Guy at UCLA computer lab gets tasered (now with youtube video!!)

[maziwanka]

Originally posted by: arkcom
It's the ENTIRE point, if he wouldve given id this wouldnt have happened. If he wasnt a student he should've left, if he was a student he should have known to have his id on him and leave when he couldnt provide it.

NO it is not the point. being a student will only strengthen his case against the police and UCLA. do you think the police brutality hinged on him being a student??

 

[maziwanka]

Originally posted by: arkcom

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: arkcom
They didnt know he was a student thats whole point...

They didn't know he wasn't a student either!

Like I said, he should have had ID.

by your logic, the punishment for no ID should be a taser or 5.

 

[imported_wicka]

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: wicka

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: wicka
The problem here is that it's not a public building, it's university property. The reason he needed ID is to prove that he is a student. Regardless of how you feel about it, those are the rules and you must abide by them. The guy refused to give any form of ID and then refused to leave. What kind of message does that send? And then, even when police are present, he lays on the ground and doesn't move. If you refuse to both ID yourself and leave a premises you are identifying yourself as an unknown, and unknowns are dangerous. If he had simply left when the CSO (basically the security guard at the library) asked him to, none of this would've happened. Instead he turned into an ass and got tazered. You know what pissed me off watching that video? The mob of students shouting "we want your badge numbers!" and "oh just let him go!" In the eyes of the police that man was a very real a danger to the very people trying to protect him. In all honesty I am surprised no one pulled their guns on him...

Also, someone above mentioned that if this had happened at an airport, if someone ran through security, people would still be disgusted. Completely inaccurate. If you sprinted through airport security you would be shot rather instantaneously. People would still complain but it would easily be justified.

the amount of force you think police officers should use in response to a student refusing to leave a university library, who honestly poses no threat to other students, is astounding.

you may argue with me about the threat this student posed to other students and in response, i'd like to know what that threat would be.

you think it would have been alright for the officers to have pulled out their guns in this situation?

there were three fvcking police officers and one idiotic student who became limp and refused to leave the library. do you honestly fvcking believe that police officers haven't dealt with far worse individuals without resorting to using tasers? use your fvcking police training and the two other officers there to drag the student out of the library. how much more responsive did he become when he was tasered?

how much clearer can this situation fvcking be? god damn.

So you're saying that if someone refuses to identify themselves, refuses to leave when asked by security, and freaks out and lays on the ground when police ask to leave, you can safely assume they are of no danger to anyway?

assume

after he was cuffed, what kind of threat do you think he posed? enough to mandate a taser? 5 tasers?

Answer me this: why wouldn't he just leave? If he for no apparent reason refuses to leave, which is an extremely simple thing to do (hell you can even choose which foot to move first)...how can you see there is no threat there? That's what part of being a police officer is: not assuming.

 

[magomago]

sounds like the cops got some new toys and just itched to use it...cops definitely took it too far

 

[TheNinja]

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: TheNinja
lol...what a little bitch student. when the cops ask you to do something like stand up, or leave...it's not a suggestion. it's funny to hear him try and complain and say "i got tazed for no reason, I will not stand up"..lol, bunch of whiners.

"lol"? fvck.

a simple question: do you understand what happened?

yes, the kid was in the library without his ID. Policy is that an ID is required. When the police asked him to leave he started throwing a hissy hit "DON'T TOUCH ME...DON'T TOUCH ME", causing a big scene and disturbing public. It's not going to cause any long term harm, he and his buddies can go have some beers and tell stories about getting tazed.

He was purposely trying to cause a scene and disobeying the law, meanwhile trying to start some sort of civil right riot. like I said, when you are disobeying the law and police ask you to do something, you do it.

 

[KrillBee]

follow the cops and do EXACTLY what they ask, regardless of how unfair it sounds or whether or not you agree with it.

Or else there is a good chance you will get tazed.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: arkcom

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: arkcom
They didnt know he was a student thats whole point...

They didn't know he wasn't a student either!

Like I said, he should have had ID.

IDs can be stolen.

 

[imported_wicka]

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: arkcom

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: arkcom
They didnt know he was a student thats whole point...

They didn't know he wasn't a student either!

Like I said, he should have had ID.

by your logic, the punishment for no ID should be a taser or 5.

Not true at all, you complete liar. His logic states that if you have no ID, you should leave, if you refuse to leave and give people reason to believe you are dangerous, THEN you get the tazer.

 

[TheNinja]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: arkcom

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: arkcom
They didnt know he was a student thats whole point...

They didn't know he wasn't a student either!

Like I said, he should have had ID.

IDs can be stolen.

simple solution....calmly say "my ID was stolen, I will leave the library until I get a new one". don't say "noooo, i will not leave, don't touch me". the kid thinks he's a civil right activist making a stand for something. he's just a moron who can't follow directions.

 

[maziwanka]

Originally posted by: wicka

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: wicka

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: wicka
The problem here is that it's not a public building, it's university property. The reason he needed ID is to prove that he is a student. Regardless of how you feel about it, those are the rules and you must abide by them. The guy refused to give any form of ID and then refused to leave. What kind of message does that send? And then, even when police are present, he lays on the ground and doesn't move. If you refuse to both ID yourself and leave a premises you are identifying yourself as an unknown, and unknowns are dangerous. If he had simply left when the CSO (basically the security guard at the library) asked him to, none of this would've happened. Instead he turned into an ass and got tazered. You know what pissed me off watching that video? The mob of students shouting "we want your badge numbers!" and "oh just let him go!" In the eyes of the police that man was a very real a danger to the very people trying to protect him. In all honesty I am surprised no one pulled their guns on him...

Also, someone above mentioned that if this had happened at an airport, if someone ran through security, people would still be disgusted. Completely inaccurate. If you sprinted through airport security you would be shot rather instantaneously. People would still complain but it would easily be justified.

the amount of force you think police officers should use in response to a student refusing to leave a university library, who honestly poses no threat to other students, is astounding.

you may argue with me about the threat this student posed to other students and in response, i'd like to know what that threat would be.

you think it would have been alright for the officers to have pulled out their guns in this situation?

there were three fvcking police officers and one idiotic student who became limp and refused to leave the library. do you honestly fvcking believe that police officers haven't dealt with far worse individuals without resorting to using tasers? use your fvcking police training and the two other officers there to drag the student out of the library. how much more responsive did he become when he was tasered?

how much clearer can this situation fvcking be? god damn.

So you're saying that if someone refuses to identify themselves, refuses to leave when asked by security, and freaks out and lays on the ground when police ask to leave, you can safely assume they are of no danger to anyway?

assume

after he was cuffed, what kind of threat do you think he posed? enough to mandate a taser? 5 tasers?

Answer me this: why wouldn't he just leave? If he for no apparent reason refuses to leave, which is an extremely simple thing to do (hell you can even choose which foot to move first)...how can you see there is no threat there? That's what part of being a police officer is: not assuming.

even with your argument, im not arguing against threat but the degree of threat.

and, not to sound extreme, but what do you think civil disobedience was?

 

[maziwanka]

Originally posted by: wicka

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: arkcom

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: arkcom
They didnt know he was a student thats whole point...

They didn't know he wasn't a student either!

Like I said, he should have had ID.

by your logic, the punishment for no ID should be a taser or 5.

Not true at all, you complete liar. His logic states that if you have no ID, you should leave, if you refuse to leave and give people reason to believe you are dangerous, THEN you get the tazer.

hahahahaha. i loved "you complete liar."

"give people a reason to believe you are dangerous" is the key to your whole statement. what danger did he pose? did that danger require the use of a taser (5 times)?

 

[arkcom]

Originally posted by: wicka

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: arkcom

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: arkcom
They didnt know he was a student thats whole point...

They didn't know he wasn't a student either!

Like I said, he should have had ID.

by your logic, the punishment for no ID should be a taser or 5.

Not true at all, you complete liar. His logic states that if you have no ID, you should leave, if you refuse to leave and give people reason to believe you are dangerous, THEN you get the tazer.

Thank you.
If your ID was stolen, go get a new one before going to the library, or leave when asked to.

 

[EGGO]

From what I can tell, there's no right party here.

-Kid was being too dramatic over this ordeal and seemed to do things "his" way because he is stubborn. The way how he acted in that video makes me believe that.

-Police used too much force at the time. There were three of them, the kid isn't some burly guy. Tazering him certainly caused an uproar and upset citizens. I think they could've done it better by extracting him; I have almost no doubt that it would've been more efficient and would not have created that much of a big deal.

There's more I could say but a lot of people are bringing up good points for both sides of the story.

 

[imported_wicka]

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: wicka

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: wicka

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: wicka
The problem here is that it's not a public building, it's university property. The reason he needed ID is to prove that he is a student. Regardless of how you feel about it, those are the rules and you must abide by them. The guy refused to give any form of ID and then refused to leave. What kind of message does that send? And then, even when police are present, he lays on the ground and doesn't move. If you refuse to both ID yourself and leave a premises you are identifying yourself as an unknown, and unknowns are dangerous. If he had simply left when the CSO (basically the security guard at the library) asked him to, none of this would've happened. Instead he turned into an ass and got tazered. You know what pissed me off watching that video? The mob of students shouting "we want your badge numbers!" and "oh just let him go!" In the eyes of the police that man was a very real a danger to the very people trying to protect him. In all honesty I am surprised no one pulled their guns on him...

Also, someone above mentioned that if this had happened at an airport, if someone ran through security, people would still be disgusted. Completely inaccurate. If you sprinted through airport security you would be shot rather instantaneously. People would still complain but it would easily be justified.

the amount of force you think police officers should use in response to a student refusing to leave a university library, who honestly poses no threat to other students, is astounding.

you may argue with me about the threat this student posed to other students and in response, i'd like to know what that threat would be.

you think it would have been alright for the officers to have pulled out their guns in this situation?

there were three fvcking police officers and one idiotic student who became limp and refused to leave the library. do you honestly fvcking believe that police officers haven't dealt with far worse individuals without resorting to using tasers? use your fvcking police training and the two other officers there to drag the student out of the library. how much more responsive did he become when he was tasered?

how much clearer can this situation fvcking be? god damn.

So you're saying that if someone refuses to identify themselves, refuses to leave when asked by security, and freaks out and lays on the ground when police ask to leave, you can safely assume they are of no danger to anyway?

assume

after he was cuffed, what kind of threat do you think he posed? enough to mandate a taser? 5 tasers?

Answer me this: why wouldn't he just leave? If he for no apparent reason refuses to leave, which is an extremely simple thing to do (hell you can even choose which foot to move first)...how can you see there is no threat there? That's what part of being a police officer is: not assuming.

even with your argument, im not arguing against threat but the degree of threat.

and, not to sound extreme, but what do you think civil disobedience was?

Civil disobedience was done for a real reason. I doubt of any us are to sit here and say that India didn't deserve independence, or that we should get rid of equal rights. This ass just wouldn't leave a library. What the hell?

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: TheNinja

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: arkcom

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: arkcom
They didnt know he was a student thats whole point...

They didn't know he wasn't a student either!

Like I said, he should have had ID.

IDs can be stolen.

simple solution....calmly say "my ID was stolen, I will leave the library until I get a new one". don't say "noooo, i will not leave, don't touch me". the kid thinks he's a civil right activist making a stand for something. he's just a moron who can't follow directions.

No, you missed the point. Someone who was really looking to commit a crime in a library wouldn't commit stupid mistakes like not having their ID when required. I mean, do they check to see if your ID is stolen or not? That is the whole point of the policy isn't it?

 

[maziwanka]

Originally posted by: TheNinja

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: arkcom

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: arkcom
They didnt know he was a student thats whole point...

They didn't know he wasn't a student either!

Like I said, he should have had ID.

IDs can be stolen.

simple solution....calmly say "my ID was stolen, I will leave the library until I get a new one". don't say "noooo, i will not leave, don't touch me". the kid thinks he's a civil right activist making a stand for something. he's just a moron who can't follow directions.

i think any of us who are bashing the police for their actions aren't condoning the student's behavior. he was a moron but his actions brought to light something far more horrendous. it's better that these officers will be punished (hopefully) rather than make some larger mistake in the future that may end up with a loss of life.

 

[Andyb23]

Originally posted by: arkcom

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: arkcom
They didnt know he was a student thats whole point...

They didn't know he wasn't a student either!

Like I said, he should have had ID.

Are any of you idiots reading the articles in question? Jesus Christ I swear its like any 3 year old can get a comp these days.

 

[arkcom]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: TheNinja

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: arkcom

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: arkcom
They didnt know he was a student thats whole point...

They didn't know he wasn't a student either!

Like I said, he should have had ID.

IDs can be stolen.

simple solution....calmly say "my ID was stolen, I will leave the library until I get a new one". don't say "noooo, i will not leave, don't touch me". the kid thinks he's a civil right activist making a stand for something. he's just a moron who can't follow directions.

No, you missed the point. Someone who was really looking to commit a crime in a library wouldn't commit stupid mistakes like not having their ID when required. I mean, do they check to see if your ID is stolen or not? That is the whole point of the policy isn't it?

You forget, most criminals are about this stupid.

 

[maziwanka]

Originally posted by: wicka

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: wicka

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: wicka

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: wicka
The problem here is that it's not a public building, it's university property. The reason he needed ID is to prove that he is a student. Regardless of how you feel about it, those are the rules and you must abide by them. The guy refused to give any form of ID and then refused to leave. What kind of message does that send? And then, even when police are present, he lays on the ground and doesn't move. If you refuse to both ID yourself and leave a premises you are identifying yourself as an unknown, and unknowns are dangerous. If he had simply left when the CSO (basically the security guard at the library) asked him to, none of this would've happened. Instead he turned into an ass and got tazered. You know what pissed me off watching that video? The mob of students shouting "we want your badge numbers!" and "oh just let him go!" In the eyes of the police that man was a very real a danger to the very people trying to protect him. In all honesty I am surprised no one pulled their guns on him...

Also, someone above mentioned that if this had happened at an airport, if someone ran through security, people would still be disgusted. Completely inaccurate. If you sprinted through airport security you would be shot rather instantaneously. People would still complain but it would easily be justified.

the amount of force you think police officers should use in response to a student refusing to leave a university library, who honestly poses no threat to other students, is astounding.

you may argue with me about the threat this student posed to other students and in response, i'd like to know what that threat would be.

you think it would have been alright for the officers to have pulled out their guns in this situation?

there were three fvcking police officers and one idiotic student who became limp and refused to leave the library. do you honestly fvcking believe that police officers haven't dealt with far worse individuals without resorting to using tasers? use your fvcking police training and the two other officers there to drag the student out of the library. how much more responsive did he become when he was tasered?

how much clearer can this situation fvcking be? god damn.

So you're saying that if someone refuses to identify themselves, refuses to leave when asked by security, and freaks out and lays on the ground when police ask to leave, you can safely assume they are of no danger to anyway?

assume

after he was cuffed, what kind of threat do you think he posed? enough to mandate a taser? 5 tasers?

Answer me this: why wouldn't he just leave? If he for no apparent reason refuses to leave, which is an extremely simple thing to do (hell you can even choose which foot to move first)...how can you see there is no threat there? That's what part of being a police officer is: not assuming.

even with your argument, im not arguing against threat but the degree of threat.

and, not to sound extreme, but what do you think civil disobedience was?

Civil disobedience was done for a real reason. I doubt of any us are to sit here and say that India didn't deserve independence, or that we should get rid of equal rights. This ass just wouldn't leave a library. What the hell?

i agree man, BUT did that stupidity deserve the ultimate punishment he received? while the student was in the wrong, the officers' mistake was far more egregious.

 

[imported_wicka]

Originally posted by: maziwanka
"give people a reason to believe you are dangerous" is the key to your whole statement. what danger did he pose? did that danger require the use of a taser (5 times)?

My mind is honestly blown by your complete lack of intelligence. I have stated many, MANY times that this kid made himself known as a danger. Without knowing how dangerous this kid was, the police had the right to use force. Maybe it was excessive, but who cares? Who the hell really acts this way that doesn't deserve to get tazered? I hope to god that if I ever act this way I get the sh!t kicked out of me.

 

[Andyb23]

Everyone should go back and read the articles and also read what Mill wrote about UCLA's policies.

You guys are in such a blood frenzy to jump on this guy that you can't see the basic facts in front of your face.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: arkcom

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: TheNinja

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: arkcom

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: arkcom
They didnt know he was a student thats whole point...

They didn't know he wasn't a student either!

Like I said, he should have had ID.

IDs can be stolen.

simple solution....calmly say "my ID was stolen, I will leave the library until I get a new one". don't say "noooo, i will not leave, don't touch me". the kid thinks he's a civil right activist making a stand for something. he's just a moron who can't follow directions.

No, you missed the point. Someone who was really looking to commit a crime in a library wouldn't commit stupid mistakes like not having their ID when required. I mean, do they check to see if your ID is stolen or not? That is the whole point of the policy isn't it?

You forget, most criminals are about this stupid.

Keyword: most, i.e., not all!

 

[arkcom]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: arkcom

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: TheNinja

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: arkcom

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: arkcom
They didnt know he was a student thats whole point...

They didn't know he wasn't a student either!

Like I said, he should have had ID.

IDs can be stolen.

simple solution....calmly say "my ID was stolen, I will leave the library until I get a new one". don't say "noooo, i will not leave, don't touch me". the kid thinks he's a civil right activist making a stand for something. he's just a moron who can't follow directions.

No, you missed the point. Someone who was really looking to commit a crime in a library wouldn't commit stupid mistakes like not having their ID when required. I mean, do they check to see if your ID is stolen or not? That is the whole point of the policy isn't it?

You forget, most criminals are about this stupid.

Keyword: most, i.e., not all!

umm.... it only takes one.

 

[Andyb23]

Originally posted by: arkcom

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: arkcom

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: TheNinja

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: arkcom

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: arkcom
They didnt know he was a student thats whole point...

They didn't know he wasn't a student either!

Like I said, he should have had ID.

IDs can be stolen.

simple solution....calmly say "my ID was stolen, I will leave the library until I get a new one". don't say "noooo, i will not leave, don't touch me". the kid thinks he's a civil right activist making a stand for something. he's just a moron who can't follow directions.

No, you missed the point. Someone who was really looking to commit a crime in a library wouldn't commit stupid mistakes like not having their ID when required. I mean, do they check to see if your ID is stolen or not? That is the whole point of the policy isn't it?

You forget, most criminals are about this stupid.

Keyword: most, i.e., not all!

umm.... it only takes one.

:roll:

Its already in the LA Times.

Heads are gonna roll for this.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: arkcom

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: arkcom

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: TheNinja

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: arkcom

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: arkcom
They didnt know he was a student thats whole point...

They didn't know he wasn't a student either!

Like I said, he should have had ID.

IDs can be stolen.

simple solution....calmly say "my ID was stolen, I will leave the library until I get a new one". don't say "noooo, i will not leave, don't touch me". the kid thinks he's a civil right activist making a stand for something. he's just a moron who can't follow directions.

No, you missed the point. Someone who was really looking to commit a crime in a library wouldn't commit stupid mistakes like not having their ID when required. I mean, do they check to see if your ID is stolen or not? That is the whole point of the policy isn't it?

You forget, most criminals are about this stupid.

Keyword: most, i.e., not all!

umm.... it only takes one.

Also, keep in mind that this policy does nothing for UCLA students committing crimes. By that I mean, there's no logs of who is in the library at what times, just that all patrons have UCLA ID cards.