[Guru3d] Nvidia Big Pascal GP100 To Debut in April - Mid Range GTX 1080 in June (?)

[4K_shmoorK]

There is a new roadmap floating around on the web showing some interesting stuff. According to that roadmap Nvidia Pascal GPUs are coming to market as early as April, the first one would be a Pascal Titan GPU with more mainstream models released later.

While we all know that 14/15/16nm class product should become available in the May/June timeframe, an April release feels a little premature. Regardless, the high end SKUS will likely be fitted with a GP100 GPU based on a TSMC 16nm process fab. We'll call that GPU Big Pascal with billions of transistors (16 billion rumored).

Two things can happen here, it will have HBM2 which is comlicated, or the cards will use GDDR5X. At the June timeframe Nvidia are rumored to launch the first high-end GP104 GPUs with models GTX 1080 and GTX 1070 (should Nvidia use their old naming scheme). These chips would come in a 37.5×37.5mm BGA package, and has 2152 pins.

The leaked road-map definitely isn't from Nvidia themselves, it was spotted at techfrag, none the less is makes for a good read. Have a peek, click the thumbnail.

Link

Pretty early, if true. :hmm:

 

[AnandThenMan]

Link?

 

[Techhog]

If true, that's all she wrote for AMD. :/

 

[96Firebird]

I don't see them releasing a Titan that early, especially if it is scheduled before GP104. Not sure I can believe much of this rumor...

 

[AnandThenMan]

If true, that's all she wrote for AMD. :/

We haven't' seen a single 14/16nm GPU but yea this must mean AMD is dead. Again.

 

[ShintaiDK]

GP100 in april sounds more like Tesla.

 

[Headfoot]

Link: http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nv...ebut-in-april-mid-range-gtx-1080-in-june.html.

I know I for sure will never buy the Titan version aka "$400-500 more expensive version of the top chip that will come out for hundreds less in a few months." For me at least, the real battle will be the two top end gaming chips without fantastic mythological names like Titan and Fury. The mythology costs too much extra.

That being said, the full chip being out in April would be surprising to me. I think perhaps this is for the HPC version of the chip only (Tesla/GRID or whatever other brand they want to use). If they pull it off, that will be awesome though.

 

[crisium]

Titan first would be an odd marketing choice. Remember there are people that must always have the fastest card. People bought GTX 680 and Titan both. Some people also got the 980 at launch and then picked up the Titan X later (likewise I know people that bought both a 970 and a 980 Ti). I'd imagine Nvidia would want the chance to sell a single user multiple cards in the same generation again.

 

[poofyhairguy]

This would be exciting. I thought for sure they would roll out a 750 Ti replacement first because I had to buy one of those this month. If they want to release a ton of GPUs out of my price range this year that would be great. I will use GPU money to buy a new smartphone or something instead.

 

[Despoiler]

I saw that road map like 2 weeks ago. It's clearly not from Nvidia. There are many people out there that create their own roadmaps of what they think will happen. That is what this is. It's someone's guess that they put into roadmap form.

 

[Termie]

Both AMD and Nvidia always release the highest-end first when a new node or arch arrives.

5870 Sept. 2009
480 May 2010
7970 Jan. 2012
680 Mar. 2012
Titan Mar. 2013
R9 290X Oct. 2013
980 Sept. 2014
Titan X Feb. 2015
Fury X June 2015

Sole exception was 750 Ti because Maxwell Gen. 1 couldn't scale up.

Folks waiting for midrange cards will be waiting a long time. Q2 is all about cards $700 and up.

 

[Azix]

Both AMD and Nvidia always release the highest-end first when a new node or arch arrives.

5870 Sept. 2009
480 May 2010
7970 Jan. 2012
680 Mar. 2012
Titan Mar. 2013
R9 290X Oct. 2013
980 Sept. 2014
Titan X Feb. 2015
Fury X June 2015

Sole exception was 750 Ti because Maxwell Gen. 1 couldn't scale up.

Folks waiting for midrange cards will be waiting a long time. Q2 is all about cards $700 and up.

we know for a fact this is not true. Since AMD has a low end and high end, and probably can fill some ranges in the middle with variations of both.

 

[4K_shmoorK]

I saw that road map like 2 weeks ago. It's clearly not from Nvidia. There are many people out there that create their own roadmaps of what they think will happen. That is what this is. It's someone's guess that they put into roadmap form.

Where did you see it two weeks ago, if you dont mind my asking? Guru3d said their source was techfrag and that article was posted 3 days ago.
http://techfrag.com/2016/01/25/nvidia-2014-2017-gpu-roadmap-pascal-titan-gp100-to-debut-in-april-gtx-1080-in-june-and-volta-in-2017/

 

[el etro]

But is HBM2 already ready?

 

[MeldarthX]

Not going to happen; Nvidia had to lie about having Pascal for their Car showing; Samsung has only just barely ramped up HBM2 production on their side in the last month and half.

The entire industry has already said 16ff+ is 3-6 months behind Samsungs 14nm.....they've talked about replacing their top mobiles either with refreshes *again spells trouble* or pascal but not until late 3quarter more likely 4th quarter.

Nvidia's never been in front of AMD on a node shrink; and with new memory; again Nvidia never been on time when you combine those two. Now people reporting them early.

Not going to happen; earliest we'll see small pascal is about September; big pascal 2017......

 

[tential]

I saw that road map like 2 weeks ago. It's clearly not from Nvidia. There are many people out there that create their own roadmaps of what they think will happen. That is what this is. It's someone's guess that they put into roadmap form.

They even say so in the article. How is this news?

 

[Stuka87]

No way nVidia would risk losing all the sales from people buying a 1080, then upgrading to the Titan XX (or whatever it will be called). The top end will not come out first, unless its the release of a Tesla card. Meaning a Titan would be 6-9 months later.

 

[xthetenth]

Both AMD and Nvidia always release the highest-end first when a new node or arch arrives.

5870 Sept. 2009
480 May 2010
7970 Jan. 2012
680 Mar. 2012
Titan Mar. 2013
R9 290X Oct. 2013
980 Sept. 2014
Titan X Feb. 2015
Fury X June 2015

Sole exception was 750 Ti because Maxwell Gen. 1 couldn't scale up.

Folks waiting for midrange cards will be waiting a long time. Q2 is all about cards $700 and up.

You're using a tautology to define highest end. Of course the top new chip is the top one of the new chips and priced as such. People are talking about whether there's a chance of the Titan X equivalent coming out before the 980 equivalent.

 

[xpea]

Not going to happen; earliest we'll see small pascal is about September; big pascal 2017......

Big Pascal has been tape out last June and Nvidia must equip NOAA supercomputer this year:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9791/...ation-to-build-tesla-weather-research-cluster
In fact, big Pascal will be first available (in very limited quantities) in Tesla range to fulfill their government contracts. So it makes sens to get (very) few Titans in the field to counter next gen AMD and keep the performance crown...

 

[Schmide]

Both AMD and Nvidia always release the highest-end first when a new node or arch arrives.

5870 Sept. 2009
480 May 2010
7970 Jan. 2012
680 Mar. 2012
Titan Mar. 2013
R9 290X Oct. 2013
980 Sept. 2014
Titan X Feb. 2015
Fury X June 2015

Sole exception was 750 Ti because Maxwell Gen. 1 couldn't scale up.

Folks waiting for midrange cards will be waiting a long time. Q2 is all about cards $700 and up.

Cough Cough 4770

 

[Termie]

we know for a fact this is not true. Since AMD has a low end and high end, and probably can fill some ranges in the middle with variations of both.

Folks can keep hoping for a $250 card using 14nm and HBM2 to hit by June, but they shouldn't hold their breath.

You're using a tautology to define highest end. Of course the top new chip is the top one of the new chips and priced as such. People are talking about whether there's a chance of the Titan X equivalent coming out before the 980 equivalent.

Care to look up when the 5850, 470, 7950, 670, 960, Fury and all the other second-tier cards hit?

Hint - it wasn't at launch.

This is a launch like none other. New micro-architecture and new memory standard rolling out together. It will be complicated, low yield, and ultra-high-end.

 

[dark zero]

Depending of the situaction it will be a very risky move. If cost a lot (over $1500), it will have a backfire. Sale thing if the card loses against the Fury Gemini.

I am thinking that is their Maxwell X2 GPU .... Only that seems posible like the Fury Gemini.

 

[Atreidin]

Both AMD and Nvidia always release the highest-end first when a new node or arch arrives.

5870 Sept. 2009
480 May 2010
7970 Jan. 2012
680 Mar. 2012
Titan Mar. 2013
R9 290X Oct. 2013
980 Sept. 2014
Titan X Feb. 2015
Fury X June 2015

Sole exception was 750 Ti because Maxwell Gen. 1 couldn't scale up.

Folks waiting for midrange cards will be waiting a long time. Q2 is all about cards $700 and up.

You say one thing and then immediately contradict yourself with your list, just look at GK104 and GK110 release dates alone.

 

[Termie]

You say one thing and then immediately contradict yourself with your list, just look at GK104 and GK110 release dates alone.

Was the GTX 680 mid-range? Did it or did it not hit the market at $500, and was it or wasn't it the fastest card on the market at that time?

There hasn't been a single new-node or new-arch card released <$500 in the past 5 years. Are people seriously holding out for a mid-range card on 14nm in Q2?

 

[sandorski]

"Roadmap" not released by Nvidia. Fanfiction perhaps?