[Guru3d] Radeon RX 470 Benchmarks

[xthetenth]

SO what if DX11 performance is still good? Straight away disregard it simply because the better DX12 performance that you won't enjoy?

We buy cards to avoid turning settings down and to avoid low framerates. So the most taxing games are going to be the most important, and if you're going to play future games, DX12 is likely going to make a big difference in some and be well worth considering.

 

[khon]

GTX 470 having 33% less SPs doesn't really make sense to me. If that were the case, it should be priced ~ 40% lower, which would make it a $120 card. But if the 470 is $120, what would the price of a 460 be ? $80 ?

 

[AtenRa]

I wouldn't bet any money on that one.

"I'm going to sell the card I paid over $600 for last year to get some better DX12 on a few games and save $10 a year on electricity"?!?!?

They might buy a 1080, they might wait for a 1080Ti/Vega, or they might buy two 1070s- but not one 1070.

All those other cards you listed cost at least $400 at launch. You think people are going to start side grading at half or less than what they are used to spending to get some better DX12 and $10 a year less electricity?!?!

Dude if that happens I'll vote for Trump and go to work on the wall around the country.

There are many people that will upgrade to GXT 1070 from GTX 980Ti simple for the lower power and better OC + better DX-12 performance. Plus they know the GTX 1070 will gain much more gaming performance the next months than their GTX 980Ti (especially in DX-12 games).

Same with Hawaii and especially Kepler (GTX 780/Ti) owners, they can upgrade cheap to RX480 after selling their cards and gain much lower (2x) power consumption. Kepler owners will also gain close to 2x DX-12 performance on top of the new features (HVEC, DP 1.3/4 and HDMI 2.0).

I have an R9 390, if RX 480 will have the same DX-11 performance but i will get +20-30% higher DX-12 performance with 2.5x the power efficiency, I will not hesitate to get a new RX-480 even if DX-11 performance is not increased over my card.

 

[AtenRa]

Personally, I am still more interested in DX11 performance than DX12. There are literally zero DX12 games that I am interested in, and a huge backlog of DX 11 games that are cheap now that I have not played. I understand that my case is unusual, but focusing on DX12 only is somewhat cherry picking.

If you still have the HD7770, then the RX470 will be a huge performance increase even in DX-11 games at very close the same TDP as well (80W vs 110W). You will also get a nice DX-12 performance and new features.

And nobody said they are focusing only on DX-12, it is that people are comparing the 3D Mark FireStike like it is the only DX-11 metric for their upgrade decision.

 

[Face2Face]

I would love to see a desktop RX 470 in A form factor the size of the Alienware Alpha.

The new R2 model coming out has an option for the R9 M470X and A desktop GTX 960 4GB, but I'm kind of bummed they didn't wait for Pascal or Polaris.

http://www.shacknews.com/article/95151/alienware-alpha-r2-review-harder-better-faster-stronger

These little Alphas fit perfectly behind wall mounted TVs, and make pretty cool PC consoles.

 

[frozentundra123456]

SO what if DX11 performance is still good? Straight away disregard it simply because the better DX12 performance that you won't enjoy?

I am simply saying that I would not upgrade right now based on DX12 performance alone. Any card I upgrade to would have to offer significantly improved performance in *both* DX11 and DX12. Obviously, that could change in a couple of years when DX12 is more widely adopted.

That said, I think the 470/480 will be great cards, but as usual, the hype train has gotten a bit out of control, since the cards have not even been released yet and we have not seen what nVidia will counter with. It is also ironic that a lot of posters in VC & G denigrated performance per watt mercilessly when Maxwell came out, but now it seems to be the holy grail.

 

[Stuka87]

GTX 470 having 33% less SPs doesn't really make sense to me. If that were the case, it should be priced ~ 40% lower, which would make it a $120 card. But if the 470 is $120, what would the price of a 460 be ? $80 ?

Does not work that way. Just because the GPU is cut down, doesn't mean the price will drop by that percentage. There are a lot of other costs involved in building a GPU. Such as the PCB, heatsink, bracketry, other components, etc. None of these costs change as a result of a cut down GPU.

 

[Slaughterem]

WHats so great about these cards for the millions of people that bought 290's, 290x's ,gtx780's, 780ti's, gtx970's and gtx980's?

I have a 290x tri oc with 4 gb. This was my first purchase of a card at greater than $350. I generally upgrade every 2-3 years. I guess you are assuming that the 480 will not be better than the 390x or 980. I on the other hand believe that the RX 480 hits the rumored performance of close to Nano and can OC even higher and its wattage is less than 200 watt OC. If there will be AIB cards for $250 I will spend my fathers day present from my 3 kids on this card if it meets the above standard. I will not buy until the first adopters have paid their premium as with all new releases. Here are my reasons:
1} A new 980 card is still $380 minimum on new egg. The 1070 is not readily available at this time and its cost is more than the 980 card.
2} The fact that I will also gain HDR capability, and HDMI 2.0b, will be a plus for future monitors or TV's that I might purchase.
3} The power savings will be a positive.
4} My main game that I play is warhammer 40K and Dawn of war 3 will be coming out in 2017.
5} Crimson drivers updates have improved tremendously over the past year.
6} Even though I have the capability to purchase over 200 1080 cards tomorrow I will not spend 1 cent for the debacle that is FE.

 

[dark zero]

Expecting how much effective is that card.
Also waiting for R7 450 at 55 dollars.

 

[Tweak155]

I have a 290x tri oc with 4 gb. This was my first purchase of a card at greater than $350. I generally upgrade every 2-3 years. I guess you are assuming that the 480 will not be better than the 390x or 980. I on the other hand believe that the RX 480 hits the rumored performance of close to Nano and can OC even higher and its wattage is less than 200 watt OC. If there will be AIB cards for $250 I will spend my fathers day present from my 3 kids on this card if it meets the above standard. I will not buy until the first adopters have paid their premium as with all new releases. Here are my reasons:
1} A new 980 card is still $380 minimum on new egg. The 1070 is not readily available at this time and its cost is more than the 980 card.
2} The fact that I will also gain HDR capability, and HDMI 2.0b, will be a plus for future monitors or TV's that I might purchase.
3} The power savings will be a positive.
4} My main game that I play is warhammer 40K and Dawn of war 3 will be coming out in 2017.
5} Crimson drivers updates have improved tremendously over the past year.
6} Even though I have the capability to purchase over 200 1080 cards tomorrow I will not spend 1 cent for the debacle that is FE.

Would a 980 TI be interesting? $370 AR:

http://slickdeals.net/f/8843563-msi-geforce-gtx-980ti-gaming-6g-golden-edition-399-or-369-ar?src=pdw

I wouldn't upgrade now if the games you intend to play with it aren't even out yet... why not wait until closer to release?

 

[Slaughterem]

Would a 980 TI be interesting? $370 AR:

http://slickdeals.net/f/8843563-msi-geforce-gtx-980ti-gaming-6g-golden-edition-399-or-369-ar?src=pdw

I wouldn't upgrade now if the games you intend to play with it aren't even out yet... why not wait until closer to release?

It is not just the games that I will purchase in the future, It revolves more around OLED and HDR. I am considering the LG 55 inch. Also Maxwell has shown not to be as capable with dx12

 

[4K_shmoorK]

6} Even though I have the capability to purchase over 200 1080 cards tomorrow I will not spend 1 cent for the debacle that is FE.

You have $140,000 to spend on video cards and you're wasting your time arguing the semantics of upgrading from a 290X on a graphics forum? :sneaky:

 

[b-mac]

I don't understand why people are up in arms that the 470/480 don't provide an upgrade option for people with 290/390 and 780/970. These cards aren't meant for folks who purchased them. If the benchmark prove to be true it provides a great upgrade path for folks with 760/770 and 7870/270 and below. If you want to upgrade from a 290 or 970 you will need to purchase a 1070 or 1080, which are hard to find at the moment.

 

[frozentundra123456]

If you still have the HD7770, then the RX470 will be a huge performance increase even in DX-11 games at very close the same TDP as well (80W vs 110W). You will also get a nice DX-12 performance and new features.

And nobody said they are focusing only on DX-12, it is that people are comparing the 3D Mark FireStike like it is the only DX-11 metric for their upgrade decision.

You think??? Yea, I still have the HD7770. I am impressed that you remember.

I will probably keep it until it dies (I am getting some artifacts, not sure it is the card though) or a new game comes out that I want to play badly enough to justify the price of a new card. Only thing I can think of would be a new single player Elder Scrolls game.

 

[96Firebird]

You have $140,000 to spend on video cards and you're wasting your time arguing the semantics of upgrading from a 290X on a graphics forum? :sneaky:

Yeah I mean come on, we don't want you to get a home equity loan to pay for graphics cards.

 

[xthetenth]

You have $140,000 to spend on video cards and you're wasting your time arguing the semantics of upgrading from a 290X on a graphics forum? :sneaky:

Some people enjoy getting the most for their money.

 

[4K_shmoorK]

I'm sure he was being facetious. If I had a house worth of disposable income, I'm not sure upgrading my graphics card (after spending over $350 for the first time on a 290X just 2 years prior) would even be on my list of scrupuli. :whiste:

 

[Lonyo]

I would really care about performance/$ first and foremost. Then other things come into play. But that's just me.

 

[casiofx]

I am simply saying that I would not upgrade right now based on DX12 performance alone. Any card I upgrade to would have to offer significantly improved performance in *both* DX11 and DX12. Obviously, that could change in a couple of years when DX12 is more widely adopted.

That said, I think the 470/480 will be great cards, but as usual, the hype train has gotten a bit out of control, since the cards have not even been released yet and we have not seen what nVidia will counter with. It is also ironic that a lot of posters in VC & G denigrated performance per watt mercilessly when Maxwell came out, but now it seems to be the holy grail.

Did you ever think the reason is was denigrated because the 980 and 970 was midrange sized chips but sold at high end prices? These people don't use cheap psus, the chase performance and having low power consumption cards are a bonus.
And then rx470 and 480 is mainstream cards, so it is important to have lower power consumption for people with cheap psus.

 

[Slaughterem]

You have $140,000 to spend on video cards and you're wasting your time arguing the semantics of upgrading from a 290X on a graphics forum? :sneaky:

When you work hard for your money you make sure that you don't spend frivolously. My point is I could spend that on comp stuff. My computer is only one toy, I have other interests also.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

As they did with the 280x,380, 270x,380x,370. Are you going to say they didn't target that market for the last 5 years?
I don't get what all th hype is about?
They will be lower and mid range cards for lower and mid range prices.

And on the other hand I see people acting like Nvidia is just gonna abandon the mid range,not release the 1060 and 1050 and just let AMD have the mid range /low end.

Next it will be Nvidia abandons all notebooks also and will stand by and watch AMD take all the market share.

Silverforce you always seemed to have you head screwed on right. Is this what you thinks gonna happen? Seriously.

Why are you yammering on about Nvidia in a RX470 benchmark thread? That is a rhetorical question btw, we know why.

You are way off topic, please stop.

 

[frozentundra123456]

I see your point, but OTOH, a lot of claims are being made about having the performance per watt lead without even having nVidia's similar level products for comparison. Seems a bit premature.

 

[Headfoot]

That said, I think the 470/480 will be great cards, but as usual, the hype train has gotten a bit out of control, since the cards have not even been released yet and we have not seen what nVidia will counter with. It is also ironic that a lot of posters in VC & G denigrated performance per watt mercilessly when Maxwell came out, but now it seems to be the holy grail.

It's just awful. Fermi -> Perf watt doesn't matter / Perf watt matters! based on team membership. kepler/tahiti -> Perf watt doesn't matter / Perf watt matters! flip flopped based on team, same for hawaii through maxwell. Now all of a sudden the teams have switched yet again. It's just so transparently a load of bull. Pretty sad really. I have maintained, and will continue to maintain that I don't give a single flying buck about power consumption except insofar as it allows higher performance. With the limited exception of mining cards, where perf/watt = profit. Give me price/perf and give me absolute perf.

 

[4K_shmoorK]

It's just awful. Fermi -> Perf watt doesn't matter / Perf watt matters! based on team membership. kepler/tahiti -> Perf watt doesn't matter / Perf watt matters! based on team, same for hawaii through maxwell. Now all of a sudden the teams have switched yet again. It's just so transparently a load of bull. Pretty sad really. I have maintained, and will continue to maintain that I don't give a single flying buck about power consumption except insofar as it allows higher performance. With the limited exception of mining cards, where perf/watt = profit. Give me price/perf and give me absolute perf.

Agree 100%. Electricity is cheap enough. Perf/$ is king.

 

[renderstate]

Perf/w directly translates in performance on power limited parts (i.e. Everything today). So it does matter, a lot! Every good enough developer already knows that in the vast majority of cases optimizing for performance or power leads to the same decisions.