Gun Violence

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Sabot

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Sabot
Topic Title: Gun Violence
Topic Summary: I cannot believe this - there must be a solution

I live right at Jane and Finch in Toronto, for anyone who doesn't know it is pretty much the worst part of the city. There have been constant gun problems there.

So, you may have heard that on boxing day 2 groups of teenagers all wielding pistols (a total of 15 of them) began shooting at each other in the downtown core. Not one of them hit their intended target, the only people shot are believed to be innocent by-standers, one of which was a young girl who has died.

My question is this: Is there anything that can be done to help stop this gaining gun violence?

Solution is simple, arm everyone possible and with instructions to fire back.

In no time the idiots you cite here in the article, around Toronto and the rest of Canada experiencing this problem would not only begin to aim better but they most likely would go away, for good.

To put it another way, the problem is not gun violence, the problem is that not enough citizenry is armed.

That is so absurd, more guns will not solve the problems of gun violence. The idea that you can arm every person and expect there to be any sort of decrease in the amount of gun related crimes is just ridiculous. What about the elderly being mugged who use strollers, or the kids who are 14 and younger being held at gun point?

It is not any kind of solution, it just expands the possibilities for gun violence immensly.

You are part of the problem, you have no backbone whatsoever. You must be an extreme liberal wuss.

Look at Cities such as Kenesaw Georgia where it is mandatory for all citizens to own and CARRY there gun at all times and you will see they have an extremely low gun incident rate per capita.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
You are part of the problem, you have no backbone whatsoever. You must be an extreme liberal wuss.

Look at Cities such as Kenesaw Georgia where it is mandatory for all citizens to own and CARRY there gun at all times and you will see they have an extremely low gun incident rate per capita.

I'm not doubting you at all, but link? I should move there. Of course it must be everyone over 21. Poor 20 year olds must get mugged often.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Look at Cities such as Kenesaw Georgia where it is mandatory for all citizens to own and CARRY there gun at all times and you will see they have an extremely low gun incident rate per capita.

Don't compare a town (not city) like Kennasaw which has a population of 25'000 to Toronto, or LA, or Detroit, or Philly, etc... it makes you sound disingenous, at best.

Now I love guns... I am fascinated by them, and as soon as I move into a permanent home, I'll obtain one legally. But I don't think that carrying them makes people safer in a city... because even if you know how to shoot a gun on the range, you can't shoot for ****** in a firefight. People will get hit... they just won't be the people you're aiming at.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Look at Cities such as Kenesaw Georgia where it is mandatory for all citizens to own and CARRY there gun at all times and you will see they have an extremely low gun incident rate per capita.

Don't compare a town (not city) like Kennasaw which has a population of 25'000 to Toronto, or LA, or Detroit, or Philly, etc... it makes you sound disingenous, at best.

Now I love guns... I am fascinated by them, and as soon as I move into a permanent home, I'll obtain one legally. But I don't think that carrying them makes people safer in a city... because even if you know how to shoot a gun on the range, you can't shoot for ****** in a firefight. People will get hit... they just won't be the people you're aiming at.

Which is why you train to observe your backdrop

 

[Todd33]

Stop making and selling guns. Period. Only manufacture guns for military purpose. How many RPG death do we have in the US or Canada a year? Ya, they are kind of hard to find. Of course you guys don't want a real solution, you want everyone to carry a gun and turn every city into the wild west, which is a worse problem IMO. 2nd amendment issues? Everyone can have a 1750 era musket. Problem solved.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Stop making and selling guns. Period. Only manufacture guns for military purpose. How many RPG death do we have in the US or Canada a year? Ya, they are kind of hard to find. Of course you guys don't want a real solution, you want everyone to carry a gun and turn every city into the wild west, which is a worse problem IMO. 2nd amendment issues? Everyone can have a 1750 era musket. Problem solved.

With 300+ million firearms on hand in the U.S. the only purpose that would serve is to prevent law-abiding citizens like myself from entertaining themselves on the range.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Todd33
Stop making and selling guns. Period. Only manufacture guns for military purpose. How many RPG death do we have in the US or Canada a year? Ya, they are kind of hard to find. Of course you guys don't want a real solution, you want everyone to carry a gun and turn every city into the wild west, which is a worse problem IMO. 2nd amendment issues? Everyone can have a 1750 era musket. Problem solved.

With 300+ million firearms on hand in the U.S. the only purpose that would serve is to prevent law-abiding citizens like myself from entertaining themselves on the range.

Well it was more a solution for America at the start of the 19th century. It's a little late now.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Stop making and selling guns. Period. Only manufacture guns for military purpose. How many RPG death do we have in the US or Canada a year? Ya, they are kind of hard to find. Of course you guys don't want a real solution, you want everyone to carry a gun and turn every city into the wild west, which is a worse problem IMO. 2nd amendment issues? Everyone can have a 1750 era musket. Problem solved.

Yes, start taking away constitutionally given rights. That did real well with alcohol. There is no precedant to limit a persons firearm to a historical period, so your argument sucks.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

It's easy. Turn the government into a massive freedom crushing police state. Take away peoples ability to freely communicate, move about, trade, etc and you can begin to actually enforce a gun ban.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Todd33
Stop making and selling guns. Period. Only manufacture guns for military purpose. How many RPG death do we have in the US or Canada a year? Ya, they are kind of hard to find. Of course you guys don't want a real solution, you want everyone to carry a gun and turn every city into the wild west, which is a worse problem IMO. 2nd amendment issues? Everyone can have a 1750 era musket. Problem solved.

Yes, start taking away constitutionally given rights. That did real well with alcohol. There is no precedant to limit a persons firearm to a historical period, so your argument sucks.

Which Militia are you a member of?

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Which Militia are you a member of?

US Army

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: hscorpio
It's easy. Turn the government into a massive freedom crushing police state. Take away peoples ability to freely communicate, move about, trade, etc and you can begin to actually enforce a gun ban.

Yup, taking away rights goes hand in hand.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sandorski
Which Militia are you a member of?

US Army

:laugh:

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sandorski
Which Militia are you a member of?

US Army

Ah, the one that replaced the originally intended Civilian Militias.

 

[UnatcoAgent]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Sabot

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Sabot
Topic Title: Gun Violence
Topic Summary: I cannot believe this - there must be a solution

I live right at Jane and Finch in Toronto, for anyone who doesn't know it is pretty much the worst part of the city. There have been constant gun problems there.

So, you may have heard that on boxing day 2 groups of teenagers all wielding pistols (a total of 15 of them) began shooting at each other in the downtown core. Not one of them hit their intended target, the only people shot are believed to be innocent by-standers, one of which was a young girl who has died.

My question is this: Is there anything that can be done to help stop this gaining gun violence?

Solution is simple, arm everyone possible and with instructions to fire back.

In no time the idiots you cite here in the article, around Toronto and the rest of Canada experiencing this problem would not only begin to aim better but they most likely would go away, for good.

To put it another way, the problem is not gun violence, the problem is that not enough citizenry is armed.

That is so absurd, more guns will not solve the problems of gun violence. The idea that you can arm every person and expect there to be any sort of decrease in the amount of gun related crimes is just ridiculous. What about the elderly being mugged who use strollers, or the kids who are 14 and younger being held at gun point?

It is not any kind of solution, it just expands the possibilities for gun violence immensly.

You are part of the problem, you have no backbone whatsoever. You must be an extreme liberal wuss.

Look at Cities such as Kenesaw Georgia where it is mandatory for all citizens to own and CARRY there gun at all times and you will see they have an extremely low gun incident rate per capita.

I'm only part of the problem in your extreme ideology of how society should function, and thank god it isn't that way.

I am a liberal, but I was brought up with guns and know how to operate them. I have no problem with them in the correct hands, it has nothing to do with my 'backbone'.

However, as someone pointed out, you cannot compare a place with a population that is a mere fraction of Toronto, and use it as your main point. It isn't applicable.

You have to be insane to think that arming every kid from their teens upwards, along with every single citizen past them, would solve the problem where I live. There would be a shooting every second.

Past all of this, you cannot expect people to be able to suddently adapt to having a gun in their life at all moments outside, and understand when and when to not use them.

So instead of making this personal, why don't you stop sounding like a complete moron and promote your side intelligently.

 

[UnatcoAgent]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Sabot

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Sabot
Topic Title: Gun Violence
Topic Summary: I cannot believe this - there must be a solution

I live right at Jane and Finch in Toronto, for anyone who doesn't know it is pretty much the worst part of the city. There have been constant gun problems there.

So, you may have heard that on boxing day 2 groups of teenagers all wielding pistols (a total of 15 of them) began shooting at each other in the downtown core. Not one of them hit their intended target, the only people shot are believed to be innocent by-standers, one of which was a young girl who has died.

My question is this: Is there anything that can be done to help stop this gaining gun violence?

Solution is simple, arm everyone possible and with instructions to fire back.

In no time the idiots you cite here in the article, around Toronto and the rest of Canada experiencing this problem would not only begin to aim better but they most likely would go away, for good.

To put it another way, the problem is not gun violence, the problem is that not enough citizenry is armed.

That is so absurd, more guns will not solve the problems of gun violence. The idea that you can arm every person and expect there to be any sort of decrease in the amount of gun related crimes is just ridiculous. What about the elderly being mugged who use strollers, or the kids who are 14 and younger being held at gun point?

It is not any kind of solution, it just expands the possibilities for gun violence immensly.

You are part of the problem, you have no backbone whatsoever. You must be an extreme liberal wuss.

Look at Cities such as Kenesaw Georgia where it is mandatory for all citizens to own and CARRY there gun at all times and you will see they have an extremely low gun incident rate per capita.

As well, the majority of the population would not want every single citizen to be armed, and if that makes us all "extreme liberal wusses" that must make you something equally crazy.

 

[Moonbeam]

We could arm everybody with cameras or we can implant everybody with a chip that monitors the body including info that would show if one were using a firearm. It anonymity that allows people to be tempted to do crimes. If everybody at any crime scene could be retroactively analyzed with a picture of what they were doing crime would end.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: TallBill
Actually, positive. Would you want to mug someone knowing that theres a good chance that they'll be armed?

I'd shoot first and and ask questions later.

See, but you dont have the criminal mind of a street thug. They are out for easy money, not murder or a gunfight.

There are a few sickos that are out just to kill, but they'd shoot you regardless of you being armed. And at least you could fight back.

That doesn't really make sense, the whole concept of being armed is that the crook KNOWS you are armed (or otherwise not an easy target) and picks on someone else. If you end up in a gun battle with an armed robber, you have a great chance of dying, especially because your gun is concealed when he pulls one on you. As a deterent for you personally, concealed weapons just don't seem that great.

Your confusing CONCEALED carry with open carry perhaps. The whole point of concealed carry is to be armed without anyone knowing it.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
We could arm everybody with cameras or we can implant everybody with a chip that monitors the body including info that would show if one were using a firearm. It anonymity that allows people to be tempted to do crimes. If everybody at any crime scene could be retroactively analyzed with a picture of what they were doing crime would end.

Yes, cause that's how we want the world to be :roll:

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: ajf3

Originally posted by: MadRat
Allow more citizens to carry concealed weapons. That is a solution that has always quickly put down crime. People don't like the taste of vigilantiism when they find out its one of their own bad seeds from their family that dumbass just got blasted while they were half cocked on dope and did something stupid. Then again they don't like it when the cops do the same thing. Perhaps you should take a lesson that Tom Cruise movie which name escapes me at this moment.

Yep - just about every city that has started a concealed carry program over the last couple of decades has seen a reduction in violent crime.

Not that a lib would read it, but: Reality

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Condor
Solve the drug problem, you solve most of the crime problems.

Smartest thing I've seen in this thread...

Legalize drugs = solve the drug problem = solve the crime problem.

The mafia came out of the prohibition. The gangs and drug-related violence came out of the drug ban. The addicts will be addicts, but at least they'll be high on pharmacologically pure dope.

This would bring in tons of money out of the criminal world and into the economy... it would also bring in quite a bit of money into the federal budget through taxes. And, most importantly, the criminal empires would dissolve, having no illicit products to trade any longer.

Not churchy, but AMEN!

 

[MadRat]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Condor
Solve the drug problem, you solve most of the crime problems.

Smartest thing I've seen in this thread...

Then you didn't read too far. I already gave you the solution. Concealed weapons deter crime.

 

[UnatcoAgent]

Lets just assume that concealed weapons are the solution.

How do you completely orient every member of a society who, under most situations, has no familiarity with firearms, but be responsible with one? We're talking millions of people in an urban environment.

 

[MadRat]

Not everyone has the constitution to handle a firearm. You enable the ones that do to play hero. When we have more heroes we then have fewer criminals. Cause - effect.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: Sabot
Lets just assume that concealed weapons are the solution.

How do you completely orient every member of a society who, under most situations, has no familiarity with firearms, but be responsible with one? We're talking millions of people in an urban environment.

Only took me a few minutes to learn how to take apart pistols, load them, and fire them. I've never handed a pistol to somebody who has never touched one before and had them aim it at somebody or pull the trigger. Humans have better natural instincts than that and learning to operate a pistol isn't rocket science nor does it even require classes.

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but does anyone else realize that owning fire arms is the surest way of preventing complete evil government control? If Bush turned this country into a fascist dictatorship where everything and everyone was monitored and controlled, what would he do about the millions of experienced firearm owners?