guy at school's esophagus was torn away from his stomach

[PowerMac4Ever]

Originally posted by: PingSpike
I'm not sure how excited they will be about giving a 40,000$ loan to a kid who's about to die.

Banks wouldn't give loans to kids even if they were healthy..

 

[KokomoGST]

Dang... I thought in most areas there are laws against refusing service to those without insurance.

BTW, I wouldn't say that the US has the best healthcare system in the world at all. Too much political bullcrap for it to be as good as it can be. Singapore definitely has better healthcare.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever

Originally posted by: PingSpike
I'm not sure how excited they will be about giving a 40,000$ loan to a kid who's about to die.

Banks wouldn't give loans to kids even if they were healthy..

Not to mention that this is realistically probably closer to a $100L surgery. My ruptured colon was billed at just under $20K, and that was in Rapid City (which has to be on the low end of hospital costs), with one surgeon for a few hours and less than a day in intensive care.

My mother's esophagus-removal surgery involved the hospital's Chief of Surgery and some specialist flown in from Cornell Medical School working for the better part of a day, and she was in intensive care for at least a few days. If anything this guy's case sounds even worse than hers (though at least that surgery is no longer especially rare - Mom was, I believe, the 14th person in the world to have it).

 

[LordMorpheus]

Originally posted by: Dacalo
Medicine has become a fvcking business, not service.

One of many reasons why I didn't persue medicine.

Would you take a job in which you perfrom lengthy and stressful operations on people for no money?

I don't get this doctor-bashing. The people we should get pissed at are the damn malpractice lawyers, and the malpractice insurance people. The insurance companies have to jack their rates sky high due to these jackhole lawyers, who contribute absolutely nothing to society, suing a doctor because an operation hurt.

The doctors and hospitals, in turn, have to crank their rates sky high to pay for insurance to protect from a devi - i mean, lawyer suing them out of existance. They CAN'T AFFORD to treat people and not ever see any money. It pisses me off when I see people whining about doctors being money grubbers when a malpractice attorney is driving a 7-series.

This kid should have been treated. But I don't blame the doctors. I blame the malpractice lawyers, the insurance companies, and the healthcare system, in that order.

 

[Eug]

Sounds like possibly a Mallory-Weiss tear.

They may get better on their own, but they are potentially a very serious condition in certain situations. Whatever it is, he should be followed up somewhere asap for sure.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: LordMorpheus
The people we should get pissed at are the damn malpractice lawyers, and the malpractice insurance people.

Do we blame the lawyers?
Or do we blame the average joe idiot juror who is returning guilty verdicts and gargantuan awards?

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: LordMorpheus

Originally posted by: Dacalo
Medicine has become a fvcking business, not service.

One of many reasons why I didn't persue medicine.

Would you take a job in which you perfrom lengthy and stressful operations on people for no money?

I don't get this doctor-bashing. The people we should get pissed at are the damn malpractice lawyers, and the malpractice insurance people. The insurance companies have to jack their rates sky high due to these jackhole lawyers, who contribute absolutely nothing to society, suing a doctor because an operation hurt.

The doctors and hospitals, in turn, have to crank their rates sky high to pay for insurance to protect from a devi - i mean, lawyer suing them out of existance. They CAN'T AFFORD to treat people and not ever see any money. It pisses me off when I see people whining about doctors being money grubbers when a malpractice attorney is driving a 7-series.

This kid should have been treated. But I don't blame the doctors. I blame the malpractice lawyers, the insurance companies, and the healthcare system, in that order.

I'm not sure who said doctors was the cause, I know I didn't. Doctors deserve the compensation they get, because its a demanding job that requires immense ambition and intellect to be good at.

For what its worth, I agree with your order of blame. All the buecratic bull, extra paper work for referals, back referals, co-pays retroactive billing, etc coupled with our sue happy society is draining the health care system. Health care costs aren't going up because it costs more to treat a person, but because it cost more to pay for it and to pay for malpractice insurance.

Its a real problem, and I personally feel some government controled program could do a better job. Its pretty clear allowing the market to control it has failed in this case.

 

[her209]

How's his gf doing?

 

[episodic]

Originally posted by: LordMorpheus

Originally posted by: Dacalo
Medicine has become a fvcking business, not service.

One of many reasons why I didn't persue medicine.

Would you take a job in which you perfrom lengthy and stressful operations on people for no money?

I don't get this doctor-bashing. The people we should get pissed at are the damn malpractice lawyers, and the malpractice insurance people. The insurance companies have to jack their rates sky high due to these jackhole lawyers, who contribute absolutely nothing to society, suing a doctor because an operation hurt.

The doctors and hospitals, in turn, have to crank their rates sky high to pay for insurance to protect from a devi - i mean, lawyer suing them out of existance. They CAN'T AFFORD to treat people and not ever see any money. It pisses me off when I see people whining about doctors being money grubbers when a malpractice attorney is driving a 7-series.

This kid should have been treated. But I don't blame the doctors. I blame the malpractice lawyers, the insurance companies, and the healthcare system, in that order.

You would not need lawyers if the doctors would admit their mistakes and compensate fairly for them to begin with.

Doctors ' for the most part ' are money grubbing. You'd be amazed at the difference in treatment you get if you are a 'cash' patient.

We need a national health care system, like *gasp* Canada, Brazil, or many other places. You ask if I were a doctor, would I want to do long and stressful operations for no compensation? Doctors by the thousands did just that in the early history of country. Frontier doctors patched people up and worked long hours and were happy to have the support of the community, what payment they could get, and anything in trade for their services. Also the doctors did not turn thier patients over to the collection agencies when they paid what they could every month to them.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: her209
How's his gf doing?

upset

 

[CanOWorms]

He doesn't have insurance through his university? It's usually pretty cheap.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: brigden
I love living in Canada. Free healthcare.

How? You live in CANADA

 

[xSkyDrAx]

Ouch man. I can't imagine being digested from the inside out, hope he gets it fixed soon.

 

[Perknose]

My mother actually had an operation about 12 years ago to have her esophagus removed, after it developed a precancerous condition - her stomach is now at the base of her neck (you would never know it - she looks perfectly normal and eats normally).

My wife Jessie developed Barrett's Esophagus (that precancerous condition you mention)nearly three years ago at age 42 and had an esophagectomy (what your Mom had, a resection of the affected PART and reattachment, moving the stomach up) at the University of Pennsylvania under one of the most experienced doctors in the field.

FWIW, the operation was probably a success, but they fvcked up her post operative care, and after 30 straight days in a coma with me by her side, she died.

I miss her like it was yesterday. :|:heart:

 

[bdjohnson]

ouch.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Perknose
 
My wife Jessie developed Barrett's Esophagus (that precancerous condition you mention) nearly three years ago at age 42 and had an esophagectomy (what your Mom had, a resection of the affected PART and reattachment, moving the stomach up) at the University of Pennsylvania under one of the most experienced doctors in the field.

FWIW, the operation was probably a success, but they fvcked up her post operative care, and after 30 straight days in a coma with me by her side, she died.

I miss her like it was yesterday. :|:heart:

My god - I'm terribly sorry for your loss.

My mother actually did have her entire esophagus removed. They were going to resect it at the Mayo Clinic, but told her that she would have a very hard time eating because she would lose peristalsis, whereas removing the entire thing, and moving her stomach into her chest cavity (which is what they did) would actually have less collateral impact. At the time this was a new and novel operation, but I think it is much more common now.

Again, my deepest sympathies. That is just terrible, and I hope you have been able to rebuild and find renewed happiness. She is in a better place.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
He doesn't have insurance through his university? It's usually pretty cheap.

HS man

 

[IcemanJer]

dang Perknose.

 

[Ranger X]

Originally posted by: Legendary

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: PingSpike
Remember, the United States has the best health care system in the world and all others pale in comparison. Unless you're poor, then you're welcome to die on the street like everyone else in a third world country.

Troll

I dunno - I'd say it's pretty well on topic.

Troll isn't necessarily off-topic, just trying to incite flames.
I'd say he fits the bill, even if he's not entirely incorrect, it's a touchy subject for many.

So what are we supposed to do? Just sit here, contribute to how healthcare suck in the United States? Why is it wrong to voice an opinion? It's the truth and this is no where close to being a sore subject.

 

[Dissipate]

Folks, this is why you get medical insurance, this is also why you should be thankful for medical insurance if you already have it. I'm very thankful to be on a PPO plan, as opposed to an HMO, so I can see quality doctors. I don't blame the doctors, the lawyers or anyone other than this guy's parents. Their negligence/neglect has landed their son into a very bad situation. I don't care what cirumstances you are in, health insurance for your kids should be a #1 priority and this poor guy's parents obviously didn't see or realize that.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Folks, this is why you get medical insurance, this is also why you should be thankful for medical insurance if you already have it. I'm very thankful to be on a PPO plan, as opposed to an HMO, so I can see quality doctors. I don't blame the doctors, the lawyers or anyone other than this guy's parents. Their negligence/neglect has landed their son into a very bad situation. I don't care what cirumstances you are in, health insurance for your kids should be a #1 priority and this poor guy's parents obviously didn't see or realize that.

Or, obviously, couldn't afford it.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Folks, this is why you get medical insurance, this is also why you should be thankful for medical insurance if you already have it. I'm very thankful to be on a PPO plan, as opposed to an HMO, so I can see quality doctors. I don't blame the doctors, the lawyers or anyone other than this guy's parents. Their negligence/neglect has landed their son into a very bad situation. I don't care what cirumstances you are in, health insurance for your kids should be a #1 priority and this poor guy's parents obviously didn't see or realize that.

Or, obviously, couldn't afford it.

If you cannot afford health insurance for your children you have no right to bring them into this world in the first place, IMO. That's like saying: "Oh honey, let's have kids and submit them to all kinds of pain and suffering because we can't afford their health insurance or even to feed them..."

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Folks, this is why you get medical insurance, this is also why you should be thankful for medical insurance if you already have it. I'm very thankful to be on a PPO plan, as opposed to an HMO, so I can see quality doctors. I don't blame the doctors, the lawyers or anyone other than this guy's parents. Their negligence/neglect has landed their son into a very bad situation. I don't care what cirumstances you are in, health insurance for your kids should be a #1 priority and this poor guy's parents obviously didn't see or realize that.

Or, obviously, couldn't afford it.

If you cannot afford health insurance for your children you have no right to bring them into this world in the first place, IMO. That's like saying: "Oh honey, let's have kids and submit them to all kinds of pain and suffering because we can't afford their health insurance or even to feed them..."

:roll:

Time to take off the blinders and look at the real world. Even though you have a valid point, it just doesen't work like that.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

If you cannot afford health insurance for your children you have no right to bring them into this world in the first place, IMO. That's like saying: "Oh honey, let's have kids and submit them to all kinds of pain and suffering because we can't afford their health insurance or even to feed them..."

What if you lose your job? Also, you seem to be implying that poor people have no right to have children, and that nothing bad could ever happen to an otherwise-productive person (e.g., an injury, illness, or other problem) that might affect their ability to earn. Nobody is perfect - not even parents.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: Dissipate

If you cannot afford health insurance for your children you have no right to bring them into this world in the first place, IMO. That's like saying: "Oh honey, let's have kids and submit them to all kinds of pain and suffering because we can't afford their health insurance or even to feed them..."

What if you lose your job? Also, you seem to be implying that poor people have no right to have children, and that nothing bad could ever happen to an otherwise-productive person (e.g., an injury, illness, or other problem) that might affect their ability to earn. Nobody is perfect - not even parents.

Obviously you cannot anticipate everything that can happen but determining whether or not you can properly provide for children isn't rocket science, its a matter of comparing costs to income. As for losing your job, a fisically responsible parent would already have at least 2 months pay saved up and have life insurance.

Nobody is perfect is no excuse for imposing pain and suffering on another human being. Being poor does not suddenly give anyone the right to have children at society's expense. When you do that you are imposing on other people's rights to economic freedom.