overthrow of liberty and feedom, as well as completely ignoring Constitutional and statutory rule, for an emotional and ignorant outburst. "
that's a stretch, even for you.
There are so many people that have a mental block when it comes to the 'I believe in gun rights but it's absurd to carry a gun <insert place here>'. Violence happens everywhere. Some say guns don't belong in churches. People get robbed in churches. Why would a soccer game be sacred? Nutjobs and criminals are everywhere. Remove head from sand.
So why does it need to sit in a holster on her hip? Sure, it might be legal, but why not just hide the thing and use it if necessary?
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Perhaps, if Timothy McVeigh wasn't bullied as a child then he wouldn't acted as he did...
Originally posted by: amddude
If you were a criminal looking for victims or some kind of crazy, do you:
A) mess with people on the soccer field with the lady who has the gun
B) find trouble elsewhere
Seems obvious?
Originally posted by: amddude
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Perhaps, if Timothy McVeigh wasn't bullied as a child then he wouldn't acted as he did...
lolwut
Originally posted by: amddude
If you were a criminal looking for victims or some kind of crazy, do you:
A) mess with people on the soccer field with the lady who has the gun
B) find trouble elsewhere
Seems obvious?
Originally posted by: spidey07
PrinceofWands
We may disagree on a whole lotta shit, but I would be very happy to have you as my neighbor. I'm lucky as every neighbor within a few hundred yards feels the same as you.
Originally posted by: spidey07
PrinceofWands
We may disagree on a whole lotta shit, but I would be very happy to have you as my neighbor. I'm lucky as every neighbor within a few hundred yards feels the same as you.
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
So, if we are to take the OP's suggestion to its logical conclusion, then it means that Columbine killers wouldn't have acted as they did if they weren't picked on....
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Sad news.
Lebanon City police tell CBS 21 News they are investigating the death of a couple. Tonight, police say they found 31 year old Melanie Hain and 33 year old Scott Hain dead inside their home on S. Second Avenue. Police say it looks like a murder-suicide. CBS 21 news has interviewed Melanie Hain in the past. You may remember her from a story we did when she wore a gun on her hip to her child's soccer game. Police say the death investigation is ongoing and autopsies have been scheduled.
Who knows what actually caused it, but it's still sad. I sent a letter of support encouragement when it was all going on. Wish I could have done more. 8-(
If it does end up being linked to them being ostracized and all the other negative fallout it be a galvanizing factor in promoting a societal change in how we view rights, and how we respond as communities to disagreements over them.
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: NeoV
more completely irrelevant spew from spidey
you don't think the site of a woman, not in a police uniform - sporting a gun on her hip might cause some reactions AT A CHILDREN'S SOCCER GAME?
do you think - I don't know, I'm going out on a limb here - do you think it's possible it might - just might - alert or even scare a child or two? Is that really out of the realm of possible outcomes for you? Is that not, gasp - a possible normal reaction?
That's the parent's fault for the irrational fear of a gun.
Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
Originally posted by: inspire
Unless prohibited by law, she had the right. Considering that the woman had her CCW re-instated, she was obviously not breaking any law, so therefore, according to the Constitution of the United States of America, she had the right. Calling everyone who doesn't agree with you're viewpoint a moron is just flat out ignorant.
Reasonable parents don't freak out over guns, but I can understand a certain amount of alarm. Her insistence to exercise her rights is legal and justified. There have not been details as to who killed who or why.
A diagram would be helpful, maybe then you'd actually think about the retarded shit you post before hitting 'reply'.
Physician, heal thyself.
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: inspire
Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Please tell me how expressing ones rights is narcissim and how that type of mentality would make one want to commit suicide?
Apparently you are projecting your feelings as you don't actually know what the person in the article was feeling.
She had no "right" to bring a gun to a private event. I believe any sane person would agree it's stupid to openly carry a weapon at a children's sporting event, and any reasonable parent would object to this conduct. I see her insistence on the issue as entirely self-absorbed and crazy, and I also see a murder-suicide with children in the house as a self-absorbed and crazy act. Do I have to draw you a diagram or something?
Unless prohibited by law, she had the right. Considering that the woman had her CCW re-instated, she was obviously not breaking any law, so therefore, according to the Constitution of the United States of America, she had the right. Calling everyone who doesn't agree with you're viewpoint a moron is just flat out ignorant.
Reasonable parents don't freak out over guns, but I can understand a certain amount of alarm. Her insistence to exercise her rights is legal and justified. There have not been details as to who killed who or why.
A diagram would be helpful, maybe then you'd actually think about the retarded shit you post before hitting 'reply'.
Have you seen parents at their kid's sporting events? For some reason, half of them think their kid is going to be a superstar and they go nuts (and sometimes violent) at the refs and other parents when things don't go their way.
This lady didn't seem like the sane type to begin with.
Originally posted by: StinkyPinky
You actually think it's a good idea to not only bring a gun to a kids soccer game, but to also have it visible?
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
so no.
as has been covered in the thread repeated, you can be 100% legally right and a 100% jackass. The dead lady is a perfect example.
to use another analogy, you have the freedom of speech, but you should yell bomb on an airplane or fire in a crowded theatre.
Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
The community can not have expectations different than what the law allows. Or rather, they can, but they can do NOTHING when those expectations are not met.
I note you still have yet to address my point. I gather, by virtue of your failure to respond, that you believe that anyone who objects to the God Hates Fags "ministry" protesting at military funerals with a "Thank God for Dead Soldiers" sign is, to borrow your phrase, "advocating the overthrow of liberty and freedom." Can I safely assume you are 100% in favor of such protests as not only legal but unobjectionable?
Originally posted by: inspire
Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
The community can not have expectations different than what the law allows. Or rather, they can, but they can do NOTHING when those expectations are not met.
I note you still have yet to address my point. I gather, by virtue of your failure to respond, that you believe that anyone who objects to the God Hates Fags "ministry" protesting at military funerals with a "Thank God for Dead Soldiers" sign is, to borrow your phrase, "advocating the overthrow of liberty and freedom." Can I safely assume you are 100% in favor of such protests as not only legal but unobjectionable?
I see few similarities between foundations based on hatered of their fellow human beings, and those who legally take measures to protect themselves.
Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
Originally posted by: inspire
Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
The community can not have expectations different than what the law allows. Or rather, they can, but they can do NOTHING when those expectations are not met.
I note you still have yet to address my point. I gather, by virtue of your failure to respond, that you believe that anyone who objects to the God Hates Fags "ministry" protesting at military funerals with a "Thank God for Dead Soldiers" sign is, to borrow your phrase, "advocating the overthrow of liberty and freedom." Can I safely assume you are 100% in favor of such protests as not only legal but unobjectionable?
I see few similarities between foundations based on hatered of their fellow human beings, and those who legally take measures to protect themselves.
You're willfully ignoring the parallel. Both the God Hates Fags morons and the decedent in this case were exercising their Constitutional rights in a way that was both disrespectful and disruptive to others.
I have every right to my own opinion as to this, and my opinion is that this woman was acting like a narcissist tool by insisting on openly wearing a gun at a soccer game for 5-year-olds. I don't think being a wacko (which I believe she was) means she deserved to die, any more than I believe that the Westboro Baptist Church people deserve to die, but I feel I have the right to comment on both parties' conduct.
Are you saying I don't have the right to comment on this woman's conduct merely because it was (at least arguably) legally and Constitutionally protected? If you feel I don't, then by your logic you have no right to make derogatory comments about the Westboro Baptist Church, the American Nazi Party, or any other party exercising its First Amendment rights.
Originally posted by: inspire
No, I didn't ignore anything - I just think your analogy is shit - a fact which you've chosen to ignore and replace with some strawman where I'm denying your right to have an opinion. I don't give a shit what your opinion is, but if it makes no sense (which is, in fact the case here), I'm going to call it like I see it.
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: NeoV
you don't think the site of a woman, not in a police uniform - sporting a gun on her hip might cause some reactions AT A CHILDREN'S SOCCER GAME?
do you think - I don't know, I'm going out on a limb here - do you think it's possible it might - just might - alert or even scare a child or two? Is that really out of the realm of possible outcomes for you? Is that not, gasp - a possible normal reaction?
That's the parent's fault for the irrational fear of a gun.
Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
Originally posted by: inspire
No, I didn't ignore anything - I just think your analogy is shit - a fact which you've chosen to ignore and replace with some strawman where I'm denying your right to have an opinion. I don't give a shit what your opinion is, but if it makes no sense (which is, in fact the case here), I'm going to call it like I see it.
It's interesting that you obviously can't respond to my point, so instead you call me names, the exact thing you've accused me of doing. Unimpressive.
As I said, I see both the decedent in Virginia and the Westboro Baptist Church as narcissist assholes. Unless you believe I'm doing something wrong by saying that, I will continue to do so.
Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: NeoV
you don't think the site of a woman, not in a police uniform - sporting a gun on her hip might cause some reactions AT A CHILDREN'S SOCCER GAME?
do you think - I don't know, I'm going out on a limb here - do you think it's possible it might - just might - alert or even scare a child or two? Is that really out of the realm of possible outcomes for you? Is that not, gasp - a possible normal reaction?
That's the parent's fault for the irrational fear of a gun.
It's not the "irrational fear of a gun." It's the very rational fear of (1) a non-law-enforcement, non-military individual whose psychological state and intentions we don't know (2) carrying a deadly weapon (3) at a venue for children (4) where no one has ever seen a gun-carrying private citizen before.
If you cannot acknowledge that it is entirely rational to feel fear under these circumstances, then you are either (a) a sociopath, (b) amazingly stupid, (c) lying, or (d) some combination of the foregoing.