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In that case I'll say this.

The "backlash" needs to come from within their own organization. We have to do whatever it takes to make sure that happens.

And the people who say that usually ignore the ample examples of just that occurring while they whine about it not happening.
 

Jaskalas

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And the people who say that usually...

Recognize that a significant number of Americans want to genocide in retaliation for September 11th and other "attacks". That the media is complicit in reinforcing this by continuously showing that Islam = Terror while showing absolutely NOTHING of what you speak of.

"Ample examples", I cannot name a single one. Me and most other Americans.

Doing "whatever it takes" to support them can begin by identifying those who denounce this violence. By honoring their call for peace and standing with them. Problem is, no American is hearing that call. All we hear is an ever growing body count.

If the threat of violence is to be addressed, that's a good place to start.
 
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Recognize that a significant number of Americans want to genocide in retaliation for September 11th and other "attacks". That the media is complicit in reinforcing this by continuously showing that Islam = Terror while showing absolutely NOTHING of what you speak of.

"Ample examples", I cannot name a single one. Me and most other Americans.

Doing "whatever it takes" to support them can begin by identifying those who denounce this violence. By honoring their call for peace and standing with them. Problem is, no American is hearing that call. All we hear is an ever growing body count.

If the threat of violence is to be addressed, that's a good place to start.

Want to know why you can't name one? You've never been bothered to look. Why? Because you'd rather claim it doesn't happen.

Here let me try something. First google search result.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/junaid-jahangir/muslims-against-isis_b_5715563.html



Muslim volunteers from the humanitarian group Islamic Relief provided food parcels, 2,000 hygiene kits and about 32,000 articles of clothing to over 3,000 Christian and other families who fled the ISIS persecution.

More than 17,000 displaced people have been sheltered in the Hussainiyat -- Shii congregation halls, mosques and other religious buildings. The Holy Shrines of Imam Ali and Imam Hussain and the city of Basra opened their doors to host displaced Christian and other families and serve their needs.

In solidarity with their Christian neighbours, Muslim social activists launched the "I am Nazrene (Christian)" campaigns. An Iraqi TV host broke down in tears and referred to Christians as our "own flesh and blood." Law Professor Mahmoud Al Asali gave up his life by standing in solidarity with his Christian brothers and sisters.

Sunni and Shii clerics in Iraq jointly drafted and distributed a religious edict to over 50,000 mosques declaring ISIS as an un-Islamic terrorist organization. Sheikh Taha al Karkhi, grand preacher in Baghdad, declared that resisting and standing up against ISIS is a religious duty.

Over 80 Muslim intellectuals, activists and religious leaders in India jointly urged the United Nations to hold ISIS accountable for its brutality, which they termed as a "crime against humanity" and "religious cleansing."

Over 100 British Sunni and Shii Imams released a powerful video to urge Muslim youth to stay away from ISIS, which they branded as an illegitimate and vicious group. About 5000 Norwegian Muslims rallied in Oslo against ISIS.

The Caliph of the Ahmadiyyah Muslim community and the Secretary General of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, a group representing 57 countries and 1.4-billion Muslims, also forcefully condemned ISIS. The Indonesian President urged Muslim leaders to unite their efforts, prohibited Indonesians from joining ISIS and blocked the ISIS Internet sites.

In North America, the two largest Muslim umbrella groups -- Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) -- issued statements condemning ISIS. CAIR strongly urged American Imams and other community leaders to speak out against American Muslims traveling abroad to join extremist groups like ISIS.

Conservative and progressive Muslims are united in their condemnation of ISIS.

Yasir Qadhi, a conservative Muslim leader, stated that the Prophet warned us about groups who would spread bloodshed and yet think of themselves as the best of worshipers. He further mentioned that, "no amount of the evils of American foreign policy can justify the murderous rampage of ISIS and its ilk."

On the progressive side, Mike Ghouse of the World Islamic Congress went so far as to call for drone attacks against ISIS. From Switzerland academic Elham Manea urged Muslim communities and nations to look inward and vanquish intolerant dogma and regressive politics to remove ISIS.

Muslims for Progressive Values (MPV) USA President, Ani Zonneveld, tweeted that IS does not stand for Islamic State but "International Scum." The eighth annual MPV retreat will also focus on countering supremacist ideologies espoused by groups like ISIS.

Shahla Khan Salter, Director of Universalist Muslims in Canada has stated, "if we become aware of any individual or group, specifically promoting ISIS, their activities shall be reported to the RCMP, for inciting hatred, as ISIS is clearly committing genocide."

In Canada, Muslim leaders in Manitoba unconditionally condemned the ISIS persecution of Christians and Yazidis as an affront to Islam.

About 200 Sunni and Shia Muslims gathered outside Calgary City Hall to condemn ISIS. The President of the Shii group stated that he and other community leaders were working hard to wean youth away from radicalization and that the Government of Canada should be vigilant about the influx of radical elements.

About 200 members of the Kurdish community, many of whom are Sunni Muslims, also gathered in Calgary and asserted that the international community should support the Kurdish forces fighting against ISIS to protect global stability and security.

One quick search and look wt all the Islamic groups speaking out and acting out against extremism. That enough to get you started?
 

schmuckley

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Want to know why you can't name one? You've never been bothered to look. Why? Because you'd rather claim it doesn't happen.

Here let me try something. First google search result.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/junaid-jahangir/muslims-against-isis_b_5715563.html





One quick search and look wt all the Islamic groups speaking out and acting out against extremism. That enough to get you started?

"In North America, the two largest Muslim umbrella groups -- Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) -- issued statements condemning ISIS. CAIR strongly urged American Imams and other community leaders to speak out against American Muslims traveling abroad to join extremist groups like ISIS."

but did they?

http://www.independentsentinel.com/u-s-imams-who-urge-jihad-against-infidels/

"The Islamic Society of Boston is another radical mosque and it’s literally around the corner from the home of the Boston bombers. It’s founder is an al-Qaida supporter currently serving a long prison sentence."

I would be investigating mosques local to these happenings.
 
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Nebor

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You're forgetting the 5 round capacity limit on anything worth a damn. Any modern center fire semi-auto that you import in canada must be neutered to comply with the capacity limit. Not a very powerful gun lobby when you think about it.

You mean the plastic block you have to put in a 30 round magazine limiting it to 5 rounds? The one that can easily be removed if you should feel the need? Nah, I wasn't forgetting about that.
 

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HTFOff

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You mean the plastic block you have to put in a 30 round magazine limiting it to 5 rounds? The one that can easily be removed if you should feel the need? Nah, I wasn't forgetting about that.

That a pretty ingenious plan by the gun lobbyist up north. Wow.

Make it seem like you're part of the "civilized", "progressive" world; but when the need comes we can go full on rambo!

Brilliant.
 

Iron Woode

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they cancelled the Hockey game tonight between the Maple Leafs and the Senators.
 

Jaskalas

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Want to know why you can't name one? You've never been bothered to look. Why? Because you'd rather claim it doesn't happen.

Here let me try something. First google search result.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/junaid-jahangir/muslims-against-isis_b_5715563.html

One quick search and look wt all the Islamic groups speaking out and acting out against extremism. That enough to get you started?

Oh, so I have to actively search them out. Be my own investigative reporter. Where's the media again? Right... too busy telling me how many different ways a Muslim is gonna kill me.

Get it through your thick skull, I am the one advocating unity against violence. I am trying to explain how we are failing - in the extreme. Perhaps the depths of our failure is unimaginable for you... but there are plenty of Americans who think the only good Muslim is a...

It's going to take a hell of a lot more than a few words to break down that perception of reality. When Hayabusa Rider spoke of backlash, what he didn't say is that it needs to come from the Muslim community. Then what I'm saying is we need to be there for them to empower those groups. So that their action against terrorists is greater than our media's communication that Islam = Terrorism.

If we don't come together to do that as a nation, then the War on Terror is lost.
 

sandorski

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Oh, so I have to actively search them out. Be my own investigative reporter. Where's the media again? Right... too busy telling me how many different ways a Muslim is gonna kill me.

Get it through your thick skull, I am the one advocating unity against violence. I am trying to explain how we are failing - in the extreme. Perhaps the depths of our failure is unimaginable for you... but there are plenty of Americans who think the only good Muslim is a...

It's going to take a hell of a lot more than a few words to break down that perception of reality. When Hayabusa Rider spoke of backlash, what he didn't say is that it needs to come from the Muslim community. Then what I'm saying is we need to be there for them to empower those groups. So that their action against terrorists is greater than our media's communication that Islam = Terrorism.

If we don't come together to do that as a nation, then the War on Terror is lost.



If your Media isn't doing their job, find some that does. You're engaging in a form of Victim Blaming.
 

Newell Steamer

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White guy goes on a shooting rampage - oh, it's just some crazy person,.. totally not terrorism.

Same white guy converts to Islam and then goes on a shooting rampage - ISLAM IS EVIL!!!shift+1!!!!

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/22/world/canada-shooter/index.html
He was born Michael Joseph Hall in Quebec in 1982, and, according to Canadian media reports, worked as a miner and a laborer at various points in his life.
It isn't clear when or why, but at some point he changed his name to Zehaf-Bibeau and converted to Islam, U.S. officials said.
 

AnitaPeterson

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It's not yet clear that the shooter was spurred into action by a renewed religious faith.

The Ottawa Police now say that he acted alone.

Considering his previous criminal record and drug abuse history (PCP!), and the fact that the shooting of the guard at the war memorial was a senseless act, which could have jeopardized accessibility to the primary target (the parliament), I'm more inclined to think the guy was high, thinking himself superhuman, and improvising everything he did.

If you take sufficient time to wade through all the garbage and conspiracy theories spewed in the "alternative" and social media, and look at the way the events unfolded, you'll realize there's absolutely no sign of careful planning.

Even if he was a jihadist, he was just a bumbling idiot who killed a single other person before being shot down like a rabid dog. If this is typical for extremists, we should consider ourselves lucky.
 

Whiskey16

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I hope Sgt. Vickers gets a knighthood from the queen, he deserves it.

As a Canadian, he cannot and knowing his respect for this country and laws, will not accept nor seek any such offering that will not be made by the Monarch.
 

Texashiker

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As a Canadian, he cannot and knowing his respect for this country and laws, will not accept nor seek any such offering that will not be made by the Monarch.

I thought yall loved the queen?

Is there a law that prevents him from getting a knighthood?
 

JumBie

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A shame someone was killed, but in reality this is no different than a soldier killing innocent civilians in other countries, karma is a bitch.
 
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