Guy at UCLA computer lab gets tasered (now with youtube video!!)

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tk149

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Originally posted by: shuttleboi
Hi SwimScubaSteve, your icon suggests you are a policeman. What high school did you drop out of to pursue that fine career?

You are an ignorant idiot. At best.
 

tk149

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Originally posted by: shuttleboi
Originally posted by: I Saw OJ
That damn kid deserved every volt he got. I bet most of you have no idea what bullshit a cop has to go through in a days work, each and every day to protect YOU. Police can?t make exceptions for different people, they walk into every situation like it could get hostel because the first time they don?t, and let their guard down they could get KILLED.

On a side note, I had no idea how many tree hugging liberal crybabies ATOT had.



Police are sacks of crap who dropped out of school. They failed their SAT, decided to get into a career where they could use a gun, and then start acting all bad-ass. They work for the public; we do not work for them. They can suck my ****.
:disgust::roll:

 

shuttleboi

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I find it funny that so many people here are saying the university cops are right. It's funny because you dumbasses didn't even finish high school, much less walk onto a top-tier university like UCLA.
 

PurdueRy

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Originally posted by: shuttleboi
I find it funny that so many people here are saying the university cops are right. It's funny because you dumbasses didn't even finish high school, much less walk onto a top-tier university like UCLA.

And you are retarded asshat that thinks all police are uneducated grunts put there to get in the way of your fun.

And yes I finished high school and am almost out of the #7 Electrical engineering program in the nation...not that I really care about that but apparently you do.
 

Clocker

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This person had a right to resit an unlawful arrest. Further I think student who does not carry identification should not face the consequences of being tazed. If it was me i would not have resisted. Since, i know the police (since there human) can loose their temper. but do they have the right to loose their temper. I dont think so.

also, as other people pointed out. it might have been difficult for him to stand up. for myself being part of the military i have been tazed, and i really could not move at least for a few minutes after the incident.
 

LtPage1

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Tasers have proven again and again, in "accident" after accident, to be anything but nonlethal weapons. This guy got lucky that he didn't die. It's sh!t like this that slaps you in the face and makes you afraid of police.

I hope he sues the pants off the school administration- maybe then they'll sit up and pay attention to the way the UC cops act at all the campuses- as a UC student, I can testify that this is NOT isolated to LA.
 

Clocker

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oh btw this was from UCPD response

"A Taser is used to incapacitate subjects who are resistant by discharging an electronic current into the subject in one of two methods: via two wired probes that are deployed from the Taser, or in a "drive stun" capacity by touching the subject with the Taser. In this incident, the student was not shot with a Taser; rather officers used the "drive stun" capability."

If a taser is used to incapacitate or stun. Would you expect the stun or incapacitated person to freely move???
 

bctbct

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Originally posted by: wicka


My mind is honestly blown by your complete lack of intelligence. I have stated many, MANY times that this kid made himself known as a danger. Without knowing how dangerous this kid was, the police had the right to use force. Maybe it was excessive, but who cares? Who the hell really acts this way that doesn't deserve to get tazered? I hope to god that if I ever act this way I get the sh!t kicked out of me.


That is pretty much the dumbest arguement I have read in a long time and you should have the ****** kicked out of you for being stupid even though you dont seem dangerous.
 

dxkj

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Originally posted by: Clocker
oh btw this was from UCPD response

"A Taser is used to incapacitate subjects who are resistant by discharging an electronic current into the subject in one of two methods: via two wired probes that are deployed from the Taser, or in a "drive stun" capacity by touching the subject with the Taser. In this incident, the student was not shot with a Taser; rather officers used the "drive stun" capability."

If a taser is used to incapacitate or stun. Would you expect the stun or incapacitated person to freely move???

Are you that dense? It incapacitates them while they are being stunned.

It doesnt render them helpless to move for 5 minutes.


That being said... why didnt the lazy cops just cuff the guy and carry him out, there were 6 of them.
 

Dessert Tears

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From the OP, I read the initial Daily Bruin article and the police report, and watched some of the video. Since the video quality is not so good, I put the video in the background and listened to the audio. I also read the "Community responds ..." article linked from the front page of the Daily Bruin.

Is there any dispute over how the Taser was deployed, i.e. is whether it was used in "drive stun" mode in question? I did not read that from either of the articles. A quick Google search confirms that "drive stun" mode does not use the Taser projectile and is applied directly to the arrestee in the manner of a "stun gun".

How many UCPD officers responded? I believe I saw 3 or 4 in the video, which is insufficient to simultaneously remove the student and perform crowd control.

From informal tests done by self-defense enthusiasts circa 1999, it was found that consumer-grade (up to 100KV were tested, IIRC) stun guns are ineffectual at stopping a determined attacker, particularly one who has experienced it previously. Their effectiveness relies on pain sensation and an element of surprise or unfamiliarity. In addition to sparring and marksmanship drills while being "stunned", several people shared amusing anecdotes where they cheerfully "stunned" themselves repeatedly, sometimes as a conversation starter. :Q

Stun guns have poor effectiveness with respect to motor incapacitation for 2 basic reasons: human skin is a very good electrical insulator and the terminals must be close together for the sake of portability. A Taser, when deployed in projectile mode, has prongs which spread apart in midair and puncture the skin. Once the skin is punctured, the required voltage is much lower - the Taser uses only 50KV.

Since 1999, the voltages available have increased - I found a 975KV stun gun (3xCR123A) for $65 online. AFAICT, the basic technology hasn't changed, just higher battery voltages and/or larger capacitors. Furthermore, the marketing language hasn't changed either - the highest voltage stun guns claim to incapacitate a subject's motor function for 5-10 seconds - the same claim that was made back in 1999 and since refuted. I believe that a higher voltage stun gun is more likely to fulfill its claims (I am incredulous) and that it will definitely hurt worse.

My reasoning and conclusions, mostly from listening to the video:
  • The taser was used in "drive stun" mode, which is much less likely to incapacitate motor function and is more used for pain compliance, according to the official Taser training manual, quoted below. The student's screams of pain further bolster the conclusion that "drive stun" was used.
  • If "drive stun" was used, it is unlikely that the student was incapacitated and unable to stand.
  • The student demonstrates that he is capable of speaking when he yells a couple or few times (not counting the screaming as the Taser is applied). At no point did I hear "I have a medical condition" (as one of the articles claimed - please post an approximate time if you heard it), "I can't get up", "my legs don't work", etc.
  • Since it is likely that the student was capable of standing and did not specifically protest that he was unable, I believe that his not standing was deliberate non-compliance as described in the police report.

From this article
The Taser training manual advises that because it is not incapacitating, this [drive stun] mode can lead to "prolonged struggles" and that "it is in these types of scenarios that officers are often facing accusations of excessive force."

Originally posted by: LtPage1
Tasers have proven again and again, in "accident" after accident, to be anything but nonlethal weapons. This guy got lucky that he didn't die.
The ineffectiveness of the Taser in "drive stun" mode at disrupting the nervous system is accompanied by a reduced risk of sudden death. It should be no more strenuous than standard pain compliance. I wonder how well breaking the student's fingers - accidentally, but fairly easy to do with inadequate training - would have gone over.
 

wiredspider

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Got what he deserved

Stupid kids, think the cops actually want to taser the guy and fill out all the paper work?
 

touchmyichi

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jeez, everyone here has a huge bias towards authority. Just because police officers were following some form of law doesn't make it appropriate for the situation.

First off, he was on his way out. They didn't need to grab hold of him or anything, he was going to leave. And for all of you guys calling him a B**ch or whatever, it's a damn taser. That's meant to stun you, I'm sure it would hurt a lot. And even worse they kept telling him to get up and stand, even though he's been hit with something which is supposed incapacitate you. They could of just threatened to cuff him if he didn't leave immediately. He was dead on with his quote, it really was abuse of power.

Oh and also, the police threatened the students who asked to see their badges, which is also illegal.

Come on guys, use some damn common sense- this all was completely unnecessary and it was in a freaking library.
 

shuttleboi

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Originally posted by: bctbct
Originally posted by: wicka


My mind is honestly blown by your complete lack of intelligence. I have stated many, MANY times that this kid made himself known as a danger. Without knowing how dangerous this kid was, the police had the right to use force. Maybe it was excessive, but who cares? Who the hell really acts this way that doesn't deserve to get tazered? I hope to god that if I ever act this way I get the sh!t kicked out of me.


That is pretty much the dumbest arguement I have read in a long time and you should have the ****** kicked out of you for being stupid even though you dont seem dangerous.


I agree, that was an incredibly stupid argument. That poster should get the living **** kicked out of him.

 

Clocker

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Originally posted by: dxkj
Originally posted by: Clocker
oh btw this was from UCPD response

"A Taser is used to incapacitate subjects who are resistant by discharging an electronic current into the subject in one of two methods: via two wired probes that are deployed from the Taser, or in a "drive stun" capacity by touching the subject with the Taser. In this incident, the student was not shot with a Taser; rather officers used the "drive stun" capability."

If a taser is used to incapacitate or stun. Would you expect the stun or incapacitated person to freely move???

Are you that dense? It incapacitates them while they are being stunned.

It doesnt render them helpless to move for 5 minutes.


That being said... why didnt the lazy cops just cuff the guy and carry him out, there were 6 of them.


are u that dense? wasnt that a bit rude? i have been tazed before (have you) due to my occupation in the military. tazers can affect some people differently.

but nevertheless i wish you the best. I am trying to inform not criticize without foundation. best regards.
 

LS20

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Originally posted by: Flatscan


How many UCPD officers responded? I believe I saw 3 or 4 in the video, which is insufficient to simultaneously remove the student and perform crowd control.




My reasoning and conclusions, mostly from listening to the video:
  • If "drive stun" was used, it is unlikely that the student was incapacitated and unable to stand.
  • The student demonstrates that he is capable of speaking when he yells a couple or few times (not counting the screaming as the Taser is applied). At no point did I hear "I have a medical condition" (as one of the articles claimed - please post an approximate time if you heard it), "I can't get up", "my legs don't work", etc.
  • Since it is likely that the student was capable of standing and did not specifically protest that he was unable, I believe that his not standing was deliberate non-compliance as described in the police report.

1. there would be no riotous crowd if he was simply dragged from the library
2. it matters not whether he was incapacitated by the tazer or not, because...

tazer should have never been employed. 441 replies and not a single person condoned his actions (initial and subsequent). however, POINT IS, his actions did not warrant a tazer!!! a kid in a library being unresponsive and uncooperative is not cause for a tazer!!! a kid sitting LIMP is not a THREAT to warrant incapacitation.

(if he had said "fck you im not leaving come closer and ill cut you" then itd be a different story). a tazer is (supposedly) a non-lethal means of subduing subjects in the interest of safety of the officers, the public, and the subjects themselves. an uncooperative but unarmed and non-threatening kid presents no danger to any of those. 10 years ago before tasers were employed, would it then be appropriate to beat him with batons? how about non-lethal bullet shots to the leg?

give me a break. frankly, your authoriatian views is an insult to the rest of us americans
 

Ricemarine

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Originally posted by: Flatscan
[*]The student demonstrates that he is capable of speaking when he yells a couple or few times (not counting the screaming as the Taser is applied). At no point did I hear "I have a medical condition" (as one of the articles claimed - please post an approximate time if you heard it), "I can't get up", "my legs don't work", etc.
[*]Since it is likely that the student was capable of standing and did not specifically protest that he was unable, I believe that his not standing was deliberate non-compliance as described in the police report.[/list]


0:41.
he says he has a ****ing medical condition.

As for my opinion.
1. Tazing him 5 times wasn't justifiable. They should've just dragged him out. In a sense the police would not cooperate and were somewhat abusing their sense of power.
2. In no way was he creating a resistance.
3. Medical condition? Either the guy should've stated his medical condition if it would help not get him tazed again. That should've given a warning to the officers to avoid tazing him. Remember the article where a kid was killed by being tazed? Difference in age could mean nothing. Each body reacts differently to shocks.
4. Yes, being tazed could leave you immobilized. After the first one, since he was capable of talking, ok fine. 2nd thru 5th was not. Hence why people stood up for the guy.
5. If people around you want your badge #, and you threaten to taze them, by all means I would at least try to get you fired for threatening the public safety.
6. He was leaving the library... Why pull him aside and make the arguement worse.
7. More than likely the racism card will be pulled in court, and it was pulled in the incident, hence the patriot act.
8. Who cares if police face bs like that everyday. He was not a threat, he did not threaten to fight back, he had no right to be tazed in the first place. He had no visible threat, and who the hell would carry a weapon in a library anyway?... Yes, small occurance sometimes happen, but in this case since he was saying he would not fight back, they shouldn't have stunned him.
 

zainali

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crazy stuff.

so whats going to happen now? guy is gonna sue UCLA and get a bunch of money probably.
 

postmortemIA

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Originally posted by: zainali
crazy stuff.

so whats going to happen now? guy is gonna sue UCLA and get a bunch of money probably.

based on hist first and last name, i don't think so.
 

Mill

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Originally posted by: Clocker
This person had a right to resit an unlawful arrest. Further I think student who does not carry identification should not face the consequences of being tazed. If it was me i would not have resisted. Since, i know the police (since there human) can loose their temper. but do they have the right to loose their temper. I dont think so.

also, as other people pointed out. it might have been difficult for him to stand up. for myself being part of the military i have been tazed, and i really could not move at least for a few minutes after the incident.

Yes in some states you have a right to resist unlawful arrest. However, there's a major problem with doing so. One, you cannot use any form of violence or physical touching/hitting, in some states it isn't allowed at all, and then you have to overcome two different charges.

You don't want to play legal games with the police unless you are sure you will win. It is better to comply and file your complaint later.
 
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