guy at school's esophagus was torn away from his stomach

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Folks, this is why you get medical insurance, this is also why you should be thankful for medical insurance if you already have it. I'm very thankful to be on a PPO plan, as opposed to an HMO, so I can see quality doctors. I don't blame the doctors, the lawyers or anyone other than this guy's parents. Their negligence/neglect has landed their son into a very bad situation. I don't care what cirumstances you are in, health insurance for your kids should be a #1 priority and this poor guy's parents obviously didn't see or realize that.

Or, obviously, couldn't afford it.

If you cannot afford health insurance for your children you have no right to bring them into this world in the first place, IMO. That's like saying: "Oh honey, let's have kids and submit them to all kinds of pain and suffering because we can't afford their health insurance or even to feed them..."

:roll:

Time to take off the blinders and look at the real world. Even though you have a valid point, it just doesen't work like that.

The world doesn't work in a lot of ways that it should, the way the world works does not justify the injustices the world creates.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Folks, this is why you get medical insurance, this is also why you should be thankful for medical insurance if you already have it. I'm very thankful to be on a PPO plan, as opposed to an HMO, so I can see quality doctors. I don't blame the doctors, the lawyers or anyone other than this guy's parents. Their negligence/neglect has landed their son into a very bad situation. I don't care what cirumstances you are in, health insurance for your kids should be a #1 priority and this poor guy's parents obviously didn't see or realize that.

Or, obviously, couldn't afford it.

If you cannot afford health insurance for your children you have no right to bring them into this world in the first place, IMO. That's like saying: "Oh honey, let's have kids and submit them to all kinds of pain and suffering because we can't afford their health insurance or even to feed them..."

:roll:

Time to take off the blinders and look at the real world. Even though you have a valid point, it just doesen't work like that.

The world doesn't work in a lot of ways that it should, the way the world works does not justify the injustices the world creates.

So you admit your opinion has no bearing on the real world...

So what is your point then?

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Folks, this is why you get medical insurance, this is also why you should be thankful for medical insurance if you already have it. I'm very thankful to be on a PPO plan, as opposed to an HMO, so I can see quality doctors. I don't blame the doctors, the lawyers or anyone other than this guy's parents. Their negligence/neglect has landed their son into a very bad situation. I don't care what cirumstances you are in, health insurance for your kids should be a #1 priority and this poor guy's parents obviously didn't see or realize that.

Or, obviously, couldn't afford it.

If you cannot afford health insurance for your children you have no right to bring them into this world in the first place, IMO. That's like saying: "Oh honey, let's have kids and submit them to all kinds of pain and suffering because we can't afford their health insurance or even to feed them..."

:roll:

Time to take off the blinders and look at the real world. Even though you have a valid point, it just doesen't work like that.

The world doesn't work in a lot of ways that it should, the way the world works does not justify the injustices the world creates.

So you admit your opinion has no bearing on the real world...

So what is your point then?

My point is under your logic I could punch you in the face for no reason and proclaim: "That's the way the real world works." Obviously, my actions are illogical and the mere fact that I performed this action does not justify it.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Folks, this is why you get medical insurance, this is also why you should be thankful for medical insurance if you already have it. I'm very thankful to be on a PPO plan, as opposed to an HMO, so I can see quality doctors. I don't blame the doctors, the lawyers or anyone other than this guy's parents. Their negligence/neglect has landed their son into a very bad situation. I don't care what cirumstances you are in, health insurance for your kids should be a #1 priority and this poor guy's parents obviously didn't see or realize that.

Or, obviously, couldn't afford it.

If you cannot afford health insurance for your children you have no right to bring them into this world in the first place, IMO. That's like saying: "Oh honey, let's have kids and submit them to all kinds of pain and suffering because we can't afford their health insurance or even to feed them..."

:roll:

Time to take off the blinders and look at the real world. Even though you have a valid point, it just doesen't work like that.

The world doesn't work in a lot of ways that it should, the way the world works does not justify the injustices the world creates.

So you admit your opinion has no bearing on the real world...

So what is your point then?

My point is under your logic I could punch you in the face for no reason and proclaim: "That's the way the real world works." Obviously, my actions are illogical and the mere fact that I performed this action does not justify it.

WTF? Your analogy makes absolutely no sense. If you punched me in the face for no reason, it would be assault. You compare that to child bearing?....

Hello, wake up. Not everybody that has children makes 50k a year, as much as you want them to or think they should. I still don't understand the point of your opinion, if you realize that it has no bearing on the real world.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Obviously you cannot anticipate everything that can happen but determining whether or not you can properly provide for children isn't rocket science, its a matter of comparing costs to income. As for losing your job, a fisically responsible parent would already have at least 2 months pay saved up and have life insurance.

Nobody is perfect is no excuse for imposing pain and suffering on another human being. Being poor does not suddenly give anyone the right to have children at society's expense. When you do that you are imposing on other people's rights to economic freedom.

How long do you think two months of pay will last considering the last economic downturn we just went through?

I'm curious, do you work full time or do you get handouts from the bank of mommy and daddy?

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Folks, this is why you get medical insurance, this is also why you should be thankful for medical insurance if you already have it. I'm very thankful to be on a PPO plan, as opposed to an HMO, so I can see quality doctors. I don't blame the doctors, the lawyers or anyone other than this guy's parents. Their negligence/neglect has landed their son into a very bad situation. I don't care what cirumstances you are in, health insurance for your kids should be a #1 priority and this poor guy's parents obviously didn't see or realize that.

Or, obviously, couldn't afford it.

If you cannot afford health insurance for your children you have no right to bring them into this world in the first place, IMO. That's like saying: "Oh honey, let's have kids and submit them to all kinds of pain and suffering because we can't afford their health insurance or even to feed them..."

:roll:

Time to take off the blinders and look at the real world. Even though you have a valid point, it just doesen't work like that.

The world doesn't work in a lot of ways that it should, the way the world works does not justify the injustices the world creates.

So you admit your opinion has no bearing on the real world...

So what is your point then?

My point is under your logic I could punch you in the face for no reason and proclaim: "That's the way the real world works." Obviously, my actions are illogical and the mere fact that I performed this action does not justify it.

WTF? Your analogy makes absolutely no sense. If you punched me in the face for no reason, it would be assault. You compare that to child bearing?....

Hello, wake up. Not everybody that has children makes 50k a year, as much as you want them to or think they should. I still don't understand the point of your opinion, if you realize that it has no bearing on the real world.

Yes, I compare it to bearing a child and not being able to care for it. In both cases an injustice has been performed against another human being. It is simply not humane to bring a child into the world for which you cannot provide basic services. If this were medieval times standards would be different, but in this modern nation providing basic services for your children doesn't require a PhD, or a six figure salary.

Once again you are justifying actions with actions themselves. Do you have any faculty for logic? Simply committing an action does not justify it. If one is to ethically bring children into this world they must weigh the costs of providing basic services such as health insurance for their children with their income.

 

[Kaiser__Sose]

Originally posted by: brigden
I love living in Canada. Free healthcare.

true.. but he would be waiting for a while for the surgery..

it's all a matter of choice ... in the US they pay for healthcare out of pocket and get service quicker ...
in Canada we pay for heathcare through increased taxes and because of that people go to the hospital every day for a runny nose and service suffers..
personally i prefer our Canadian system because everyone has the right to equal treatment but there are downfalls to every system.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Obviously you cannot anticipate everything that can happen but determining whether or not you can properly provide for children isn't rocket science, its a matter of comparing costs to income. As for losing your job, a fisically responsible parent would already have at least 2 months pay saved up and have life insurance.

Nobody is perfect is no excuse for imposing pain and suffering on another human being. Being poor does not suddenly give anyone the right to have children at society's expense. When you do that you are imposing on other people's rights to economic freedom.

How long do you think two months of pay will last considering the last economic downturn we just went through?

I'm curious, do you work full time or do you get handouts from the bank of mommy and daddy?

Parents are obligated to plan for the worst, if it takes 5 months pay or a years pay to save up, they should do so. Otherwise they are putting their children at risk which is not acceptable.

Looks like you have already started committing one of these. Attack my arguments, not me or else your arguments will be rubbish.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Parents are obligated to plan for the worst, if it takes 5 months pay or a years pay to save up, they should do so. Otherwise they are putting their children at risk which is not acceptable.

Looks like you have already started committing one of these. Attack my arguments, not me or else your arguments will be rubbish.

Do you have ANY idea how much it costs to get decent health care for a whole family without a plan from an employer? I don't care if you have a years worth of after tax salary saved out, one economic bust and you're f*cked.

I bet you aren't even paying for the net connection you're using. Maybe you should grow the f*ck up, see how the world actually works on your own and then talk.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Folks, this is why you get medical insurance, this is also why you should be thankful for medical insurance if you already have it. I'm very thankful to be on a PPO plan, as opposed to an HMO, so I can see quality doctors. I don't blame the doctors, the lawyers or anyone other than this guy's parents. Their negligence/neglect has landed their son into a very bad situation. I don't care what cirumstances you are in, health insurance for your kids should be a #1 priority and this poor guy's parents obviously didn't see or realize that.

Or, obviously, couldn't afford it.

If you cannot afford health insurance for your children you have no right to bring them into this world in the first place, IMO. That's like saying: "Oh honey, let's have kids and submit them to all kinds of pain and suffering because we can't afford their health insurance or even to feed them..."

:roll:

Time to take off the blinders and look at the real world. Even though you have a valid point, it just doesen't work like that.

The world doesn't work in a lot of ways that it should, the way the world works does not justify the injustices the world creates.

So you admit your opinion has no bearing on the real world...

So what is your point then?

My point is under your logic I could punch you in the face for no reason and proclaim: "That's the way the real world works." Obviously, my actions are illogical and the mere fact that I performed this action does not justify it.

WTF? Your analogy makes absolutely no sense. If you punched me in the face for no reason, it would be assault. You compare that to child bearing?....

Hello, wake up. Not everybody that has children makes 50k a year, as much as you want them to or think they should. I still don't understand the point of your opinion, if you realize that it has no bearing on the real world.

Yes, I compare it to bearing a child and not being able to care for it. In both cases an injustice has been performed against another human being. It is simply not humane to bring a child into the world for which you cannot provide basic services. If this were medieval times standards would be different, but in this modern nation providing basic services for your children doesn't require a PhD, or a six figure salary.

Once again you are justifying actions with actions themselves. Do you have any faculty for logic? Simply committing an action does not justify it. If one is to ethically bring children into this world they must weigh the costs of providing basic services such as health insurance for their children with their income.

Uh, hello. I agree with your general train of thought, I am just telling you that it is completely unrealistic. Who draws the line? Are we going to start requiring licenses to have children now? Is one of the requirements for the license that you must have a certain income? What kind of world is this?

I am telling you that you are living in a fantasy world if you really believe that. How old are you?

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Parents are obligated to plan for the worst, if it takes 5 months pay or a years pay to save up, they should do so. Otherwise they are putting their children at risk which is not acceptable.

Looks like you have already started committing one of these. Attack my arguments, not me or else your arguments will be rubbish.

Do you have ANY idea how much it costs to get decent health care for a whole family without a plan from an employer? I don't care if you have a years worth of after tax salary saved out, one economic bust and you're f*cked.

I bet you aren't even paying for the net connection you're using. Maybe you should grow the f*ck up, see how the world actually works on your own and then talk.

Costs are not the issue. This is a situation where two individuals have a choice, their choice affects the well being of an innocent human. Outside of freak accidents and highly improbable events, they are obligated by the laws of ethics to insure that their children are properly cared for.

Let me lay it out simply for you:

Can I have children and provide for them as long as freak accidents and highly improbable events do not occur?

If yes, have children, if no, do not have children.


With highly improbable being 1/N with N being an integer greater than or equal to 100,000.


Using this again I see, you aren't helping yourself here, just digging yourself into a deeper hole. In fact your argument would already be completely thrown out of the academic community.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Parents are obligated to plan for the worst, if it takes 5 months pay or a years pay to save up, they should do so. Otherwise they are putting their children at risk which is not acceptable.

Looks like you have already started committing one of these. Attack my arguments, not me or else your arguments will be rubbish.

Do you have ANY idea how much it costs to get decent health care for a whole family without a plan from an employer? I don't care if you have a years worth of after tax salary saved out, one economic bust and you're f*cked.

I bet you aren't even paying for the net connection you're using. Maybe you should grow the f*ck up, see how the world actually works on your own and then talk.

Costs are not the issue. This is a situation where two individuals have a choice, their choice affects the well being of an innocent human. Outside of freak accidents and highly improbable events, they are obligated by the laws of ethics to insure that their children are properly cared for.

Let me lay it out simply for you:

Can I have children and provide for them as long as freak accidents and highly improbable events do not occur?

If yes, have children, if no, do not have children.


With highly improbable being 1/N with N being an integer greater than or equal to 100,000.


Using this again I see, you aren't helping yourself here, just digging yourself into a deeper hole. In fact your argument would already be completely thrown out of the academic community.

Ok, I have just concluded that you are deluded. We do not live in a utopian world, as much as you would like to believe it.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Costs are not the issue. This is a situation where two individuals have a choice, their choice affects the well being of an innocent human. Outside of freak accidents and highly improbable events, they are obligated by the laws of ethics to insure that their children are properly cared for.

Let me lay it out simply for you:

Can I have children and provide for them as long as freak accidents and highly improbable events do not occur?

If yes, have children, if no, do not have children.


With highly improbable being 1/N with N being an integer greater than or equal to 100,000.


Using this again I see, you aren't helping yourself here, just digging yourself into a deeper hole. In fact your argument would already be completely thrown out of the academic community.

GOD DAMMIT STUPID PUSSY DRIP SHUT THE F*CK UP. YOU'RE JUST A STUPID KID IN HIGH SCHOOL WHO THINKS HE'S SMART.

COST NOT AN ISSUE? HOW THE F*CK DO YOU THINK YOU GET HEALTH INSURANCE IF YOU HAVE NO MONEY? YOU CAN'T EVEN STEAL HEALTH INSURANCE.

 

[Insane3D]

Oohhhhh...he is SO SMART guys. We really shouldn't bother even TRYING to refute his argument....I mean...anyone who can turn life into an algebra equation must be so smart we HAVE NO CHANCE.

:roll:

Hey...dissipate...how's the air waaaaaaaaay up there? Do we all look like ants down here or what?

:roll:

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Costs are not the issue. This is a situation where two individuals have a choice, their choice affects the well being of an innocent human. Outside of freak accidents and highly improbable events, they are obligated by the laws of ethics to insure that their children are properly cared for.

Let me lay it out simply for you:

Can I have children and provide for them as long as freak accidents and highly improbable events do not occur?

If yes, have children, if no, do not have children.


With highly improbable being 1/N with N being an integer greater than or equal to 100,000.


Using this again I see, you aren't helping yourself here, just digging yourself into a deeper hole. In fact your argument would already be completely thrown out of the academic community.

GOD DAMMIT STUPID PUSSY DRIP SHUT THE F*CK UP. YOU'RE JUST A STUPID KID IN HIGH SCHOOL WHO THINKS HE'S SMART.

COST NOT AN ISSUE? HOW THE F*CK DO YOU THINK YOU GET HEALTH INSURANCE IF YOU HAVE NO MONEY? YOU CAN'T EVEN STEAL HEALTH INSURANCE.

LMFAO..

pwn3d.

Jesus Christ, I have seen bricks of lead that appear less dense.

 

[EmperorIQ]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Folks, this is why you get medical insurance, this is also why you should be thankful for medical insurance if you already have it. I'm very thankful to be on a PPO plan, as opposed to an HMO, so I can see quality doctors. I don't blame the doctors, the lawyers or anyone other than this guy's parents. Their negligence/neglect has landed their son into a very bad situation. I don't care what cirumstances you are in, health insurance for your kids should be a #1 priority and this poor guy's parents obviously didn't see or realize that.

Or, obviously, couldn't afford it.

If you cannot afford health insurance for your children you have no right to bring them into this world in the first place, IMO. That's like saying: "Oh honey, let's have kids and submit them to all kinds of pain and suffering because we can't afford their health insurance or even to feed them..."

:roll:

Time to take off the blinders and look at the real world. Even though you have a valid point, it just doesen't work like that.

i agree with Eli, sometimes things just happen where you simply can't afford health care. What if father got laid off? things happen to people.

damn. . . i was kinda late, sorry!

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Costs are not the issue. This is a situation where two individuals have a choice, their choice affects the well being of an innocent human. Outside of freak accidents and highly improbable events, they are obligated by the laws of ethics to insure that their children are properly cared for.

Let me lay it out simply for you:

Can I have children and provide for them as long as freak accidents and highly improbable events do not occur?

If yes, have children, if no, do not have children.


With highly improbable being 1/N with N being an integer greater than or equal to 100,000.


Using this again I see, you aren't helping yourself here, just digging yourself into a deeper hole. In fact your argument would already be completely thrown out of the academic community.

GOD DAMMIT STUPID PUSSY DRIP SHUT THE F*CK UP. YOU'RE JUST A STUPID KID IN HIGH SCHOOL WHO THINKS HE'S SMART.

COST NOT AN ISSUE? HOW THE F*CK DO YOU THINK YOU GET HEALTH INSURANCE IF YOU HAVE NO MONEY? YOU CAN'T EVEN STEAL HEALTH INSURANCE.

LMAO, this is comedy gold. Let's see here, if someone cannot afford health insurance then they shouldn't have children, beacuse obviously they would receive a NO answer to the question I posed. Now you have the caps lock on and are using bold? This is really getting interesting...

 

[Insane3D]

NO. Didn't you read dissipate's life planning algebra equation?!?!? If all these losers were planning their life via that equation, nothing unexpected would EVER happen. GOD...why don't you people just accept that he is much smarter than all of us and just do what he says? I mean....can you REFUTE that equation? Are we even intelligent enough collectively to try?!?!?

I THINK NOT!

:roll:

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Oohhhhh...he is SO SMART guys. We really shouldn't bother even TRYING to refute his argument....I mean...anyone who can turn life into an algebra equation must be so smart we HAVE NO CHANCE.

:roll:

Hey...dissipate...how's the air waaaaaaaaay up there? Do we all look like ants down here or what?

:roll:

Obviously its not that simple, but simple minds only understand simple concepts. Thus, a simple concept must be used in order to convey a more complex idea to a simple mind.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Dissipate
LMAO, this is comedy gold. Let's see here, if someone cannot afford health insurance then they shouldn't have children, beacuse obviously they would receive a NO answer to the question I posed. Now you have the caps lock on and are using bold? This is really getting interesting...

SAVE YOUR GOD DAMN RETARDED BREATH. YOU'LL NEED IT TO BLOW UP YOUR GIRLFRIEND.

 

[Eli]

Dissipate, your thoughts on this matter truely intrigue me. I did not think there could be anybody so incredibly out of touch with reality, not to mention stupid, that they would think it is OK, in America, Land of the Free, home of the brave, to discriminate based on income.

Shame on you, you ignorant fsck. Just because a family is poor does not mean they cannot provide their children with a healthy, loving home.

Besides, you've completely missed the point. So, every family should have health care. Yeah. But that costs money. What is the difference between spending money on health insurance or spending the money on medical bills? Unless your medical bills are in the tens of thousands of dollars, there isn't any.

The difference is that a couple hundred dollars a month is a huge bill to a poor family. They would not be able to survive if they had to pay it. So you know what they do? They take their chances, and pray nothing seriously wrong happens.

Again, you need to take a step back and take a SERIOUS look at reality, cause you sure aren't living on the same planet as the rest of us.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Eli
Dissipate, your thoughts on this matter truely intrigue me. I did not think there could be anybody so incredibly out of touch with reality, not to mention stupid, that they would think it is OK, in America, Land of the Free, home of the brave, to discriminate based on income.

Shame on you, you ignorant fsck. Just because a family is poor does not mean they cannot provide their children with a healthy, loving home.

Besides, you've completely missed the point. So, every family should have health care. Yeah. But that costs money. What is the difference between spending money on health insurance or spending the money on medical bills? Unless your medical bills are in the tens of thousands of dollars, there isn't any.

The difference is that a couple hundred dollars a month is a huge bill to a poor family. They would not be able to survive if they had to pay it. So you know what they do? They take their chances, and pray nothing seriously wrong happens.

Again, you need to take a step back and take a SERIOUS look at reality, cause you sure aren't living on the same planet as the rest of us.

I'm not discriminating against anyone based on income. Perhaps in the future the average worker would only have to work one hour a year to provide all the basic necessities for their children. To say that having children is a right no matter what means a parent has to provide for that child is morally incorrect.

Huge bill or not to expose your children to risk by not providing health insurance is not morally acceptable, nor is requiring society to provide that health insurance. In one case you have exposed an innocent human to risk and potential harm, in another case you have impeded upon someone else's economic rights (or what I call the right to free exchange). Taking their chances and praying nothing serious happens is unacceptable with a capital U, for they have made it relatively probable that they will cause an innocent human pain and suffering.

I am living on the same planet, I just choose to apply simple logic within a philosophic context, while you seem to believe that one's actions justifies oneself taking that action.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Oohhhhh...he is SO SMART guys. We really shouldn't bother even TRYING to refute his argument....I mean...anyone who can turn life into an algebra equation must be so smart we HAVE NO CHANCE.

:roll:

Hey...dissipate...how's the air waaaaaaaaay up there? Do we all look like ants down here or what?

:roll:

Obviously its not that simple, but simple minds only understand simple concepts. Thus, a simple concept must be used in order to convey a more complex idea to a simple mind.

Oh. My. God.

Get off your god damn high horse. You're obviously not half as intelligent as you think you are, or you wouldn't be spewing this utter nonsense equation bullsh!t that applies to nobody but yourself.

And you just admitted that you were full of sh!t. "Obviously its not that simple," are the words you used, I believe.

And you didn't simplify it, you stupified it. I suppose you better start handing out little booklets, "Dissipates Guide to Life".

Good Lord, go crawl back under your rock.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Eli
Dissipate, your thoughts on this matter truely intrigue me. I did not think there could be anybody so incredibly out of touch with reality, not to mention stupid, that they would think it is OK, in America, Land of the Free, home of the brave, to discriminate based on income.

Shame on you, you ignorant fsck. Just because a family is poor does not mean they cannot provide their children with a healthy, loving home.

Besides, you've completely missed the point. So, every family should have health care. Yeah. But that costs money. What is the difference between spending money on health insurance or spending the money on medical bills? Unless your medical bills are in the tens of thousands of dollars, there isn't any.

The difference is that a couple hundred dollars a month is a huge bill to a poor family. They would not be able to survive if they had to pay it. So you know what they do? They take their chances, and pray nothing seriously wrong happens.

Again, you need to take a step back and take a SERIOUS look at reality, cause you sure aren't living on the same planet as the rest of us.

I'm not discriminating against anyone based on income. Perhaps in the future the average worker would only have to work one hour a year to provide all the basic necessities for their children. To say that having children is a right no matter what means a parent has to provide for that child is morally incorrect.

Huge bill or not to expose your children to risk by not providing health insurance is not morally acceptable, nor is requiring society to provide that health insurance. In one case you have exposed an innocent human to risk and potential harm, in another case you have impeded upon someone else's economic rights (or what I call the right to free exchange). Taking their chances and praying nothing serious happens is unacceptable with a capital U, for they have made it relatively probable that they will cause an innocent human pain and suffering.

I am living on the same planet, I just choose to apply simple logic within a philosophic context, while you seem to believe that one's actions justifies oneself taking that action.

You obviously have not lived in the real world long enough, because your train of thought is not realistic for 99% of the world's population. It may work fine in a perfect world, but this is Earth.

You are absolutely discriminating. You are saying that people who cannot afford health insurance should not have children, which is complete and utter bullsh!t. Health insurance is not a mandatory necessity, it is a luxury. A luxury that many cannot afford, especially if it does not come with job benefits.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Dissipate
I'm not discriminating against anyone based on income. Perhaps in the future the average worker would only have to work one hour a year to provide all the basic necessities for their children. To say that having children is a right no matter what means a parent has to provide for that child is morally incorrect.

Huge bill or not to expose your children to risk by not providing health insurance is not morally acceptable, nor is requiring society to provide that health insurance. In one case you have exposed an innocent human to risk and potential harm, in another case you have impeded upon someone else's economic rights (or what I call the right to free exchange). Taking their chances and praying nothing serious happens is unacceptable with a capital U, for they have made it relatively probable that they will cause an innocent human pain and suffering.

I am living on the same planet, I just choose to apply simple logic within a philosophic context, while you seem to believe that one's actions justifies oneself taking that action.

You really need to stop smoking cock and wipe the cum from your eyes. That way you'll actually be able to see that you're talking with a dick in your mouth.

Tell me, do you even pay for the hand lotion you jack off with?