(GURU3D RUMOR) AMD Polaris 10 GPU To Offer Near 980 Ti Performance For 299 USD?

[Glo.]

The hype is REAL. I genuinely suggest lowering expectations. AMD does not say anything about raw performance but only about efficiency. And people based on that expect miracles.

Which may mean this: last gen. performance in much lower power envelope.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

The hype is REAL. I genuinely suggest lowering expectations. AMD does not say anything about raw performance but only about efficiency. And people based on that expect miracles.

Which may mean this: last gen. performance in much lower power envelope.

So what happens to performance when you let clocks run wild on Polaris 10? I highly doubt an improved architecture that is allegedly comparable to their VR capable cards at really low power usage won't scale well with higher clocks.

I have a feeling that all the sub 100watt Polaris hype is being used as a decoy for the performance of a highly clocked Polaris using 175-200watts will actually be.

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[3DVagabond]

yeah it worked so well :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

I'm not a shareholder or employee. I don't care about sales. Just the hardware. You?

 

[Mahigan]

Sorry ?
Estimated shipment of VR headset for 2016 is only 2.5 million units
(source: http://www2.deloitte.com/global/en/...dia-virtual-reality-billion-dollar-niche.html )
This VR blurb is not where the money will be made in 2016. As usual, AMD is too much looking forward and doesn't think enough of the present. Then, when the function really matters, they are behind...

Yeah, and by 2020...VR is forecasted to surpass smartphones in sales.

AMD have sent Radeon Pro Duo's to all of the developers ensuring that VR titles will be optimized for GCN.

DX12 is already bearing fruit as well.

So where is NVIDIA headed? Cars?

 

[kraatus77]

I'm not a shareholder or employee. I don't care about sales. Just the hardware. You?

I thought Market share is what gives you more performance and improvements. :'(

 

[Vaporizer]

Who cares about cars anymore when you can go to the new fancy virtual Amazon Shopping Mall in VR and shop together with your friends without leaving your home?

 

[el etro]

I will place my price performance bets too!

Full p10: $350, 980Ti performance;
Cut p10: $250, R9 Fury performance;

Full p11: ?, around 380x performance, maybe;
Cut p11: ?, around GTX 960 performance.

 

[Mahigan]

I thought Market share is what gives you more performance and improvements. :'(

And NVIDIA's drivers have been superb as of November/December 2015 and on...oh wait...they've been horrible whereas AMDs have been great.

Now, when we talk about horrible drivers, NVIDIA get mentioned rather than AMD. It's being mentioned throughout the tech media too...so it's quite a noticeable change taking place.

 

[Glo.]

And NVIDIA's drivers have been superb as of November/December 2015 and on...oh wait...they've been horrible whereas AMDs have been great.

Now, when we talk about horrible drivers, NVIDIA get mentioned rather than AMD. It's being mentioned throughout the tech media too...so it's quite a noticeable change taking place.

I love when I watch MFPallytime streams on Youtube and he says that Nvidia drivers crashed in his rig. Again.
And he has dual GTX 980 to be precise.

 

[guskline]

I will place my price performance bets too!

Full p10: $350, 980Ti performance;
Cut p10: $250, R9 Fury performance;

Full p11: ?, around 380x performance, maybe;
Cut p11: ?, around GTX 960 performance.

Have you checked current prices?

Cheapest GTX 980TI @$569
Cheapest Fury @$469

el etro, I hope you are correct but why would AMD bring out a Full p10 with 980TI performance and under cut it's own Fury (less performance) by over $100? Especially since Dr. SU, CEO of AMD has repeatedly said she wants AMD to gain image as a premium brand?

I'll stick with Full p10 $499 and Cut p10 @$399.

P.S. Maybe you are correct since the new AMD Radeon Duo Fury X includes a third non-functional FuryX chip. OOPS it MSRP is $1499.

 

[R0H1T]

Yeah, and by 2020...VR is forecasted to surpass smartphones in sales.

AMD have sent Radeon Pro Duo's to all of the developers ensuring that VR titles will be optimized for GCN.

DX12 is already bearing fruit as well.

So where is NVIDIA headed? Cars?

How does that work, do they include smartphone bundled VR sales

As for pure numbers I'd say they're way off, a billion plus in terms of volumes is just a pipe dream at this point in time. The sales would have to explode each year for five years & the inflection point would have to be much lower i.e. lower than high end smartphones of today :hmm:

 

[USER8000]

The hype is REAL. I genuinely suggest lowering expectations. AMD does not say anything about raw performance but only about efficiency. And people based on that expect miracles.

Which may mean this: last gen. performance in much lower power envelope.

I still think R9 390 to Fury level performance but cheaper.

My prediction:
R9 480X - around R9 390 to Fury level performance but at £250 but slotting it at where the R9 390 is. Replaces the R9 390,R9 390X and Fury.
R9 480 - around R9 390/GTX970 level but around £175 to £200 and replaces the R9 380X.
R9 470X - around R9 380 to R9 380X 4GB performance but around £100 to £150. Might come in bus powered form and replaces the R9 380 4GB.
R9 470 - around £75 to £125 and replaces the R7 360X and R7 370 ,but around GTX960 level performance but bus powered.

 

[cm123]

This is something with which I have a problem. High frame rates as a solution to tearing.

Unless the frame is updated by the GPU exactly in time with the refresh update time of the monitor, there will exist tearing. In other words, you have to enable V-sync to eliminate tearing, even with high refresh rate monitors.

Having the GPU provide frames faster than the monitor's refresh rate is not a solution, as there will be a mismatch in timings and thus tearing will still occur.

Do you have V-sync enabled at 144 Hz?

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With the work I do I have a couple (few actually) of gaming systems - one of them I use Gsync with Asus 165Hz monitor...

On another I have AMD system (CPU and GPU) using same monitor, no V-sync.

Then have pair of Intel CPU's matched systems other than one has 1 (sometimes 2) Titan X, other 1 (sometimes 2) Fury X - certain games will use V-sync sometimes.

You're exactly right - though (just my humble opinion) we need some cards with a good amount more raw power at the end of the day to match the refresh rates (hence it sets me back to see AMD take support higher refresh rates, yet releasing new generation cards with little to no more raw power benefits).

Both SLi and CF at res 2560 x 1440 I find are much smoother than V-Sync, even G-sync (as long as game supports dual cards well) - however when get into FPS games it does add a bit to latency (my old aim needs any and all the help it can get these days

Just my wee opinion, and reading into things a bit - It seems to me that AMD is pushing the idea of systems with many video cards in the next next generation vs. even trying to keep up with the raw power Nvidia brings to the table (good for sales units as well) - Same idea in how they approached the CPU market years back thinking 8 (more) cores is going to win the game with little need for raw power.

If the future is what some feel it is, then AMD's ideas of many cores and many GPU's vs. Raw Power may go well for them - If not, look at the spread that starting to happen in CPU arena, we could see the same thing now in the GPU arena (if AMD is betting the farm incorrectly) - mix in there even with DX12 and its features, AMD has had its share of problems with keeping frames smooth and in-sync.

Again, just my humble opinion(s) and take on things though I'm hoping AMD hits the mark all the way as all the hype and then some as that would only be better for all of us.

 

[railven]

you proved exactly my point. this "looking forward" vision doesn't work.
After being laminated during one full year, they finally start to recover a bit of market share ? it's all bad because they lost lot of customers and when the inflection point is coming, booom next gen is here...

What I've felt for a long time.

ATI/AMD pioneers, does the heavy lifting, gets techs/products on the market, NV comes in when it's refined out of early adopter stage and reaps the benefits.

DX12 is just now hitting the big scene, and if NV does take a more GCN-Like approach, if it beats AMD I won't be surprised. And when the benches hit and people see NV again beat AMD, when they drop their Maxwell cards they aren't going to go to AMD because "well AMD pioneered this" they're going to stay with NV because "NV is beating AMD."

Hopefully AMD can scrap back more market share, if Zen doesn't light things up, they're going to need all the revenue they can get.

 

[el etro]

Have you checked current prices?

Cheapest GTX 980TI @$569
Cheapest Fury @$469

el etro, I hope you are correct but why would AMD bring out a Full p10 with 980TI performance and under cut it's own Fury (less performance) by over $100? Especially since Dr. SU, CEO of AMD has repeatedly said she wants AMD to gain image as a premium brand?

I'll stick with Full p10 $499 and Cut p10 @$399.

P.S. Maybe you are correct since the new AMD Radeon Duo Fury X includes a third non-functional FuryX chip. OOPS it MSRP is $1499.

Price i may know nuts, but i think performance is right.

 

[xpea]

I'm not a shareholder or employee. I don't care about sales. Just the hardware. You?

I'm not a shareholder of any tech company, neither. But we were talking about successful vision and how AMD forward looking features were useless. This graph proves my point. nothing more.

Yeah, and by 2020...VR is forecasted to surpass smartphones in sales.

AMD have sent Radeon Pro Duo's to all of the developers ensuring that VR titles will be optimized for GCN.

DX12 is already bearing fruit as well.

So where is NVIDIA headed? Cars?

wow so much ignorance in one post

FYI, VRWorks is directly included in Epic Unreal (v4.11) and Unity engines.
Main features of VRWorks are VR SLI and Multi-res Shading (very useful). The SDk is at version 3.1 now with tons of developers working on it. Key features are on the graph below:

and full documentation is available here:
https://developer.nvidia.com/vrworks

And you won't convince a single person on this earth saying that AMD has better developer support than Nvidia...

 

[renderstate]

Both AMD and NVIDIA have pioneered a lot of stuff that eventually ended up in 3D APIs. Right now Polaris should catch up on important DX12 features AMD are missing (conservative rasterization, raster order views, ..) and same story for NVIDIA.

Both companies have innovated a lot over the years and sure I hope they will continue to do so. Competition is good.


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[Arachnotronic]

The hype is REAL. I genuinely suggest lowering expectations. AMD does not say anything about raw performance but only about efficiency. And people based on that expect miracles.

Which may mean this: last gen. performance in much lower power envelope.

From the statements lately from AMD, I think this is a reasonable set of expectations for now. Polaris 10 looks like it will offer 390X-ish performance in a much, much better power envelope.

 

[Kenmitch]

What I've felt for a long time.

ATI/AMD pioneers, does the heavy lifting, gets techs/products on the market, NV comes in when it's refined out of early adopter stage and reaps the benefits.

DX12 is just now hitting the big scene, and if NV does take a more GCN-Like approach, if it beats AMD I won't be surprised. And when the benches hit and people see NV again beat AMD, when they drop their Maxwell cards they aren't going to go to AMD because "well AMD pioneered this" they're going to stay with NV because "NV is beating AMD."

Hopefully AMD can scrap back more market share, if Zen doesn't light things up, they're going to need all the revenue they can get.

Time will tell in the end.

 

[Glo.]

I'm not a shareholder of any tech company, neither. But we were talking about successful vision and how AMD forward looking features were useless. This graph proves my point. nothing more.


wow so much ignorance in one post

FYI, VRWorks is directly included in Epic Unreal (v4.11) and Unity engines.
Main features of VRWorks are VR SLI and Multi-res Shading (very useful). The SDk is at version 3.1 now with tons of developers working on it. Key features are on the graph below:

and full documentation is available here:
https://developer.nvidia.com/vrworks

And you won't convince a single person on this earth saying that AMD has better developer support than Nvidia...

And based on AMD Mantle are Metal, DirectX 12, Vulkan, Liquid VR. AMD hardware is in PC's, Consoles, Apple hardware. AMD opened a lot of development possibilities both for professional computing and gaming with OpenGPU.

Underestimating this is just plain ignorance. Im not saying this what we see on market is good thing, overall. But at least nothing here is proprietary.

Is everything what Nvidia can come up with is worse hardware and proprietary solutions?

 

[xLegenday]

My bet:

299 USD Polaris10 XT - slightly above 390X
249 USDPolaris 10 - 390~390X
189 USDPolaris 11 - 380

We should make a poll ...

 

[airfathaaaaa]

How does that work, do they include smartphone bundled VR sales

As for pure numbers I'd say they're way off, a billion plus in terms of volumes is just a pipe dream at this point in time. The sales would have to explode each year for five years & the inflection point would have to be much lower i.e. lower than high end smartphones of today :hmm:

ofc the ardeno 530 is the first gpu on a smartphone that can handle vr "Well"

 

[airfathaaaaa]

I'm not a shareholder of any tech company, neither. But we were talking about successful vision and how AMD forward looking features were useless. This graph proves my point. nothing more.


wow so much ignorance in one post

FYI, VRWorks is directly included in Epic Unreal (v4.11) and Unity engines.
Main features of VRWorks are VR SLI and Multi-res Shading (very useful). The SDk is at version 3.1 now with tons of developers working on it. Key features are on the graph below:

and full documentation is available here:
https://developer.nvidia.com/vrworks

And you won't convince a single person on this earth saying that AMD has better developer support than Nvidia...

im gonna regret for asking but please who are those "tons of developers" ?D:
you remind me of the guy that said "nvidia has chips on 8 million cars" D:

 

[moonbogg]

My bet:

299 USD Polaris10 XT - slightly above 390X
249 USDPolaris 10 - 390~390X
189 USDPolaris 11 - 380

We should make a poll ...

I will add a poll. Its going to be mazing and glorious.

Poll added. With all the various speculations, I could not possibly provide a poll option for everyone's speculation, so I generalized and provided the option to crap on the poll and call me a noob if you find it necessary.

 

[Despoiler]

I'm not a shareholder of any tech company, neither. But we were talking about successful vision and how AMD forward looking features were useless. This graph proves my point. nothing more.


wow so much ignorance in one post

FYI, VRWorks is directly included in Epic Unreal (v4.11) and Unity engines.
Main features of VRWorks are VR SLI and Multi-res Shading (very useful). The SDk is at version 3.1 now with tons of developers working on it. Key features are on the graph below:

and full documentation is available here:
https://developer.nvidia.com/vrworks

And you won't convince a single person on this earth saying that AMD has better developer support than Nvidia...

You can keep your supposed great support for inferior technology. LiquidVR and AMD's hardware are generations ahead of Nvidia's. I'm surprised Nvidia figured out they need to support preemption with Pascal.