For now yes, but cars are evolving like never before and cost structure could change. I believe few doubt cars will become more and more like compute hubs.
My gawd. I have to admit I didn't see this coming. Not from you. D:
AMD is rising, far from being pushed into bankruptcy, they will instead dominate the gaming market in short order. I figure that 2016 is the beginning of their rise, 2017 is the establishment of their superiority and 2018 is the end game with Navi.
Ya I gotta lol at that. A massive market change by 2018 is simply unbelievable. Unless Nvidia hired amds whole marketing department this simply seems like a fantasy
I can see the chip being as fast or faster than stock 980TI. But not with 256-bit GDDR5.
I expect a higher clocked part, maybe ~1300Mhz with GDDR5X, that would do it for sure.
I thought you knew.I was being serious. I suggest everyone skip the stupid advertisement on the youtube video above, listen to the amazing sound of the victory song and imagine in your mind the great rise of our fallen hero, ATI.
I have always been an Nvidia buyer with the exception of the 9700 pro, but that's only because I happened to get an Nvidia card first after 3DFX went down, and Nvidia and ATI were always neck and neck for the most part, so it didn't matter much so I stuck with what I was familiar with. I always respected ATI products as they existed alongside Nvidia GPUs and without them the graphics world wouldn't have been the same.
They laid the ground work, they created the foundation, they remained patient and they waited for the seeds of their great reign to sprout forth and push through the bitter crust of hatred and disapproval that has entombed them in recent years. From the ashes they will rise. They will be known as RTG and they will be the DX12 kings and rule the majority of gamer PC's and virtually all consoles around the world.
I thought you knew.
The secret.
RTG, really means
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I said secret, didnt I?RTG
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Look up RTG in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.
RTG may refer to:
Radeon Technology Group, who produces a brand of computer products, and is a division of Advanced Micro Devices
Radio Télévision Guinéenne, a public broadcaster in Guinea
Radioisotope thermoelectric generator, a nuclear electrical generator
Regular tree grammar, a formal grammar
Renal threshold of glucose, a factor in the medical condition glycosuria
ReTargetable Graphics, a device driver API for the AmigaOS operating system
RTG (trainset), a gas turbine-powered train from France
Royal Thai Government
Rubber Tyred Gantry crane
Obviously the last one is my fav
Margins are even thinner in automotive compared to smartphones (for Nvidia).
Gonna be hilarious to see AMD fanboys disappointed once more, rebrand after rebrand, the failure of the "overclockers dream" and now recently an overpriced dual gpu card that released almost a year too late.
How long do you think such margins will sustain, especially when the likes of Mediatek, QC or even Chinese enter the market it's game over for fat margins & it'll just be a repeat of smartphones! There is no plausible scenario where cheap ARM chipmakers will not take marketshare away from the more established players, the same has happened with QC, Samsung & even Apple. The only way Nvidia comes out of this unscathed, or better than where they're at now, is if they make their own cars, just like Apple.Margins for automotive are way way better. Nvidia made 400-500 million on Tegra automotive sales because out of the 560 that tegra generates as far as revenue annually, most of it is from automotive. They were included in 2.8 million infotainment centers last year. This means each system generated $142 dollars in revenue which considering the cost to make a tegra chip is a massive margin on such tiny chips.
The problem is Nvidia is spending alot of R and D on the Tegra program which makes it a loss. But gross margins for tegra in cars are fantastic.
If the volume doubles, which could happen in the future, the tegra business could easily become a cash cow like the professional maket.
I dunno how you came to that conclusion but then I remembered Maxwell & how it was supposed to be built from the ground up for efficiency, in many ways it was mobile first (at least rumors pointed that way) & how it'd be a game changer for Tegra ~ http://anandtech.com/print/8811/nvidia-tegra-x1-previewNot obvious for cars. Those presumably require strict software testing/compliance etc.
That will go a million times over for anything in the future related to self driving cars of course. NV are fairly used to that from the professional markets. There will be a lot of competition of course!
I'm not sure if overclocking headroom is a given for Polaris. Polaris is first and foremost a GPU architecture for semi custom stuff/consoles etc. So low power yes, but it also has to be capable of low cost production too.
They certainly won't have prioritised keeping overclocking headroom.
why amd would built a card for consoles than the desktops? semi custom stuff is semi custom stuff nothing to do with other areasNot obvious for cars. Those presumably require strict software testing/compliance etc.
That will go a million times over for anything in the future related to self driving cars of course. NV are fairly used to that from the professional markets. There will be a lot of competition of course!
I'm not sure if overclocking headroom is a given for Polaris. Polaris is first and foremost a GPU architecture for semi custom stuff/consoles etc. So low power yes, but it also has to be capable of low cost production too.
They certainly won't have prioritised keeping overclocking headroom.
How long do you think such margins will sustain, especially when the likes of Mediatek, QC or even Chinese enter the market it's game over for fat margins & it'll just be a repeat of smartphones! There is no plausible scenario where cheap ARM chipmakers will not take marketshare away from the more established players, the same has happened with QC, Samsung & even Apple. The only way Nvidia comes out of this unscathed, or better than where they're at now, is if they make their own cars, just like Apple.
With someone like Google you don't really need Cuda, besides being locked into CUDA would be a bad move for any single manufacturer since they'll be locked in with Nvidia. I'd say QC, Mediatek or even Samsung have a better chance at automotive if there are some industry standards that aids most (all?) automakers with deep learning & self driving cars.It's the software. NV offers their automotive pack with CUDA and all that comes with it eg. he machine learning stuff that can be used for recognition in traffic situations. Self driving cars will need a lot of computing power and the according software.
So in fact NVs strength here is the software. Mediatek and co. can't just easily copy that. In smartphones they don't need to. Android already exists and more isn't needed. Automotive isn't just hardware.
Margins for automotive are way way better. Nvidia made 400-500 million on Tegra automotive sales because out of the 560 that tegra generates as far as revenue annually, most of it is from automotive. They were included in 2.8 million infotainment centers last year. This means each system generated $142 dollars in revenue which considering the cost to make a tegra chip is a massive margin on such tiny chips.
The problem is Nvidia is spending alot of R and D on the Tegra program which makes it a loss. But gross margins for tegra in cars are fantastic.
If the volume doubles, which could happen in the future, the tegra business could easily become a cash cow like the professional maket.
otherwise self driving would take way more than a decade to really take off.
I'm sure you won't, neither am I, but that's beside the point anyway I hope we can have a dedicated self driving cars (aka Skynet 0.1) thread somewhere in the hardware sectionAnd that's almost certainly what will happen. Self-driving isn't even allowed in most countries by law. So laws have to be changed just to allow it not to mention who is liable in case of accident. The driver or manufacturer? I rather trust myself than a car manufacturer. If I am liable if they misprogram the car, I won't buy it. And you don't know if the car will literally kill you to avoid killing a group of people. Stuff like that needs to be in the law. I'm not gonna be a guinea pig for new laws and beta-software.
why amd would built a card for consoles than the desktops? semi custom stuff is semi custom stuff nothing to do with other areas
Because AMD is nearly broke and have to sell the PS4 Neo GPU and the Nintendo NX GPU as Desktop parts as well.
Vega perhaps will be a real Desktop SKU, but by that time Nvidia has already established more marketshare with GP104 and about to lash out with GP102. Those 2-3 billion R&D money Nvidia spent on Pascal pays off.