Gunowners - would you "give up" your guns under federal law?

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Don't flatter yourself. Just because I point out the silliness of, say, one in every 50-100 of your posts doesn't mean I am "being up on your e-penis," whatever that means. Not sure why you're jumping right to the romantic angle, though I guess that suggests you are intrigued by what you see as the flattering attention of a man.

I do find it funny that you drag out the "second-year law student" thing every time I post, despite the fact that nothing I posted in this thread (nor most threads) relates to the application of the law.

And to return to the topic (rather than belaboring your trolling of your own thread), yes, this poll is silly and pointless.



Your posts are so needlessly wordy and boring (absolutely identical to know-it-all second year law students...) that you're lucky if I even skim the first sentence.
 

sigurros81

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How about you go troll elsewhere rather than constantly being up on my e-penis all the time?

I seriously wonder if you have some notification setup so you can reply to my posts with multiple paragraphs of 2nd year law student drivel that essentially says the same thing over.. and over.. and over. You need to take this to L&R rather than follow me around in P&N and OT. Personally I kind of like the attention, but it brings down the quality of our dear forum.

Sound like someone's butthurt.
 

Brovane

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I think your sorely mistaken. They have really kicked a hornets nest with these attacks on gun rights for lawful citizens. Americans will highly resent the scenarios your propose and will not bow down.

Oh I don't doubt it i fthey go all in at once. However I think the government would be smart about it. They will do it gradually and before you know it your rights will disappear. They will start with "Assault Rifles" and High Capacity magazines. They will declare that these need to be turned in and you will receive compensation. After all the noise is settled down probably a majority will turn them in. There will be a lot of noise but I don't see the majority of Americans supporting the right to own "Assault Rifles" and hi-cap magazines. The majority will buy into the Politician line that those weapons are only for the military. The majority of Americans are sheep and wil node there heads and then move on to the next show on TV. There will be a miniority that will resist but I dont' really see a critical mass. After Assault Rifles and high cap magazines are banned. Probably several years will pass and then someone will come up with the idea of banning hand-guns. The majority of Americans after getting used to other bans and listening to all the talking heads on TV will node their heads and say who needs a semi-automatic hand-gun. It might start with just auto-pistols but eventually it will move onto all hand-guns. After this they will eventually move onto all rifles and shotguns and before we know we are subjects instead of citizens.
 
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In the 1980's New York City did in-fact call for a turn-in of certain semi-automatic rifles. They actually used the registration rolls that they had required back in the 1960's when they required these rifles to be registered. So they first required the weapons to be registered and then a couple of decades later used the same registration rolls to follow through on a gun turn-in. This past incident is where a lot of the concern starts that gun registration would lead to a gun turn-in/confsication.


I avoid purchasing any firearms that require even a background check to prevent a situation just like that, except for my CCW piece.


I suggest that gun owners who value their rights own at least a couple of firearms that were purchased private party. Historically speaking they will use the registration records as a method to follow up when performing seizures.
 

fskimospy

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Come on DVC, you can troll harder than this. At least put some effort into it.

Great job on being concise, it's a much better way to get your point across. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

DVC is one of the most consistently high quality, insightful, and respectful posters in here. You could learn a lot from him.
 

IceBergSLiM

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In what way?? The reason behind it doesn't matter, the fact that they've already semi-successfully seized innocent American's firearms says that we're closer to it happening than many seem to think.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

you have one example that is based on extreme parameters. How does that scale on a national level? Can you provide a single example of this being sucessful on a population that wasn't just completely leveled by a disaster?
 
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Oh I don't doubt it i fthey go all in at once. However I think the government would be smart about it. They will do it gradually and before you know it your rights will disappear. They will start with "Assault Rifles" and High Capacity magazines. They will declare that these need to be turned in and you will receive compensation. After all the noise is settled down probably a majority will turn them in. There will be a lot of noise but I don't see the majority of Americans supporting the right to own "Assault Rifles" and hi-cap magazines. The majority will buy into the Politician line that those weapons are only for the military. The majority of Americans are sheep and wil node there heads and then move on to the next show on TV. There will be a miniority that will resist but I dont' really see a critical mass. After Assault Rifles and high cap magazines are banned. Probably several years will pass and then someone will come up with the idea of banning hand-guns. The majority of Americans after getting used to other bans and listening to all the talking heads on TV will node their heads and say who needs a semi-automatic hand-gun. It might start with just auto-pistols but eventually it will move onto all hand-guns. After this they will eventually move onto all rifles and shotguns and before we know we are subjects instead of citizens.


I suspect that they will start with mandatory gun registrations for any transaction, and they're using sandy hook as an impetus for it.

After everyone gets nice and comfy with the government knowing about every gun you own they will then start pushing towards disarming the general public. You will have to be a LEO or security guard in order to own a gun.


I don't believe this will happen in 5 or 10 years, but there is definitely a push from the government towards getting "us" accustomed to needless gun control, and I think this will get much much stronger as time goes on.
 
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I suspect that they will start with mandatory gun registrations for any transaction, and they're using sandy hook as an impetus for it.

After everyone gets nice and comfy with the government knowing about every gun you own they will then start pushing towards disarming the general public. You will have to be a LEO or security guard in order to own a gun.


I don't believe this will happen in 5 or 10 years, but there is definitely a push from the government towards getting "us" accustomed to needless gun control, and I think this will get much much stronger as time goes on.

That has certainly been the NRA's refrain for my entire life. I see no reason to think this will ever actually happen, however.
 

sigurros81

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I think your sorely mistaken. They have really kicked a hornets nest with these attacks on gun rights for lawful citizens. Americans will highly resent the scenarios your propose and will not bow down.

I think you are a drama queen

SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE I TELL YOU!!!!
 
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you have one example that is based on extreme parameters. How does that scale on a national level? Can you provide a single example of this being sucessful on a population that wasn't just completely leveled by a disaster?


It would not take much of a disaster to shake the entire country on the scale of katrina did to new orleans.

While katrina was a terrible incident, it was far from anything that justified seizing everyone's weapons.

A great example would be riots or demonstrations over gun control... If that started popping up in multiple states it would be a perfect cause to start seizing weapons.

Filter it through the media and it would be fairly easy to get 47% of society to back that type of seizure.
 

IceBergSLiM

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Oh I don't doubt it i fthey go all in at once. However I think the government would be smart about it. They will do it gradually and before you know it your rights will disappear. They will start with "Assault Rifles" and High Capacity magazines. They will declare that these need to be turned in and you will receive compensation. After all the noise is settled down probably a majority will turn them in. There will be a lot of noise but I don't see the majority of Americans supporting the right to own "Assault Rifles" and hi-cap magazines. The majority will buy into the Politician line that those weapons are only for the military. The majority of Americans are sheep and wil node there heads and then move on to the next show on TV. There will be a miniority that will resist but I dont' really see a critical mass. After Assault Rifles and high cap magazines are banned. Probably several years will pass and then someone will come up with the idea of banning hand-guns. The majority of Americans after getting used to other bans and listening to all the talking heads on TV will node their heads and say who needs a semi-automatic hand-gun. It might start with just auto-pistols but eventually it will move onto all hand-guns. After this they will eventually move onto all rifles and shotguns and before we know we are subjects instead of citizens.

lol...this is wild speculation. Have you actually been outside your house? Every gun store in CT is cleaned out. People are stocking up not to surrender I can assure you that.

Have you watched the CT hearing on gun control that happened on monday? over 1500 people turned out in person to give a 3 minute testimony to the panel. I watched for about 3 hours. The majority of the testimony was in favor of not restricting rights of lawful gun owners but closing loopholes and making it harder for people to buy 60 guns at a time and re-sell them in the street. If the 1500 people that showed up(in a winter storm, on short notice, missing a full day of work) in LIBERAL state of CT what do you think would be the reaction elsewhere?

As far as the liberal MSM anti gun agenda...most people with guns don't listen to that shit like sheeple. The hive has been kicked, the hornets are awake..believe me.
 
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Brovane

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That has certainly been the NRA's refrain for my entire life. I see no reason to think this will ever actually happen, however.

Well they already did it back in the 1980's in New York City with certain semi-automatic rifles. The same scenario with registration and then gun confiscation has happened in other countries. Also some of the pro-ponents of Gun Control (Even Politicians in office) have talked about banning of weapons. Seriously I just don't trust the US government that gun registration rolls wouldn't be used a future date to confsicate guns.
 

IceBergSLiM

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It would not take much of a disaster to shake the entire country on the scale of katrina did to new orleans.

While katrina was a terrible incident, it was far from anything that justified seizing everyone's weapons.

A great example would be riots or demonstrations over gun control... If that started popping up in multiple states it would be a perfect cause to start seizing weapons.

Filter it through the media and it would be fairly easy to get 47% of society to back that type of seizure.

your confusing cause and execution. You can come up with reasons to seize weapons until your blue in the face. What police force can and will enforce that "cause" and how?
 

Brovane

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lol...this is wild speculation. Have you actually been outside your house? Every gun store in CT is cleaned out. People are stocking up not to surrender I can assure you that.

Have you watched the CT hearing on gun control that happened on monday? over 1500 people turned out in person to give a 3 minute testimony to the panel. I watched for about 3 hours. The majority of the testimony was in favor of not restricting rights of lawful gun owners but closing loopholes and making it harder for people to buy 60 guns at a time and re-sell them in the street. If the 1500 people that showed up in LIBERAL state of CT what do you think would be the reaction elsewhere?

As far as the liberal MSM anti gun agenda...most people with guns don't listen to that shit like sheeple. The hive has been kicked, the hornets are awake..believe me.

Laws have been passed in the state of New York already. Assault Rifle confsication was originally part of it but was dropped. However the possesion of High Capacity magazines (over 10rds) is essentially banned in New York state now. We just had a person charge with possesion of high capacity magazines - http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2299123 in New York state.
 

IceBergSLiM

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Well they already did it back in the 1980's in New York City with certain semi-automatic rifles. The same scenario with registration and then gun confiscation has happened in other countries. Also some of the pro-ponents of Gun Control (Even Politicians in office) have talked about banning of weapons. Seriously I just don't trust the US government that gun registration rolls wouldn't be used a future date to confsicate guns.

It would face much greater opposition today. The instant mass communication tools we have today would spark instant revolt.
 

IceBergSLiM

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Laws have been passed in the state of New York already. Assault Rifle confsication was originally part of it but was dropped. However the possesion of High Capacity magazines (over 10rds) is essentially banned in New York state now. We just had a person charge with possesion of high capacity magazines - http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2299123 in New York state.

how is that an exmaple of mass confiscation?
 

sigurros81

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I would imagine people would keep their legal firearms and try and make some mad money selling the illegal ones under the table
 

irishScott

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Laws have been passed in the state of New York already. Assault Rifle confsication was originally part of it but was dropped. However the possesion of High Capacity magazines (over 10rds) is essentially banned in New York state now. We just had a person charge with possesion of high capacity magazines - http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2299123 in New York state.

They weren't passed, they were shoved through in such a state that they forget to exempt police officers. New York has a tradition of political corruption going back to Boss Tweed and even earlier.
 

Brovane

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They weren't passed, they were shoved through in such a state that they forget to exempt police officers. New York has a tradition of political corruption going back to Boss Tweed and even earlier.

It was still signed it Law. Doesn't matter if it was passed in the dead of night.
 
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