Guns Don't Die, Children Do

[cubby1223]

Good luck OP! As you can see, gun nutters are unable to have a rational discussion. At the mere mention of gun violence the nutters put forth every logical fallacy that comes to mind instead of debating the actual topic.

Hey look over there! Black guy being harassed by an officer! Go over there and bother them for a while!



I should create a thread - every year 25 Americans die from being struck by lightning. We must have a rational discussion to stop lightning violence from stealing our children away from us.

 

[ivwshane]

Hey look over there! Black guy being harassed by an officer! Go over there and bother them for a while!



I should create a thread - every year 25 Americans die from being struck by lightning. We must have a rational discussion to stop lightning violence from stealing our children away from us.

Case in point

 

[glenn1]

Case in point

The people who support gun bans should be the ones required to go door to door confiscating them. That would be truly amusing.

 

[Subyman]

The people who support gun bans should be the ones required to go door to door confiscating them. That would be truly amusing.

Ooooh, I like that.

 

[ivwshane]

The people who support gun bans should be the ones required to go door to door confiscating them. That would be truly amusing.

Ooooh, I like that.

So long as the gun confiscators are also heavily armed. Killing two birds with one stone seems like a win win in my book

 

[BoberFett]

It's my first thread here and I want to start with the issue that worries me a lot.

One in three people in the U.S. know someone who has been shot. On average, 32 Americans are murdered with guns every day and 140 are treated for a gun assault in an emergency room. Every day on average, 51 people kill themselves with a firearm, and 45 people are shot or killed in an accident with a gun. The reality is really frightening. Is there any hope, that the situation can change?

Why would we want it to change? We're doing everything we can to make sure stupid kids don't kill themselves by choking on the toy inside Kinder Eggs or playing with plastic bags. We've gotta have some way to clean out the genetic pool.

 

[Fenixgoon]

It's my first thread here and I want to start with the issue that worries me a lot.

One in three people in the U.S. know someone who has been shot. On average, 32 Americans are murdered with guns every day and 140 are treated for a gun assault in an emergency room. Every day on average, 51 people kill themselves with a firearm, and 45 people are shot or killed in an accident with a gun. The reality is really frightening. Is there any hope, that the situation can change?

the most conservative estimates put the number of privately owned firearms at 200 million. using all of your numbers, that's 300 uses per day, assuming each use is a unique firearm, etc. which then puts the violent or otherwise undesirable usage rate at 3e2/2e6 = 1.5e-4 or 0.015%. so 99.985 of all firearms are used safely every day. not bad.

of course, those numbers could be better. so then it becomes: who are the people who are committing violent crimes with guns, how are they obtaining said guns, and why are they committing violent acts? who are the people committing suicide, why are they committing suicide, and how are they obtaining their guns?

there are many ways to tackle both issues. some of them are socio-economic (poverty, lack of economic opportunity), some are cultural (social stigma associated with mental health treatment), others are a law enforcement issue (war on drugs). others involve stripping people of their rights (forcibly taking firearms from people considered dangerous or have restraining orders, etc).

and before calling for the repeal of the 2nd amendment altogether, i would ask anyone whether you would consider giving up any other amendment, because you know once it's gone, it's not coming back. freedom of the press? freedom from unreasonable search and seizure? freedom from cruel and unusual punishment? and so on.

i lived in west philly for 5 years. i currently live in los angeles. i haven't feared violent crime at any point in my life when living in a city.

 

[cbrunny]

It's my first thread here and I want to start with the issue that worries me a lot.

One in three people in the U.S. know someone who has been shot. On average, 32 Americans are murdered with guns every day and 140 are treated for a gun assault in an emergency room. Every day on average, 51 people kill themselves with a firearm, and 45 people are shot or killed in an accident with a gun. The reality is really frightening. Is there any hope, that the situation can change?

Move to Canada. This is a pointless debate since both sides stand staunchly in their positions, regardless of how irrational it may be.

 

[Genx87]

So long as the gun confiscators are also heavily armed. Killing two birds with one stone seems like a win win in my book

That sounds like a logically well thought out policy that will lead to many more gun deaths.

 

[Genx87]

Hyperbole being shown for what it is.

Would you consider requiring somebody living hundreds of miles or further to travel to Mexico city to pickup a firearm a realistic policy for acquiring a gun for an avg Mexican citizen?

This is like the DC gun law where technically people could own a handgun. But getting through the paperwork and rules effectively made it impossible.

The Directorate of Commercialization of Arms and Munitions (Dirección de Comercialización de Armamento y Municiones - DCAM) is the only outlet authorized to sell firearms and ammunition in the country and it is located in Mexico City near SEDENA's headquarters.

With all receipts and documentation, along with photo ID, appear in person at DCAM to pick up firearm. A temporary transportation permit (valid for 24 to 72hrs) is granted, which permits the owner to transport the firearm from DCAM to his or her home by personal or public transportation (ground or air).

 

[cbrunny]

Would you consider requiring somebody living hundreds of miles or further to travel to Mexico city to pickup a firearm a realistic policy for acquiring a gun for an avg Mexican citizen?

Overwhelmingly yes.

Not because of what it means for the average citizen, but because of what it means for the state.

 

[Genx87]

Overwhelmingly yes.

Not because of what it means for the average citizen, but because of what it means for the state.

Elaborate. Are you saying this policy makes it feasible for an avg citizen of Mexico to attain a fire arm?

 

[Subyman]

So long as the gun confiscators are also heavily armed. Killing two birds with one stone seems like a win win in my book

Nah, control nutters wouldn't know which way to point the thing. They'd need the gun nutter to tell them they have the safety on. And as the gun nutter explains the safety features and how the gun works, the control nutter may actually like the thing and not look at it as a magic-satan-death-stick.

 

[cbrunny]

Elaborate. Are you saying this policy makes it feasible for an avg citizen of Mexico to attain a fire arm?

I don't care if it is feasible for an average citizen of Mexico to get a fire arm. I think this sort of policy provides the state with necessary information about who owns guns, and which guns they own.

Why would any policy need to ensure that Mexicans have easy access to guns?

 

[Genx87]

I don't care if it is feasible for an average citizen of Mexico to get a fire arm. I think this sort of policy provides the state with necessary information about who owns guns, and which guns they own.

Why would any policy need to ensure that Mexicans have easy access to guns?

The conversation isn't whether the state of Mexico should or shouldn't grant access to firearms. The conversation is whether or not citizens of Mexico have access to firearms. The person I was responding to was trying to point out the claim that citizens of Mexico don't have access to firearms is wrong and an exaggeration. I am countering his link shows for a majority of the population they do not have access to firearms due to the requirements to purchase a firearm mean they have to go to Mexico City.

 

[cbrunny]

The conversation isn't whether the state of Mexico should or shouldn't grant access to firearms. The conversation is whether or not citizens of Mexico have access to firearms. The person I was responding to was trying to point out the claim that citizens of Mexico don't have access to firearms is wrong and an exaggeration. I am countering his link shows for a majority of the population they do not have access to firearms due to the requirements to purchase a firearm mean they have to go to Mexico City.

Ok. Well I'm saying that it doesn't matter if the people of Mexico have easy access to firearms.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Green Man is missing in action..........

Pulsar -- Dear God guys. Can you at least use your brains? This post has been posted to hundreds of message boards.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...emergency+room.

 

[Kadarin]

Good example of shitty "please think of the children" astroturfing spam by OP.

 

[schmuckley]

Nothing to see here.