i dont know they keep getting very good licencing deals too
i guess that doesnt count on your universe..
lets see how nvidia will be after loosing samsung and intel deals you will say the same? ()
i dont know they keep getting very good licencing deals tooWell, they keep losing money, that's a fact.
Tell us more about these clairvoyant abilities you possess. As things stand, all AMD gets are some cash injections from Chinese joint ventures, and of course their semi-custom console clients. If Zen fails, AMD will have no choice but to downsize considerably, further hurting their ability to make competitive graphics products. No worries though, Roy Taylor and his charlatan sidekick Richard Huddy will just try hard to sell us more re-brands over and over again, pointing out that DX 12 is the future (even though that future is primarily in the developer's hands) and still managing to burn money at record rate.
Realistically, AMD will keep a small niche market (consoles, APUs), but become totally irrelevant to Nvidia and Intel and all the cool things both are pursuing.
Wanna talk about Pitcairn rebrands?
AMD has 2 Polaris GPUs coming in mid-2016 and 2 Vega GPUs in early 2017. These 4 GPUs will compete against Nvidia's GP107/GP106/GP104/GP100. As for rebrands in the 28nm generation AMD made decisions to devote resources to the most important projects for AMD's survival in the long term - Zen and Polaris.
Not to mention very old Pitcairn kicks gtx960 ass despite being smaller die:
humiliating, loosing to a rebrand.
Wanna talk about Pitcairn rebrands?
AMD has 2 Polaris GPUs coming in mid-2016 and 2 Vega GPUs in early 2017. These 4 GPUs will compete against Nvidia's GP107/GP106/GP104/GP100. As for rebrands in the 28nm generation AMD made decisions to devote resources to the most important projects for AMD's survival in the long term - Zen and Polaris.
Vega is coming in 2017, and past history suggests they always release at least 2 gpus on same dies. so 1 will be full vega and other one will be cut down part. cuz no point wasting those not fully functional dies.Do you have proof of two Vega GPUs in 2017?
right now GCN cards are outperforming Kepler/Maxwell counterparts in DX12 games. As you rightly pointed out losing to a AMD rebrand makes Nvidia's newer cards worse.
wait? you mean there is a chance that nvidia will actually "learn"to their cards how to do dx12?Sample size for "DX12 games" is very, very small. I recall that ahead of the last major AMD product launch, you were posting some very, shall we say, "optimistic" views of Fiji's performance. I can dig up the quotes if you'd like, but I distinctly remember you predicting that Fury/Fury X would handily best 980 Ti.
I think it is prudent for you to wait for more DX12 titles, particularly ones that aren't bug ridden messes, before you proclaim that AMD is about to take the performance crown/grab tons of market share from NVIDIA.
wait? you mean there is a chance that nvidia will actually "learn"to their cards how to do dx12?
they gonna magically give them abilities that they are missing in hardware level?
or somehow they gonna implent gameworks on dx12 to gimp amd?
Is this really the best you can do? You forgot to replace "gameworks" with "gamewrecks".
Clearly, in the history of consumer GPUs, no company has ever directly or indirectly improved their performance using SW to work around HW limitations. Silly AMD for pushing on developers their own library to cull geometry in SW because their current architecture doesn't exactly excel at it.
Perhaps it's time to grow up a little and try to not so blatantly root for this or that company without bringing anything substantial to the conversation. If that's really the best you can do you could save us, and more importantly yourself, a lot of time by just writing "NVIDIA sucks & AMD rules" in your posts.
Do you have proof of two Vega GPUs in 2017?
Sample size for "DX12 games" is very, very small. I recall that ahead of the last major AMD product launch, you were posting some very, shall we say, "optimistic" views of Fiji's performance. I can dig up the quotes if you'd like, but I distinctly remember you predicting that Fury/Fury X would handily best 980 Ti.
I think it is prudent for you to wait for more DX12 titles, particularly ones that aren't bug ridden messes, before you proclaim that AMD is about to take the performance crown/grab tons of market share from NVIDIA.
please do point out where amd gave them a piece of sw in order to improve their tessalation culling via software(not to mention that amd cant do a very specific type of culling not all of them..)
also perhaps you should check the reality there are many games that i can name them that had nvidia tech on them (and on some cases it couldnt even be disabled **cough cough project cars cough cough**) and destroyed the perf on amd cards especially the ones with hbao+(also its a mystery how amd performs so well when you turn them off i guess its just tin foil hats sort of thing..)
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even the first dx12 game that was a mess it became even more unplayable on amd cards because it had hbao+ and we are talking about a dx9 game...
so wait you are actually comparing an open sourced solution that became available 2 months ago and its not even on a single game to actually have a measurement on how it perfoms on nvidia to a black box that is being known for years that certain pp filters of it really slows down the competition?I did not mention tessellation but here we go:
http://gpuopen.com/gaming-product/geometryfx/
A reasonable person would say "I was wrong" but I am sure you'll inundate me with a dozen non sequitur, just because..
AMD HW is not particularly good at running HBAO shaders, so what?
Don't bother replying, I'll sum up your next post for you. It goes a bit like this "NVIDIA is the worst and AMD helps grannies cross the highway"
you are sore that Nvidia cards are getting hammered in the recent DX12 games and are giving really lame excuses to defend your camp. Please note here I am not making predictions about Polaris vs Pascal. So I don't know why are you talking about any predictions. You are just not able to even accept the game benchmarks by multiple sites which show GCN cards performing better in DX12 games. Thats how badly your bias is. As for the next gen contest I would rather wait for reviews to see how these upcoming architectures fare. But as it stands now Maxwell and Kepler are just not able to keep up with GCN in DX12 games.
Is this really the best you can do? You forgot to replace "gameworks" with "gamewrecks".
Clearly, in the history of consumer GPUs, no company has ever directly or indirectly improved their performance using SW to work around HW limitations. Silly AMD for pushing on developers their own library to cull geometry in SW because their current architecture doesn't exactly excel at it.
Perhaps it's time to grow up a little and try to not so blatantly root for this or that company without bringing anything substantial to the conversation. If that's really the best you can do you could save us, and more importantly yourself, a lot of time by just writing "NVIDIA sucks & AMD rules" in your posts.
so wait you are actually comparing an open sourced solution that became available 2 months ago and its not even on a single game to actually have a measurement on how it perfoms on nvidia to a black box that is being known for years that certain pp filters of it really slows down the competition?
and then you say to me that is that the best i can do?
the only thing we have seen so far is tressfx that evolved into purehair and that little add on doesnt affect at all both companies...
yeah i get it so what its ok when one company destroys another using locked down software
but its not ok when the second company release an open source version of them to be used by anyone...
epic lol
Not to mention very old Pitcairn kicks gtx960 ass despite being smaller die:
humiliating, loosing to a rebrand.
do you even bother to read anandtech articles ?
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10145/amd-unveils-gpu-architecture-roadmap-after-polaris-comes-vega
"Meanwhile AMD has also confirmed the number of GPUs in the Vega stack and their names. Well be seeing a Vega 10 and a Vega 11. This follows Polaris GPU naming which has finally been confirmed with Polaris 10 and Polaris 11. I have also been told that Polaris 11 is the smaller of the Polaris GPUs, so at this point its reasonable to assume the same for Vega."
you are sore that Nvidia cards are getting hammered in the recent DX12 games and are giving really lame excuses to defend your camp. Please note here I am not making predictions about Polaris vs Pascal. So I don't know why are you talking about any predictions. You are just not able to even accept the game benchmarks by multiple sites which show GCN cards performing better in DX12 games. Thats how badly your bias is. As for the next gen contest I would rather wait for reviews to see how these upcoming architectures fare. But as it stands now Maxwell and Kepler are just not able to keep up with GCN in DX12 games.
I have not made any claims that AMD will take the performance crown. But I believe AMD will gain back market share slowly and steadily. AMD took market share with a older and mostly rebranded lineup in Q4 2015. So I expect them to do much better with a newly designed architecture.
https://jonpeddie.com/press-release...nts-increased-in-2015-while-all-else-declined
raghu78, do you consider yourself objective with respect to AMD and NVIDIA?