Guy at UCLA computer lab gets tasered (now with youtube video!!)

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: MisterJackson

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: MisterJackson

Originally posted by: KarmaPolice
at the end the cop syas go over there are you will be tazed too....can he do that...the guy was just asking a question.

See, retarded questions like that are why people like this get tasered and then cry about it later, all the while projecting their innocence "I was only asking him a question and the guy unfairly tasered me!".

In real life dude, if a cop tells you to do something, just do it, whether you like it or not. If you feel the need to argue your point with them then you simply deserve what you get because common sense dictates that even IF, and a big IF here, even if you are right once you argue with a cop he has more power and authority than you and will excercise it.

that's not power tripping per se, that's your dumbass not knowing when to shut your mouth.

The only thing the cops told him to do was to stand up.

no, they asked him to leave and he would not comply.

Not true. It was the CSO's who told him to leave.

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: pnad
At first I was thinking if the dumbass didn't want to get up the cops could have grabbed his ankles and dragged him out probably harming him in the process.

But then I looked at it from this perspective. It seems to me the student was actually attempting a non violent protest (laying down). Do you think if there were a bunch of anti-abortion protesters laying on the ground in front of a clinic the cops would taze them? I think not. I do think 3 cops should have been able to remove the guy without tazing him. If he started to struggle/resist (other than yelling 'DON'T TOUCH ME') then zap him.

You are entitled to protest in an area that you own or in public provided it doesn't infringe on others rights. In this case...this man had no right to be in that area so therefore staging a protest was not lawful.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
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Even if you are right about something and the police are wrong, LISTEN TO THEM WHEN THEY TELL YOU TO LEAVE. Don't start crying like a little bitch about the Patriot Act, get the hell up and LEAVE AND LISTEN TO THEM!

Now if everyone followed those rules these types of events wouldn't be discussed.

qftmft, man. and wtf does the patriot act have to do with his ass being stupid, anyway? when he said "here's your patriot act" i couldn't help but be thoroughly

 

[OutHouse]

it funny how nobody in the crowd said stuff like. dude just leave, hey man your gonna loose you might want to leave.

instead the crowd was saying.

Office i want your identificaiton, Leave him alone, STOP IT!!!!

gee, it seems like the only people who can do nothing but wrong are the cops. :roll:

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
BREAKING NEWS
BREAKING NEWS
BREAKING NEWS

Even if you are right about something and the police are wrong, LISTEN TO THEM WHEN THEY TELL YOU TO LEAVE. Don't start crying like a little bitch about the Patriot Act, get the hell up and LEAVE AND LISTEN TO THEM!

Now if everyone followed those rules these types of events wouldn't be discussed.

qftmft, man. and wtf does the patriot act have to do with his ass being stupid, anyway? when he said "here's your patriot act" i couldn't help but be thoroughly

yea, i didnt get that either. ill just chock it up to another dumbass student whos head is full of more bullsh*t than common sense. what i got from the video is that he was spoiling for a fight.

 

[CollectiveUnconscious]

Wow, a lot of you are strict "law=moral" people. I don't pretend to know an accurate account of the situation, but I do know that I would have done the same thing if I had been grabbed without provocation. Law does not make morality, law is based off morality.

 

[tylerdustin2008]

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious
Wow, a lot of you are strict "law=moral" people. I don't pretend to know an accurate account of the situation, but I do know that I would have done the same thing if I had been grabbed without provocation. Law does not make morality, law is based off morality.

AGREED!

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious
Wow, a lot of you are strict "law=moral" people. I don't pretend to know an accurate account of the situation, but I do know that I would have done the same thing if I had been grabbed without provocation. Law does not make morality, law is based off morality.

Haven't you ever heard of being "Escorted out"? I have seen this same thing happen here(albeit without the tazer) when I student refused to leave lab when asked. The cops came and escorted him out. You know why he didn't get tazed? Because he left when the cops came. He could have avoided being escorted out by leaving right away. Same thing with the dude in this video.

 

[CollectiveUnconscious]

Originally posted by: PurdueRy
Haven't you ever heard of being "Escorted out"? I have seen this same thing happen here(albeit without the tazer) when I student refused to leave lab when asked. The cops came and escorted him out. You know why he didn't get tazed? Because he left when the cops came. He could have avoided being escorted out by leaving right away. Same thing with the dude in this video.

Again, I don't pretend to know an accurate account of what happened; you shouldn't either. The student could have very well been on his way out of the library when approached by the police. We don't know, as there are two varying accounts. My point remains, law does not equal morality. There are countless other ways that situation could have been handled.

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: PurdueRy
Haven't you ever heard of being "Escorted out"? I have seen this same thing happen here(albeit without the tazer) when I student refused to leave lab when asked. The cops came and escorted him out. You know why he didn't get tazed? Because he left when the cops came. He could have avoided being escorted out by leaving right away. Same thing with the dude in this video.

Again, I don't pretend to know an accurate account of what happened; you shouldn't either. The student could have very well been on his way out of the library when approached by the police. We don't know, as there are two varying accounts. My point remains, law does not equal morality. There are countless other ways that situation could have been handled.

I never claimed to know what happened exactly. But c'mon be realistic. This guy could have left immediately and nothing would have happened. He could have not screamed at the officers and left. I could leave that room in 10 seconds. He was obviously not leaving willingly.

I am not pretending to know all the facts I am taking what has been presented to me and going off that.

 

[CollectiveUnconscious]

Originally posted by: PurdueRy
I never claimed to know what happened exactly. But c'mon be realistic. This guy could have left immediately and nothing would have happened. He could have not screamed at the officers and left. I could leave that room in 10 seconds. He was obviously not leaving willingly.

I am not pretending to know all the facts I am taking what has been presented to me and going off that.

Could there not have been extenuating circumstances that have not been reported in either accounts? We don't know the exact time frame from first approach to incident. I think all should refrain from extrapolating on given information.

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: PurdueRy
I never claimed to know what happened exactly. But c'mon be realistic. This guy could have left immediately and nothing would have happened. He could have not screamed at the officers and left. I could leave that room in 10 seconds. He was obviously not leaving willingly.

I am not pretending to know all the facts I am taking what has been presented to me and going off that.

Could there not have been extenuating circumstances that have not been reported in either accounts? We don't know the exact time frame from first approach to incident. I think all should refrain from extrapolating on given information.

Like what?

I can't think of anything that would realistically give someone the right to not leave when asked to by the officers.

 

[Skunkwourk]

Originally posted by: chrisg22

Originally posted by: Eghck
disclaimer: I don't know crap about tasers, and Im not a cop.

I don't know why the kid didn't just get up after that 1st tase. He was able to go on that rant about justice or whatever. Seems like he could have stood up. Still 5 times was excessive. If a bouncer can kick a drunk guy out of a club, why couldn't they carry this guy out?

police officers aren't bouncers.....

well I meant, are police not allowed to carry someone out?

 

[CollectiveUnconscious]

Originally posted by: PurdueRy
Like what?

I can't think of anything that would realistically give someone the right to not leave when asked to by the officers.

Since we don't know the exact time frame: bathroom emergency; computer trouble saving a file; asked for help on the way out; on his way out and forgot something, causing him to turn back and retrieve it, et cetra. We just don't know. Why didn't the people who asked him to leave wait for him and escort him out?

 

[Trevelyan]

This just confirms my suspicions that

(A) kids are stupid and deserve a good tazing; and

(B) cops are not prepared to handle stupid kids.


Tazers suck, and I'm sure the guy was just pissed off about having to leave and having the cops called on him. But seriously, people here need to learn just like this guy that cops have the physical and legal power to FORCE you to do what they say.

Yelling at the cop in this situation is like protesting terrorism at ground zero. Get your head straight, man. The problem is you!

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: PurdueRy
I never claimed to know what happened exactly. But c'mon be realistic. This guy could have left immediately and nothing would have happened. He could have not screamed at the officers and left. I could leave that room in 10 seconds. He was obviously not leaving willingly.

I am not pretending to know all the facts I am taking what has been presented to me and going off that.

Could there not have been extenuating circumstances that have not been reported in either accounts? We don't know the exact time frame from first approach to incident. I think all should refrain from extrapolating on given information.

Like what?

I can't think of anything that would realistically give someone the right to not leave when asked to by the officers.

I think the difference is he was leaving when they grabbed his arm (at least according to the paper). That was probably unnecessary and inflamed the situation. Part of being an authority figure is knowing how to peacefully resolve situations and not flanning the flames of a fire.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Eghck

Originally posted by: chrisg22

Originally posted by: Eghck
disclaimer: I don't know crap about tasers, and Im not a cop.

I don't know why the kid didn't just get up after that 1st tase. He was able to go on that rant about justice or whatever. Seems like he could have stood up. Still 5 times was excessive. If a bouncer can kick a drunk guy out of a club, why couldn't they carry this guy out?

police officers aren't bouncers.....

well I meant, are police not allowed to carry someone out?

How far is it from the computer lab in the UCLA library to the police offers car? They should, I'm guessing, give the guy a piggy-back ride all the way there because he doesn't FEEL like walking? Well, sh!t, he didn't feel like being arrested either, so why not just let him go?

Let me clear this up for you, resisting arrest is a crime...one he is being charged with.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: Eghck

Originally posted by: chrisg22

Originally posted by: Eghck
disclaimer: I don't know crap about tasers, and Im not a cop.

I don't know why the kid didn't just get up after that 1st tase. He was able to go on that rant about justice or whatever. Seems like he could have stood up. Still 5 times was excessive. If a bouncer can kick a drunk guy out of a club, why couldn't they carry this guy out?

police officers aren't bouncers.....

well I meant, are police not allowed to carry someone out?

Thats what I was wondering. Bouncers will kick you out but not taser you and whack you with a baton unless you're trying to fvck with them. So why couldn't the cops just drag him out?

 

[Mark R]

What was he being arrested for?

I was under the impression that you could not be arrested for trespass - you could only be removed if a court issued a restraining order requring you to leave. Maybe that doesn't apply in CA.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Eghck

Originally posted by: chrisg22

Originally posted by: Eghck
disclaimer: I don't know crap about tasers, and Im not a cop.

I don't know why the kid didn't just get up after that 1st tase. He was able to go on that rant about justice or whatever. Seems like he could have stood up. Still 5 times was excessive. If a bouncer can kick a drunk guy out of a club, why couldn't they carry this guy out?

police officers aren't bouncers.....

well I meant, are police not allowed to carry someone out?

How far is it from the computer lab in the UCLA library to the police offers car? They should, I'm guessing, give the guy a piggy-back ride all the way there because he doesn't FEEL like walking? Well, sh!t, he didn't feel like being arrested either, so why not just let him go?

Let me clear this up for you, resisting arrest is a crime...one he is being charged with.

It's only a shame that being a tool isn't a criminal offense as well. You'd be up at Folsom State with a life sentence after getting your third strike shortly after leaving the womb.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: alexjohnson16

Originally posted by: goog40
Seems like the guy was pretty much asking to get tasered (at least from the 2nd time on).

I was thinking that too, but its hard to know if he could stand up or not. Also, not sure if its true or not, but he was yelling about a medical condition. Could be panic attacks or something cause he was flipping out.

Its a tough world. Nothing like a good taser to help a medical condition though.
The police were doing him a favor.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: Mark R
What was he being arrested for?

I was under the impression that you could not be arrested for trespass - you could only be removed if a court issued a restraining order requring you to leave. Maybe that doesn't apply in CA.

You sure you're not confusing trespassing with loitering? Tresspassing will likely get you instantly arrested, anywhere.

Anyways, I only have one thing to say about all of this: LOL. As soon as he mentioned the patriot act, I was happy to hear him get tazed a few more times.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Mill
I think the difference is he was leaving when they grabbed his arm (at least according to the paper). That was probably unnecessary and inflamed the situation. Part of being an authority figure is knowing how to peacefully resolve situations and not flanning the flames of a fire.

I think it was very necessary. I'm curious what somebody would be doing with unauthorized access to the Internet and why what he was doing was so important that he defied requests to leave. I'm sure the cops were curious too and may have asked him a couple quick questions before walking him outside. Cops also usually run your ID whenever they stop you for anything down to jaywalking just to check.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Eghck

Originally posted by: chrisg22

Originally posted by: Eghck
disclaimer: I don't know crap about tasers, and Im not a cop.

I don't know why the kid didn't just get up after that 1st tase. He was able to go on that rant about justice or whatever. Seems like he could have stood up. Still 5 times was excessive. If a bouncer can kick a drunk guy out of a club, why couldn't they carry this guy out?

police officers aren't bouncers.....

well I meant, are police not allowed to carry someone out?

How far is it from the computer lab in the UCLA library to the police offers car? They should, I'm guessing, give the guy a piggy-back ride all the way there because he doesn't FEEL like walking? Well, sh!t, he didn't feel like being arrested either, so why not just let him go?

Let me clear this up for you, resisting arrest is a crime...one he is being charged with.

It's only a shame that being a tool isn't a criminal offense as well. You'd be up at Folsom State with a life sentence after getting your third strike shortly after leaving the womb.

So you'd rather fvck with the guy and show zero sense of decency by tasering him multiple times? You still have to drag the guy. Good job. You screw up your own image, you hurt an innocent guy, and you end up with the same result.. Having to drag the guy away. If he refuses to leave, he can get arrested. Now that he's arrested and cuffed, just pull him away. Why taser him?

 

[LongCoolMother]

while I think the kid was a douche, i see no justification whatsoever for the cops to taze him-- even less doing it 3 times.

He didnt seem to pose any serious threat by not complying with simple requests to leave/stand up. perhaps they could have simply arrested and cuffed him and dragged him out. they certainly can, quite easily, judging from numbers. unless those cops were scrawny, which they certainly didnt appear to be.

im sure the student body and ucla is enraged. i know here at berkeley, students would raise incredible hell and the ucpd/admin would never hear the end of it.

EDIT: I think some of you are missing the point. Was the kid an idiot? Yes. Should he have complied as quickly as possible? Yes. Should he have been arrested? I dont know, quite possibly. He was an ass, granted...BUT! My point is, tasering him multiple times for these relatively 'unthreatening' transgressions is way over the top. You guys are all just saying, "What a jerk. He DESERVES to be tasered." Im saying, just because hes a jerk, doesnt mean he should get tasered.