guy at school's esophagus was torn away from his stomach

[Zebo]

Your idea that charity can do the job argument is a myth. Since we spend about 59% of the federal budget on human services or 1.4 Trillion , and Americans only gave 241 Billion in charity we have a shortfall of 1.16 Trillion. In other words Americans would have to make at least five times the donations they currently give to charity to fully replace government social spending. And if you think people who so bitterly hate paying taxes would all of a sudden be happy about equally giving to charity it's you who are being "dishonest".


And you are being "ignorant" thinking that charites can do a better or fairer job than goverment. Charities for the most part are highly localized and spend thier funds right where they get them. Which mean rich communites have well funded charties and poor communites have crappy ones if any.


No amused just want the working poor or umeployed equal care as the lawbreaker who costs us producers 60K a year just in confinment. Sure it's an emotional appeal, is'nt everything in goverment? Is'nt aynds "slavery" and "theft" arguments?

 

[narzy]

call 911 and have him transported they can't refuse service that way because this is an immediate life threatening condition.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Your idea that charity can do the job argument is a myth. Since we spend about 59% of the federal budget on human services or 1.4 Trillion , and Americans only gave 241 Billion in charity we have a shortfall of 1.16 Trillion. In other words Americans would have to make at least five times the donations they currently give to charity to fully replace government social spending. And if you think people who so bitterly hate paying taxes would all of a sudden be happy about equally giving to charity it's you who are being "dishonest".


And you are being "ignorant" thinking that charites can do a better or fairer job than goverment. Charities for the most part are highly localized and spend thier funds right where they get them. Which mean rich communites have well funded charties and poor communites have crappy ones if any.


No amused just want the working poor or umeployed equal care as the lawbreaker who costs us producers 60K a year just in confinment. Sure it's an emotional appeal, is'nt everything in goverment? Is'nt aynds "slavery" and "theft" arguments?

Zebo, your claims and denials defy history. Please provide evidence of the millions of poor starving on the streets or dying of curable diseases prior to Medicaid, Medicare and Welfare (all part of LBJ's failed "Great Society" plan passed in the mid 60s).

Hint: You cannot. None of the "Great Society" programs have achieved their goals. In fact, it has made some problems worse. Yet, before they were passed, the poor ate and were cared for medically. How can this be so? Well, if you let the government do something, you can bet it will cost many, many times more than were it done by a private entity.

As for charity, why give to charities if the government will take care of everything? Why give to charity if the average middle class wage earner pays 50% or more of their income in total taxes?

Zebo, NO ONE is entitled to something they did not pay for, or were not given freely. Socialism breaks this cornerstone of liberty. Welfare and medical socialism in the US has existed only since the late 1960s. in those 30 some years, what has improved? Not much. The poor are still poor, yet are still not starving nor dying of curable diseases.

Next time you think to lecture me on US socialist policy and it's impact, maybe you should learn a bit of history. For me to go only 30 years back and show you a time without these programs and show you that the poor were cared for adequately makes it so damn easy to shoot down your bundle of false assumptions.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: LordMorpheus
You, sir, are full of crap.

If I read it right, your argument goes something like this: Doctors don't need to get paid, because back during the frontier days, they worked for free and were happy.

Do you have any idea what medschool costs. You realize doctors are so educated that they would (had they a degree in business, or *gasp* law, instead) all be making six figures (at least) if they wanted to. That they take a paycut to do medicine instead says a lot for them.

You also realize if a patient doesn't pay, in many cases the doctor doesn't get paid, right? If i went through medschool I would damn well expect to get paid! Its a job: you save their lives, and somebody gives you money! Now, throw malpractice lawyers in there. Now you operate on someone who doesn't pay you, and then, because it hurt, they sue you for basically all you are worth. Now you are pissed off. What about insurance: In order to keep these rabid lawyers from your troat, you hire someone to pay them for you. Too bad the cost of insurance makes it near impossible to break even without charging huge sums of cash for operations. Lets talk about the healthcare system, and about changing it. Maybe some tort reform. Maybe we will just drag every last malpractice lawyer out and shoot them. Then you realize that lawyers, for all praticle purpose, run this country and are here to stay, sucking contributing individuals like doctors and patients dry and giving absolutely nothing back.

Let me refine that. I know many good lawyers. I know no good malpractice lawyers.

Here is an absolutely heartwarming story for you. My uncle (handsurgeon. 14 years of school. Was making less than 60K/year until recently, when he decided enough was enough and got the hell out of chicago (really bad healthcare there. state insurance like medicade rarely pays up. Malpractice lawyers infest the city. It like a zombie movie: they surround hospitals!) told me this story. So in this little rural town in missouri, there lived two OBG/YN's. The only two for hundreds of miles. Also in this town there lived a b!tch of a malpractice lawyer, who liked to sue the doctors when women giving birth felt pain, or saw blood, and sh!t of this nature. Now, this b!tch of a lawyer gets knocked up. Ha! tables are turned! The doctors refuse the treat her, and she is forced to drive hundreds of miles for all her check ups and to finally deliver the poor, poor baby that will be brought up in her house.

Now doesn't that story just fill you with love? A warm feeling? I know it does that for me.

Anyone who is in school for at least 8 years or whatever it takes to become a doctor, and then does useful work (like saving lives) deserves a hefty paycheck. This isn't communism. Anyone who spends a long time in school so that they can exploit the legal system and find legal ways to rob contributing individuals of millions of dollers deserves an 18" shell in their face.

What a heart warming story.

I don't know if it's just me, but it seems like being a doctor for the money now is a bad idea. The pay doesn't seem as good any more.

I know a radiologist who is making $550K in his first job as a physician. Not too many of my bloodsucking attorney collegues are in that boat (in many states the average attorney makes around $50K).

 

[JavaMomma]

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: silverpig
<-- Glad to live in Canada

What were you have to wait 3 months to see a doctor?

I've never had to wait... Hell, I can see a doctor without even making an appointment. The long waits are for the "there are only 3 guys in the country who know about this stuff" kind of specialists.

Yeah me to.
It only takes about 15 minutes (on avg) to get into the doctor with no appointment.
I had surgery a few years ago. It took about 2 weeks to get in (specialist).

And I have never paid a penny directly for medical other then normal taxes like GST, PST, ...
Then again I am University student and I don't make much money (yet).

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: PingSpike
Remember, the United States has the best health care system in the world and all others pale in comparison. Unless you're poor, then you're welcome to die on the street like everyone else in a third world country.

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