Guy at UCLA computer lab gets tasered (now with youtube video!!)

[Andyb23]

Originally posted by: Mill

If they are not students, they have no goddamn business to be on campus.

Smoke more crack. Seriously. What a stupid comment. It is a Public University, and I'm sure there are thousands of employees, friends, relatives, and tourists looking around. And, I'm sure there are restaurants and businesses that the General Public uses. Perhaps UCLA all of a sudden grew massive gates with bomb-sniffing dogs, but I doubt it.

I HATE LOGIC.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: Andyb23

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: Andyb23

Originally posted by: Turin39789
Hot dogs - 50 cents
Marshmallows - 3 for $.10
Beer - $.75 cents

is that Kentukah beer you got thar?

Of Course!


Although you'll have to show some id or leave the bar area, you can still sit at the picnic area and watch the flames in the thread. If you refuse to leave the bar however, and get belligerent I'll be forced to contact the local authorities.

Damn that bourbon ale looks good... is that local to Kentukah?

It's extremely good, it's something they just started this year I think, but it's been a big success. It's made it out to a few neighboring states, and some people on beeradvocate have posted about being able to get it farther away, but I've also heard and experienced that quality gets worse as you get away from the source. It's still good, but not knock you off your socks good. Luckily I live about 4 miles from the brewery and fill up there.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: shuttleboi

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: shuttleboi

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: I Saw OJ

Originally posted by: shuttleboi
These policemen stepped over the line. Those of you who agree with the police most likely don't even have a college education, so just shut your mouths. The police work for us, not the other way around. These guys should be sued for $10 million apiece, fired, and possibly caned.

People who make comments like this are still in highschool and have no idea how the real world works.

yeap. I used to think that way. then i got out on my own. started a business got married and had kids. over time you learn that life is not how you think it should be in high school.

So getting married, starting a business, and having kids turned you into facist old geezer? I'm not in high school, and I'll bet I am better educated than you by a mile.

nope. time is what turned me into a old (well 32) geezer. facist? nope just understand how the world works.

If a cop ask for ID (if on public property etc) i give it to them. IF they ask you to leave Public property you do it.

fighting the cops (outside of a courtroom that is) is a loseing fight. its just not worth the trouble it will cause.

as for better educated? perhaps. but that does not make you better person.

If you are 32 and have that kind of defeatist attitude, then you have lost all hope. Good luck with whatever you have. The rest of us are working hard to keep this country up.

yeah try to fight the cop on the street and see where it gets you. lol

there are other ways to handle the situation. fighting is NOT always the only or best. sure there are times when you have to. the trick is understanding when.

 

[Andyb23]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: shuttleboi

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: shuttleboi

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: I Saw OJ

Originally posted by: shuttleboi
These policemen stepped over the line. Those of you who agree with the police most likely don't even have a college education, so just shut your mouths. The police work for us, not the other way around. These guys should be sued for $10 million apiece, fired, and possibly caned.

People who make comments like this are still in highschool and have no idea how the real world works.

yeap. I used to think that way. then i got out on my own. started a business got married and had kids. over time you learn that life is not how you think it should be in high school.

So getting married, starting a business, and having kids turned you into facist old geezer? I'm not in high school, and I'll bet I am better educated than you by a mile.

nope. time is what turned me into a old (well 32) geezer. facist? nope just understand how the world works.

If a cop ask for ID (if on public property etc) i give it to them. IF they ask you to leave Public property you do it.

fighting the cops (outside of a courtroom that is) is a loseing fight. its just not worth the trouble it will cause.

as for better educated? perhaps. but that does not make you better person.

If you are 32 and have that kind of defeatist attitude, then you have lost all hope. Good luck with whatever you have. The rest of us are working hard to keep this country up.

yeah try to fight the cop on the street and see where it gets you. lol

there are other ways to handle the situation. fighting is NOT always the only or best. sure there are times when you have to. the trick is understanding when.

G'd dammit dude.

There was no FIGHTING. He was being at best a lame smartass college student.

Does that deserve a bunch of tasers? NO.

 

[Phokus]

An officer threatened to taser someone for asking for his badge number. I'm pretty sure that is against operating procedures and probably against the law as well.

 

[Andyb23]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: Andyb23

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: Andyb23

Originally posted by: Turin39789
Hot dogs - 50 cents
Marshmallows - 3 for $.10
Beer - $.75 cents

is that Kentukah beer you got thar?

Of Course!


Although you'll have to show some id or leave the bar area, you can still sit at the picnic area and watch the flames in the thread. If you refuse to leave the bar however, and get belligerent I'll be forced to contact the local authorities.

Damn that bourbon ale looks good... is that local to Kentukah?

It's extremely good, it's something they just started this year I think, but it's been a big success. It's made it out to a few neighboring states, and some people on beeradvocate have posted about being able to get it farther away, but I've also heard and experienced that quality gets worse as you get away from the source. It's still good, but not knock you off your socks good. Luckily I live about 4 miles from the brewery and fill up there.

Looks good, I haven't filled up on much American beer this year, mainly stuck to Bass Pale Ale.

Do you know if they ship this to the MD/NJ/PA/NY area?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: shuttleboi

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: shuttleboi

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: I Saw OJ

Originally posted by: shuttleboi
These policemen stepped over the line. Those of you who agree with the police most likely don't even have a college education, so just shut your mouths. The police work for us, not the other way around. These guys should be sued for $10 million apiece, fired, and possibly caned.

People who make comments like this are still in highschool and have no idea how the real world works.

yeap. I used to think that way. then i got out on my own. started a business got married and had kids. over time you learn that life is not how you think it should be in high school.

So getting married, starting a business, and having kids turned you into facist old geezer? I'm not in high school, and I'll bet I am better educated than you by a mile.

nope. time is what turned me into a old (well 32) geezer. facist? nope just understand how the world works.

If a cop ask for ID (if on public property etc) i give it to them. IF they ask you to leave Public property you do it.

fighting the cops (outside of a courtroom that is) is a loseing fight. its just not worth the trouble it will cause.

as for better educated? perhaps. but that does not make you better person.

If you are 32 and have that kind of defeatist attitude, then you have lost all hope. Good luck with whatever you have. The rest of us are working hard to keep this country up.

It isn't defeatist attitude to not resist the police. It is common sense. Do your fighting in court where you can get something accomplished. You are rarely going to convince the police they are wrong unless you know them.

I wouldn't give my ID in all situations because there's no state law here requiring me to do so. However, if they asked me to leave somewhere I would. If I felt it was unnecessary I'd go file a complaint and raise hell. However, I wouldn't fight with them or argue beyond what I know is safe behavior. Once your ass gets thrown in jail you lose a lot of credibility, have your record besmirched, and end up with a lot more problems.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Andyb23

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: shuttleboi

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: shuttleboi

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: I Saw OJ

Originally posted by: shuttleboi
These policemen stepped over the line. Those of you who agree with the police most likely don't even have a college education, so just shut your mouths. The police work for us, not the other way around. These guys should be sued for $10 million apiece, fired, and possibly caned.

People who make comments like this are still in highschool and have no idea how the real world works.

yeap. I used to think that way. then i got out on my own. started a business got married and had kids. over time you learn that life is not how you think it should be in high school.

So getting married, starting a business, and having kids turned you into facist old geezer? I'm not in high school, and I'll bet I am better educated than you by a mile.

nope. time is what turned me into a old (well 32) geezer. facist? nope just understand how the world works.

If a cop ask for ID (if on public property etc) i give it to them. IF they ask you to leave Public property you do it.

fighting the cops (outside of a courtroom that is) is a loseing fight. its just not worth the trouble it will cause.

as for better educated? perhaps. but that does not make you better person.

If you are 32 and have that kind of defeatist attitude, then you have lost all hope. Good luck with whatever you have. The rest of us are working hard to keep this country up.

yeah try to fight the cop on the street and see where it gets you. lol

there are other ways to handle the situation. fighting is NOT always the only or best. sure there are times when you have to. the trick is understanding when.

G'd dammit dude.

There was no FIGHTING. He was being at best a lame smartass college student.

Does that deserve a bunch of tasers? NO.

as i have sound a few time.

he was tring to get others to join him in resisting the police. wich could have gotten bad for the cops. he was also refusing to leave (wich after 11pm is only for students).

as i said i can understand whyt hey tasered him. do i agree with it? no. i would have liked for them to do something else.

but i can understand why they did it.


then you went into a huge BS argument about Lapd's trouble. then about how im a old facist with a defeatest attitude.

sorry in this case i can understand the cops situation.

but you keep looking for a argument.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: shuttleboi

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: shuttleboi

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: I Saw OJ

Originally posted by: shuttleboi
These policemen stepped over the line. Those of you who agree with the police most likely don't even have a college education, so just shut your mouths. The police work for us, not the other way around. These guys should be sued for $10 million apiece, fired, and possibly caned.

People who make comments like this are still in highschool and have no idea how the real world works.

yeap. I used to think that way. then i got out on my own. started a business got married and had kids. over time you learn that life is not how you think it should be in high school.

So getting married, starting a business, and having kids turned you into facist old geezer? I'm not in high school, and I'll bet I am better educated than you by a mile.

nope. time is what turned me into a old (well 32) geezer. facist? nope just understand how the world works.

If a cop ask for ID (if on public property etc) i give it to them. IF they ask you to leave Public property you do it.

fighting the cops (outside of a courtroom that is) is a loseing fight. its just not worth the trouble it will cause.

as for better educated? perhaps. but that does not make you better person.

If you are 32 and have that kind of defeatist attitude, then you have lost all hope. Good luck with whatever you have. The rest of us are working hard to keep this country up.

It isn't defeatist attitude to not resist the police. It is common sense. Do your fighting in court where you can get something accomplished. You are rarely going to convince the police they are wrong unless you know them.

I wouldn't give my ID in all situations because there's no state law here requiring me to do so. However, if they asked me to leave somewhere I would. If I felt it was unnecessary I'd go file a complaint and raise hell. However, I wouldn't fight with them or argue beyond what I know is safe behavior. Once your ass gets thrown in jail you lose a lot of credibility, have your record besmirched, and end up with a lot more problems.

at least someone understand what i am saying heh.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Andyb23

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: shuttleboi

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: shuttleboi

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: I Saw OJ

Originally posted by: shuttleboi
These policemen stepped over the line. Those of you who agree with the police most likely don't even have a college education, so just shut your mouths. The police work for us, not the other way around. These guys should be sued for $10 million apiece, fired, and possibly caned.

People who make comments like this are still in highschool and have no idea how the real world works.

yeap. I used to think that way. then i got out on my own. started a business got married and had kids. over time you learn that life is not how you think it should be in high school.

So getting married, starting a business, and having kids turned you into facist old geezer? I'm not in high school, and I'll bet I am better educated than you by a mile.

nope. time is what turned me into a old (well 32) geezer. facist? nope just understand how the world works.

If a cop ask for ID (if on public property etc) i give it to them. IF they ask you to leave Public property you do it.

fighting the cops (outside of a courtroom that is) is a loseing fight. its just not worth the trouble it will cause.

as for better educated? perhaps. but that does not make you better person.

If you are 32 and have that kind of defeatist attitude, then you have lost all hope. Good luck with whatever you have. The rest of us are working hard to keep this country up.

yeah try to fight the cop on the street and see where it gets you. lol

there are other ways to handle the situation. fighting is NOT always the only or best. sure there are times when you have to. the trick is understanding when.

G'd dammit dude.

There was no FIGHTING. He was being at best a lame smartass college student.

Does that deserve a bunch of tasers? NO.

as i have sound a few time.

he was tring to get others to join him in resisting the police. wich could have gotten bad for the cops. he was also refusing to leave (wich after 11pm is only for students).

as i said i can understand whyt hey tasered him. do i agree with it? no. i would have liked for them to do something else.

but i can understand why they did it.


then you went into a huge BS argument about Lapd's trouble. then about how im a old facist with a defeatest attitude.

sorry in this case i can understand the cops situation.

but you keep looking for a argument.

Want to comment on the fact that they threatened students with tasering for the mere fact that they were asking for their badge numbers?

These were obviously poorly trained rent-a-cops

 

[Turin39789]

Not sure, but I doubt it. Best bet would be to email them on the website, they are pretty good about getting back to you quickly

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: waggy
as i have sound a few time.

he was tring to get others to join him in resisting the police. wich could have gotten bad for the cops. he was also refusing to leave (wich after 11pm is only for students).

as i said i can understand whyt hey tasered him. do i agree with it? no. i would have liked for them to do something else.

but i can understand why they did it.


then you went into a huge BS argument about Lapd's trouble. then about how im a old facist with a defeatest attitude.

sorry in this case i can understand the cops situation.

Well at least you understood they made poor judgement. Especially now knowing that being tazed can render someone unable to walk. Big lawsuit impending here, especially for the prick cop who was caught on tape threatening to taze a student for asking for his badge info.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Want to comment on the fact that they threatened students with tasering for the mere fact that they were asking for their badge numbers?

These were obviously poorly trained rent-a-cops

as i said above they should give out cards with the name and number. but that will never happen.

as the paper said these are real cops. poorly trained? not sure on that. i just htink they do not care anymore.

threatening the student with tasering them for asking the badge number should get them fired. but we know that will not happen

 

[DanTMWTMP]

To shuttleboi/mill/andyb23



Well, ok, this thread, except for all the flaming and stuff, was actually a bit informative.

I was first 100% on the side of the police.
After you three flamed me for what I initially believed in, I do see your point that they should not have used excessive force. (although, I don't believe that calling me stupid and dumbass and stuff was warranted, so I did the same )

But, I want to believe in strong deterrence. Even though the cops here may have overreacted, we all shouldn't just land ourselves on the extreme sides of this issue as I have initially.


The kid, obviously did something wrong. He disturbed the peace, and police have been rightfully called.

The kid also resisted, and was extremely resistant to the demands of the cops.

I am not going to pity the kid whatsoever at all. he did wrong, and he probably got the really bad end of his actions, which he could have avoided.

The cops probably should NOT have tazered the kid. Since non of us was there, we really do not have a good say to what should have or should not have happened.

I UNDERSTAND now why he shouldn've have been tazered, as nowadays, it is seen as a controversial weapon that is percieved to be very harmful (which it isn't, unless in extreme cases). However, it was extremely effective to keep the kid at bay from potentially doing any harm to the officers.


Should the officers wrestled him to the ground, giving him week-long bruises, or tazer him, which gives him no short-to-long term effects? That's totally up to perception though.

The kid was already on the way out, BUT, he was stupid to be an ass about it. He should have left quietly, while the officers held him. He shouldn't have yanked himself away, which could only mean that he is possibly trying to run away from the officers.

The officers (given that it was late at night, probably had enough of this BS), tazered him.
If they were more calm, and assessed the situation for about a couple more seconds, then they probably wouldn't have tazered him.

It was a kneejerk reaction from the officers, and it's that reaction that is causing this outrage.

I still symphatize more w/ the officers than that dumbass of a kid, but, I do have to agree now that an alternative, calmer action may have been more suitable given the situation. But you can see why the officer tazered him. The kid did something that probably indicated to the officers that he was about to be really physical, or run away.


The kid should gain NO symphathy, but at the same time, the officers in question should review their actions, and learn from this experience.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Phokus
Want to comment on the fact that they threatened students with tasering for the mere fact that they were asking for their badge numbers?

These were obviously poorly trained rent-a-cops

as i said above they should give out cards with the name and number. but that will never happen.

as the paper said these are real cops. poorly trained? not sure on that. i just htink they do not care anymore.

threatening the student with tasering them for asking the badge number should get them fired. but we know that will not happen

Real cop or rent-a-cop, it doesn't matter... if they were LAPD that would also explain it. But the fact of the matter is, they were poorly trained and handled the situation poorly all the way around... and the cops lacked any logic or common sense. If i've been tased endlessly and you keep screaming at me to 'STAND UP STAND UP!', wtf do you want me to do? Wouldn't common sense dictate that maybe my muscles are incapacitated and you could just go ahead and carry my limp body out the door? There's such a thing as disproportionate force.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: waggy
as i have sound a few time.

he was tring to get others to join him in resisting the police. wich could have gotten bad for the cops. he was also refusing to leave (wich after 11pm is only for students).

as i said i can understand whyt hey tasered him. do i agree with it? no. i would have liked for them to do something else.

but i can understand why they did it.


then you went into a huge BS argument about Lapd's trouble. then about how im a old facist with a defeatest attitude.

sorry in this case i can understand the cops situation.

Well at least you understood they made poor judgement. Especially now knowing that being tazed can render someone unable to walk. Big lawsuit impending here, especially for the prick cop who was caught on tape threatening to taze a student for asking for his badge info.

yeap that cop should be fired. to threaten anyone who is not doing anything against the law with the tazer is insane.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: waggy
as i have sound a few time.

he was tring to get others to join him in resisting the police. wich could have gotten bad for the cops. he was also refusing to leave (wich after 11pm is only for students).

as i said i can understand whyt hey tasered him. do i agree with it? no. i would have liked for them to do something else.

but i can understand why they did it.


then you went into a huge BS argument about Lapd's trouble. then about how im a old facist with a defeatest attitude.

sorry in this case i can understand the cops situation.

Well at least you understood they made poor judgement. Especially now knowing that being tazed can render someone unable to walk. Big lawsuit impending here, especially for the prick cop who was caught on tape threatening to taze a student for asking for his badge info.

yeap that cop should be fired. to threaten anyone who is not doing anything against the law with the tazer is insane.

I disagree about the cop being fired. Yes, the cop may have overreacted, but he shoudln't be fired.

He will learn from this, and gain more experience on how to react properly next time.

I rather have a cop that learned from this experience, than a cop who's new to the situation, and we're all back on square 1 again.

 

[nakedfrog]

What a field day for the heat.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: waggy
as i have sound a few time.

he was tring to get others to join him in resisting the police. wich could have gotten bad for the cops. he was also refusing to leave (wich after 11pm is only for students).

as i said i can understand whyt hey tasered him. do i agree with it? no. i would have liked for them to do something else.

but i can understand why they did it.


then you went into a huge BS argument about Lapd's trouble. then about how im a old facist with a defeatest attitude.

sorry in this case i can understand the cops situation.

Well at least you understood they made poor judgement. Especially now knowing that being tazed can render someone unable to walk. Big lawsuit impending here, especially for the prick cop who was caught on tape threatening to taze a student for asking for his badge info.

yeap that cop should be fired. to threaten anyone who is not doing anything against the law with the tazer is insane.

I disagree about the cop being fired. Yes, the cop may have overreacted, but he shoudln't be fired.

He will learn from this, and gain more experience on how to react properly next time.

I rather have a cop that learned from this experience, than a cop who's new to the situation, and we're all back on square 1 again.

partly true.

the new cop will know if he threatens a person over them asking for name and badge number is going to get them fired they won't do it.

at least it was caught on video. that guy will have to pay for his actions.

I do not want a cop that is going to threaten a witness with physical abuse over asking for the cops name. they should not be on the street.

 

[latino666]

"It's a shock that something like this can happen at UCLA," she said. "It was unnecessary what they did."

I'm sure the guy that got tasered agrees with that.

 

[uhohs]

you don't butt in during an arrest trying to get the cop's info. do it after.

 

[MillionaireNextDoor]

Guys; we shouldn't ourselves jump to conclusions when we don't know enough of the facts. "Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law" must be followed to safeguard our individual freedom against arbitrary state action, or public action. Let the primary witnesses who saw the whole thing come forth and testify. Who knows? It may be more than meets the eye. What we're all ultimately interested in, is the truth.

 

[theMan]

I'm sure a lot of people here would be happy to defend the National Guard in the Kent State shootings.

 

[preslove]

That cop needs to, and probably will be fired.

I'll go through bold the stupidity and incompetence:

At around 11:30 p.m., CSOs asked a male student using a computer in the back of the room to leave when he was unable to produce a BruinCard during a random check. The student did not exit the building immediately.

The CSOs left, returning minutes later, and police officers arrived to escort the student out. By this time the student had begun to walk toward the door with his backpack when an officer approached him and grabbed his arm, at which point the student told the officer to let him go. A second officer then approached the student as well.

The student began to yell "get off me," repeating himself several times.

It was at this point that the officers shot the student with a Taser for the first time, causing him to fall to the floor and cry out in pain. The student also told the officers he had a medical condition.

UCPD officers confirmed that the man involved in the incident was a student, but did not give a name or any additional information about his identity.

Video shot from a student's camera phone captured the student yelling, "Here's your Patriot Act, here's your ****** abuse of power," while he struggled with the officers.

As the student was screaming, UCPD officers repeatedly told him to stand up and said "stop fighting us." The student did not stand up as the officers requested and they shot him with the Taser at least once more.

"It was the most disgusting and vile act I had ever seen in my life," said David Remesnitsky, a 2006 UCLA alumnus who witnessed the incident.

As the student and the officers were struggling, bystanders repeatedly asked the police officers to stop, and at one point officers told the gathered crowd to stand back and threatened to use a Taser on anyone who got too close.

1). Whoever put in place a policy requiring a id to use the computer labs is a fvcking idiot. Most large universities just have students log into computer terminals using their campus wide ID # and password. This means students, staff, and faculty will be able to use the computers, but random people/vagrants won't. Requiring identification and having random sweeps just puts the staff in a confrontational situation with patrons and brings police into it when using the standard computer lab set up prevents this.

2). The student was complying with the order to leave, but the cop grabbed him. Why does he need to physically seize a student that is leaving?

3). The guy is threatening students? Fvck him, he is a danger to the campus, not a help. His job is to protect the students, faculty, staff, and property of the university. He wasn't doing this, but was assaulting someone he is paid to protect, and threatening students for acting in a correct fashion (asking for his informatin and requesting that he calm the fvck down).

I just don't understand who is stupid enough to enforce a policy that puts students in such a confrontational position with the authorities. A university library is a public space paid for by state tax dollars, the general public should be allowed inside. Computer labs can be restricted to university users with a simple login mechanism that is pretty much standard for large universities. What if he was a student from another university doing research, doesn't he have a right to use that institution for its intended purpose (academic research)?

The cop needs to go and the policy needs to be changed.

And yes, the student sounds like a douche, but that doesn't change the incompetence of the authorities in this situation.

 

[OutHouse]

so for all of you who say the cops did wrong in tazering this moron. if you were in the cops shoes how would you have handled it?

just curious.