Guy at UCLA computer lab gets tasered (now with youtube video!!)

[Aimster]

The guy claims he was singled out. Witness statements prove his claim.

They did not ask everyone for an ID. Just random people

If that happened to me I would tell them to f-off. Guess Id get tasered.

Why the hell do you need to check ID if the computers require university ID to log into the system? Looks like someone working there wanted to be an asshole.

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: Aimster
The guy claims he was singled out. Witness statements prove his claim.

They did not ask everyone for an ID. Just random people

If that happened to me I would tell them to f-off. Guess Id get tasered.

Why the hell do you need to check ID if the computers require university ID to log into the system? Looks like someone working there wanted to be an asshole.

Thats a good point. At University computer labs, you need a student ID and password to sign onto the computer, so a random ID check is completely unnecessary. Regardless, I think all schools have a policy that says you must have school ID on you at all times for identification. The security staff was ridiculous in the fact that they actually tried to enforce that policy in a computer lab which already has it's own safe guard (student ID login). If I were at my school's lab, and I had ID, and a security officer asked me for it, I would ask why, and if the reason was acceptable, I would show him. If I didnt have ID, and it was policy to have ID, I would leave and fight my battle outside of the computer lab through administration.

The security in this incident were morons on a power trip, but the kid in the video was an idiot in the way he handled the situation. He could have easily avoided getting tased and still filed a complaint against security like any civilized person would do.

 

[VooDooAddict]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: Aimster
The guy claims he was singled out. Witness statements prove his claim.

They did not ask everyone for an ID. Just random people

If that happened to me I would tell them to f-off. Guess Id get tasered.

Why the hell do you need to check ID if the computers require university ID to log into the system? Looks like someone working there wanted to be an asshole.

Thats a good point. At University computer labs, you need a student ID and password to sign onto the computer, so a random ID check is completely unnecessary. Regardless, I think all schools have a policy that says you must have school ID on you at all times for identification. The security staff was ridiculous in the fact that they actually tried to enforce that policy in a computer lab which already has it's own safe guard (student ID login). If I were at my school's lab, and I had ID, and a security officer asked me for it, I would ask why, and if the reason was acceptable, I would show him. If I didnt have ID, and it was policy to have ID, I would leave and fight my battle outside of the computer lab through administration.

The security in this incident were morons on a power trip, but the kid in the video was an idiot in the way he handled the situation. He could have easily avoided getting tased and still filed a complaint against security like any civilized person would do.

Just a comment on the ID policy...
(Not saying this is the reason, nor am I saying it's ideal ... it's just another way to look at the ID policy.)

A student login ID does not validate that the user has a right to sit at the keyboard, only a right to use the system once logged in. If system login is the the only form of ID proof ... then a "student looking" person could walk in off the street and attempt to "hack" into the system localy.

From a security standpoint ... you'd want both. Login credentials and location credentials.

Are such multiple levels of security nessesary? That's certainly debatable. However the point stands, a login ID is not absolute proof that you should be sitting at the keyboard.

 

[zinfamous]

the student was clearly an idiot; but i think the bigger problem is that the security (cops are typically stupid; and i've had my share of dealings with cops/law enforcement to confirm this) had no clue what they were doing in the first place. the taser the guy, and are not trained at all (or were asleep/didn't care during training) to realize what effect the tasering would have on a human body. the intent being to paralize and incapacitate someone, demanding that someone stand afterwards is beyond oafish.

sadly, these security officials in know why helped to dispel the common assumption of those in law enforcement being the jocs/weaklings in high school with no friends bulking up and wanting nothing more than to wail on someone else--semi-legally. not all cops are like this; but those that i've encountered and the few that i know personally, are.

the student was a dick. the cops (or rent-a-cops) were even bigger dicks. if they worry about handcuffing/dragging out by force would lead to a lawsuit due to broken limbs...what do they think the result of excessive tasering will be? morons.

 

[VooDooAddict]

Originally posted by: zinfamous
the cops (or rent-a-cops) were even bigger dicks. if they worry about handcuffing/dragging out by force would lead to a lawsuit due to broken limbs...what do they think the result of excessive tasering will be? morons.

Has nothing to do with if they are morons (which one or more very well be). They may have been following established department policy. If it's policy to tazer someone till they comply with "Stand Up" or "Walk" orders, then they are not at fault (well not terribly liable anyway). They would be more personally liable if they used tactics that were not standard policy. If it's against the established policy to tazer people like that they should be severly reprimanded.

If however there is no department policy on handeling a situation like that ,I think they handled the sitatuion poorly. Unfortunetly, I think they aren't nearly as liable as if they violated policy.

In general I think the tazer is a great alternative for lethal force. Unfortunetly, as we see, it's so well designed that it's easy to administer in excessive ammounts.

 

[zylander]

Both parties were out of hand;

-He was already walking out. It the cops showed up 10 seconds later this whole thing would neve rhave happened.
-Tazering him that many times was way unnecessary, one was enough at the most. From the video, you can see three cops in the library, and a not so large kid laying on the floor, the cops could have EASILY dragged him out.
-Shouting "stand up" while they are tazering him? I dont think I need to say anything more about that.

Now onto the kid:

-If the person running the library asks to see your ID, ****** DO IT. They annonced that aftetr a certain time they would be randomly checking IDs.
-Oh, you think your ID was checked because of your race? GET OFF YOUR ****** HIGH HORSE!
-Later on when MSN released their statement with the kids lawyer. He pulled the race card, makes him look like even more of a jack ass.

Both parties, the cops and the kid were out of hand, and this whole thing could have easily been avoided many times over by both parties. Time to end this.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: Aimster
The guy claims he was singled out. Witness statements prove his claim.

They did not ask everyone for an ID. Just random people

If that happened to me I would tell them to f-off. Guess Id get tasered.

Why the hell do you need to check ID if the computers require university ID to log into the system? Looks like someone working there wanted to be an asshole.

The guy was using Night Powell which is a restricted version of the main library for after hours study. It also happens to have a computer lab available for the students to use but there are also plenty of students just in there for studying purposes. It's a random check as there are people coming in and out throughout the night. The CSOs are not permanently stationed at the Night Powell so checking every person's ID is probably unlikely. At best, they could change the system so that IDs are checked before entering but that is not the current policy so arguing that is pointless. The fact of the matter is that the student was asked for ID, originally claimed he didn't have it, saw his meal ticket and pulled the race card. Let's see what happens when you pull this same nonsense at an airport instead of a library. It won't be tasers pointed at you, it'll be a gun.

As long as the CSOs are checking people for IDs of different races and not purely singling out people who look of Middle Eastern descent, I don't see a problem with random checks. But yes, keep fighting the good fight. Always fight the system and never try to have an open mind.

 

[Dessert Tears]

News:

LA Times, Taser use limited at most UC campuses, Page 2
Also Tuesday, the lawyer Tabatabainejad hired last week, Stephen Yagman, said he was no longer representing the student.

Replies:

Originally posted by: Aimster
The guy claims he was singled out. Witness statements prove his claim.

They did not ask everyone for an ID. Just random people

Do you have a link? I'm sure that I read this somewhere before, but I can't find it.

Daily Bruin, Officer named in Taser incident
Tabatabainejad's attorney, Steven Yagman, who on Friday announced plans to file a suit against the university, said the student did not produce his BruinCard because he felt singled out during the identity check. It is not clear how many students were asked for identification, but witnesses said the Community Service Officers on duty spent several minutes checking, while other students in the CLICC Lab at Powell said they were not asked for their BruinCards.

The witness statements mentioned here support the assertion that the ID checks were random, not complete. However, they imply that MT was not the first or only student asked to present ID.

Originally posted by: zinfamous
the intent being to paralize and incapacitate someone, demanding that someone stand afterwards is beyond oafish.

Originally posted by: zylander
-Shouting "stand up" while they are tazering him? I dont think I need to say anything more about that.

Addressed by my previous posts:

Originally posted by: Flatscan
TIDSDNI = Taser in "drive stun" does not incapacitate

Originally posted by: Flatscan
My earlier post covers the Lancet article in more detail.

The Lancet, Effects of stun guns and tasers.(Commentary)(Brief Article), September 1, 2001
For example, electrodes 5 cm apart [as in a Taser in "drive stun" mode] applied directly over the vastus lateralis muscle [side of the thigh] does not inhibit voluntary function of the muscle during stimulation or afterwards....

The degree of sensation evoked by these devices can result in a response that far outlasts the duration of the current, so discharges of 3-5 s may leave the victim immobilised, dazed, and weak for 5-15 min.

Briefly: a Taser in "drive stun" does not affect motor function directly, but the pain it causes may daze or disorient the target.

Originally posted by: zinfamous
if they worry about handcuffing/dragging out by force would lead to a lawsuit due to broken limbs...what do they think the result of excessive tasering will be? morons.

Bruises and broken bones take time to heal. Pain from a "stun" stops immediately once the electrical discharge is stopped or removed. The worst physical injuries a "stun" generally causes are welts that disappear in under a week:

Originally posted by: Flatscan

Daily Bruin, Questions raised about safety, regulation of Tasers, November 17
On Tuesday, UCPD used the "drive stun" setting, which is one of two possible settings that can be used.

According to a report prepared by the Stanford Criminal Justice Center, the drive stun setting of a Taser is intended for "pain compliance" in close range.

The drive stun setting, in which police touch the device to a person's body, has less serious medical consequences than a regular Taser stun, in which a person is shot with two metal probes that pump electrical currents through the body.

But the report found that there can be "permanent ... dermatological impairments associated with the use of a Taser in (drive) stun mode." The report also emphasized that drive stun shocks are not fatal and the long-term physical implications are not serious.

"Permanent ... dermatological impairments" refers to scarring of the skin. Repeated "stuns" to one area sometimes cause welts or redness that generally heals in 1-7 days.

Originally posted by: zylander
-He was already walking out. It the cops showed up 10 seconds later this whole thing would neve rhave happened.

You are entitled to your opinion, but there is just as much factual information to support the theory that MT intentionally waited until the officers arrived to begin walking.

Originally posted by: zylander
-Tazering him that many times was way unnecessary, one was enough at the most. From the video, you can see three cops in the library, and a not so large kid laying on the floor, the cops could have EASILY dragged him out.

I posted earlier that safety dictates that all the officers should not carry MT together. Having at least one officer observing maintains their situational awareness and frees him to respond more quickly if needed.

Originally posted by: Flatscan
I've read that MT is 200lbs - not impossible to control, but a real pain to drag around for two officers. You can see the difficulty they're having as they get him through the doorway between 1:30 and 2:30.

LA Times, November 18 article
"He was 200 pounds and went limp and was very hard to manage. They were trying to get him on his feet," Young said.

 

[glutenberg]

Well written post Flatscan and probably the reason why Yagman is no longer representing the student. Main issue to resolve is if 5 stuns was necessary. In the end, both groups should be charged or penalized.

 

[newParadigm]

Originally posted by: alexjohnson16

Originally posted by: goog40
Seems like the guy was pretty much asking to get tasered (at least from the 2nd time on).

I was thinking that too, but its hard to know if he could stand up or not. Also, not sure if its true or not, but he was yelling about a medical condition. Could be panic attacks or something cause he was flipping out.

If i had been asked to leave a library at MY college, simply because I didn't have my ID, I might be reluctant as well. The student had already decided to leave, and WAS IN THE PROCCESS of doing so (i.e. walking towards the door). If I got tasered at that point, I might refuse to stand after th officers shocked my repeatedly.

He wasn't asking for it, the police were completely out of line. The kid WANTED to leave before they tasered him, I don't see why it was necessary in the first place, and then after that, he wasn't a threat at all. Refusing to obey a police officer (unless it is putting people in danger/is illegal) is not grounds for use of force.

 

[newParadigm]

Originally posted by: MisterJackson

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: MisterJackson

Originally posted by: KarmaPolice
at the end the cop syas go over there are you will be tazed too....can he do that...the guy was just asking a question.

See, retarded questions like that are why people like this get tasered and then cry about it later, all the while projecting their innocence "I was only asking him a question and the guy unfairly tasered me!".

In real life dude, if a cop tells you to do something, just do it, whether you like it or not. If you feel the need to argue your point with them then you simply deserve what you get because common sense dictates that even IF, and a big IF here, even if you are right once you argue with a cop he has more power and authority than you and will excercise it.

that's not power tripping per se, that's your dumbass not knowing when to shut your mouth.

The only thing the cops told him to do was to stand up.

no, they asked him to leave and he would not comply.

anyway, my post was in response to Karma Polices statement that the guy who walked up to the cop to ask a question while the other guy was being tased should have a right to do that and ask his question.

I disagree. In that situation you don't just walk up to a cop and start trying to talk to him, or get him to see your point of view, or ask him to stop.

That's a good way to get your own ass tased. A cop is trained that if they are in the process of detaining someone and other individuals aproach they are warned once to move back until the altercation is settled or force will be used on that individual.

The guy may have just wanted to ask an innocent question, that's not the point. the point is the cop has no way of knowing what the guys intentions are and will do all he can to keep control of the situation to keep it from getting any uglier.

I could easily have seen the scenario where the "question asking guy" got angry and put his hand on the cop, then the cop retaliates and that already aggitaded crowd turns to a mob.

Now if a cop is sitting there with a gun to someones head and clearly in the wrong threatening their life or something then yes, I'll intervene myself, even if it means I may get my ass beat or arrested.

I will stand up for someone if I know for fact they are being wronged.

The guy here was NOT being wronged.

And everyone siding with him just wants to sensationalize it and jump to conclusions about cops.

Cops are a necessary eveil sometimes. without them we'd be in a much worse place. Until you guys who complain about them can come up with a better solution I say just STFU.

The other guy had already been detained and dragged out of the door. He was not being detained. He was already in cuffs, and off the premises.

 

[newParadigm]

Originally posted by: Flatscan

Originally posted by: zylander
-He was already walking out. It the cops showed up 10 seconds later this whole thing would never have happened.

You are entitled to your opinion, but there is just as much factual information to support the theory that MT intentionally waited until the officers arrived to begin walking.

Does it really matter whether he waited until they arrived to begin walking? Either way, he would have been in the process of leaving when the officers were present. Meaning that there was no initial cause for the use of a taser.

Originally posted by: Flatscan

Originally posted by: zylander
-Tazering him that many times was way unnecessary, one was enough at the most. From the video, you can see three cops in the library, and a not so large kid laying on the floor, the cops could have EASILY dragged him out.

I posted earlier that safety dictates that all the officers should not carry MT together. Having at least one officer observing maintains their situational awareness and frees him to respond more quickly if needed.

Originally posted by: Flatscan
I've read that MT is 200lbs - not impossible to control, but a real pain to drag around for two officers. You can see the difficulty they're having as they get him through the doorway between 1:30 and 2:30.

LA Times, November 18 article
"He was 200 pounds and went limp and was very hard to manage. They were trying to get him on his feet," Young said.

Situational awareness of what exactly? The kid was incapacitated to the point that he couldn't walk, what situation is there for the officers to be aware of? Besides that of the group of students outraged at their brutality towards someone that was clearly not endangering anyone, or doing anything illegal at the time of the initial tazing.

Also, how does additional tazing to 'encourage' someone physically disabled by previous use of the same 'deterant' makie sense?

 

[Dessert Tears]

Originally posted by: glutenberg
Well written post Flatscan and probably the reason why Yagman is no longer representing the student. Main issue to resolve is if 5 stuns was necessary. In the end, both groups should be charged or penalized.

Thanks, I appreciate it. I somehow doubt that my posts scared off Yagman.

Originally posted by: newParadigm
If i had been asked to leave a library at MY college, simply because I didn't have my ID, I might be reluctant as well.... If I got tasered at that point, I might refuse [emphasis added] to stand after th officers shocked my repeatedly.

If your comparison is meant to be direct, it's invalid. Yagman (MT's former lawyer) stated that MT refused to present ID because he felt that he was being racially profiled.

Is your comparison meant to be direct? You say that you might refuse to stand, while you also say (quoted below) that MT was unable to stand.

Originally posted by: newParadigm

Originally posted by: MisterJackson
A cop is trained that if they are in the process of detaining someone and other individuals aproach they are warned once to move back until the altercation is settled or force will be used on that individual. [emphasis added by newParadigm; quote reduced by Flatscan]

The other guy had already been detained and dragged out of the door. He was not being detained. He was already in cuffs, and off the premises.

You are correct that MT had been removed by that point in the video. However, the situation is not completely resolved as there are a number of agitated students standing near the officers.

Originally posted by: Flatscan

Daily Bruin Video, 1:24
"Get back ... or you'll get tased too."

From approximately 4:55 onward, there is a student wearing a white shirt who is clearly agitated - gesticulating and shouting. He stands close to the officers throughout this period.

YouTube video, 6:35
O: Back up a little, back up.
[inaudible, white shirt and officer; white shirt gestures]
O: Get back over there or you're going to get tased too.
[white shirt steps back]

Originally posted by: newParadigm

Originally posted by: Flatscan

Originally posted by: zylander
-He was already walking out. It the cops showed up 10 seconds later this whole thing would never have happened.

You are entitled to your opinion, but there is just as much factual information to support the theory that MT intentionally waited until the officers arrived to begin walking. [emphasis added by newParadigm]

Does it really matter whether he waited until they arrived to begin walking? Either way, he would have been in the process of leaving when the officers were present. Meaning that there was no initial cause for the use of a taser.

My point is that none of this speculation is substantiated - neither zylander's nor my statement is supported by evidence. The confrontation and its lead-up occur prior to the start of recording, and the witness statements published lack necessary detail - what happened is simply not known to the public. I see and understand your reasoning, but claim that it jumps to a conclusion that is unreachable when based on publicly-available information.

Originally posted by: newParadigm

Originally posted by: Flatscan
I posted earlier that safety dictates that all the officers should not carry MT together. Having at least one officer observing maintains their situational awareness [emphasis added by newParadigm] and frees him to respond more quickly if needed.

Situational awareness of what exactly? The kid was incapacitated to the point that he couldn't walk, what situation is there for the officers to be aware of? Besides that of the group of students outraged at their brutality towards someone that was clearly not endangering anyone, or doing anything illegal at the time of the initial tazing.

Also, how does additional tazing to 'encourage' someone physically disabled by previous use of the same 'deterant' makie sense?

I don't quite understand how you responded to the second half of my post while apparently not reading the first half.

TIDSDNI = Taser in "drive stun" does not incapacitate

A Taser used in "drive stun" mode does not incapacitate, paralyze, physically disable, or disrupt motor function in its target. However, the pain it causes may daze or disorient the target.

As MT is not incapacitated, he is part of the situation that must be monitored. Even if he were incapacitated and restrained, he cannot be completely ignored. The other students form the remainder of the situation. Some of the students are recorded interfering with the officers throughout the incident, including before the first "stun."

Originally posted by: Flatscan
There is audio that suggests that a male student was interfering (unintelligible male voice, then officer "Don't get involved in this") even prior to the first "stun" applied at 0:30.

MT: I SAID I WOULD LEAVE! (1:05)
O: Take a step back - if you have complaints, you can bring them up later. (1 officer visible here)
MS: I want your badge numbers.
MS: Yeah! Can we get your badge number?
MS: I'd like your badge numbers.
MT: I got Tased for no reason, I was leaving this godforsaken place, you stopped me, you're abusing your power, here's your justice at work, university students.

The officers are occupied at this point, they're not visible, but the camera position changes around 1:30 so that you can see their positions, 2 bent over MT and 1 observing.

Once MT refused to either present ID or leave the library when asked by the CSOs, who are responsible for the space, he was technically trespassing.

 

[Eeezee]

"Video shot from a student's camera phone captured the student yelling, 'Here's your Patriot Act, here's your @#%#ing abuse of power,' while he struggled with the officers. "

This student was a retard and deserved to get tased. I hope they accidentally destroyed his ability to reproduce.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: alexjohnson16

Originally posted by: goog40
Seems like the guy was pretty much asking to get tasered (at least from the 2nd time on).

I was thinking that too, but its hard to know if he could stand up or not. Also, not sure if its true or not, but he was yelling about a medical condition. Could be panic attacks or something cause he was flipping out.

Or he might be a lying little prick. Shouting about the patriot act when the police are just doing their job is a good indication that he's an idiot, and lying about an undocumented medical condition is something an idiot would do.

 

[Eeezee]

The youtube video just confirms what I read out of the article, that kid deserved it. If the police start to escort you out of the building, DON'T START FIGHTING THEM AND SCREAMING LIKE AN IDIOT! It's just a computer lab, just leave.

Those police are really lucky that a riot didn't break out, they could have lost their lives. Threatening to use tasers on the crowd was the right choice, watching this video makes it look and sound pretty dangerous for the officers. The kid wasn't at risk of bodily harm, he just got tased twice.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Flatscan

Originally posted by: VooDooAddict
Nice.

From my impression of the video, before reading time logged transcripts it apeared that he was tazed multiple times then started swearing.

If you read my whole post, I'm not saying the cops were definetly in the wrong. Just saying from the video with no other information ... it looked quite bad for the cops.

Again though ... awsome response.

Thanks. I'm glad you appreciated my reply.

New articles on the Daily Bruin:
Officer named in Taser incident
Paired Viewpoint satire pieces: Trust me, I'm a Daily Bruin columnist: Column 1 Column 2

Column 1:
Much attention has been focused on a study that said Taser use of three to five seconds can cause temporary inability to move one's muscles for up to 15 minutes.

This means that if Tabatabainejad was stunned with the Taser for more than three seconds, he would have been physically unable to respond to the officers' commands to stand up.

Column 2:
The police were demanding that Tabatabainejad stand up, while simultaneously sending electricity through his nervous system, something that could paralyze him temporarily if the shocks were longer than three seconds.

While I appreciate the point of the "Trust me" pieces as being a recommendation to step back and avoid jumping to conclusions, it concerns me that the reference to the Lancet article is again done in misleading language.

My earlier post covers the Lancet article in more detail.

The Lancet, Effects of stun guns and tasers.(Commentary)(Brief Article), September 1, 2001
For example, electrodes 5 cm apart [as in a Taser in "drive stun" mode] applied directly over the vastus lateralis muscle [side of the thigh] does not inhibit voluntary function of the muscle during stimulation or afterwards....

The degree of sensation evoked by these devices can result in a response that far outlasts the duration of the current, so discharges of 3-5 s may leave the victim immobilised, dazed, and weak for 5-15 min.

Briefly: a Taser in "drive stun" does not affect motor function directly, but the pain it causes may daze or disorient the target.

You saw the video yourself, the tasing definitely didn't last even more than 2 seconds. It's hard to tase someone for even more than 1 second, the body immediately reacts. You have to be holding them against the taser to do something like that.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: Aimster
The guy claims he was singled out. Witness statements prove his claim.

They did not ask everyone for an ID. Just random people

If that happened to me I would tell them to f-off. Guess Id get tasered.

Why the hell do you need to check ID if the computers require university ID to log into the system? Looks like someone working there wanted to be an asshole.

Thats a good point. At University computer labs, you need a student ID and password to sign onto the computer, so a random ID check is completely unnecessary. Regardless, I think all schools have a policy that says you must have school ID on you at all times for identification. The security staff was ridiculous in the fact that they actually tried to enforce that policy in a computer lab which already has it's own safe guard (student ID login). If I were at my school's lab, and I had ID, and a security officer asked me for it, I would ask why, and if the reason was acceptable, I would show him. If I didnt have ID, and it was policy to have ID, I would leave and fight my battle outside of the computer lab through administration.

The security in this incident were morons on a power trip, but the kid in the video was an idiot in the way he handled the situation. He could have easily avoided getting tased and still filed a complaint against security like any civilized person would do.

For the record, my university does not require a student ID and password to sign onto the computer. I just assumed that UCLA's campus does not require them either. Rarely are we checked for ID.

 

[gwarbot]

fvck the system, the only way to beat the system is to be in the system.

 

[OVerLoRDI]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
BREAKING NEWS
BREAKING NEWS
BREAKING NEWS

Even if you are right about something and the police are wrong, LISTEN TO THEM WHEN THEY TELL YOU TO LEAVE. Don't start crying like a little bitch about the Patriot Act, get the hell up and LEAVE AND LISTEN TO THEM!

Now if everyone followed those rules these types of events wouldn't be discussed.

QFT. I am so sick of things like this and those little bitchy kids asking for badge numbers and what not. From what I read here the guy did have an ID and refused to leave when asked by the police. The police were completely with in their rights to do what they did. The little ****** had it coming.

 

[BudAshes]

wow im amazed people are trying to justify what the cops did. Seriously, wtf...

 

[Dessert Tears]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: alexjohnson16
I was thinking that too, but its hard to know if he could stand up or not. Also, not sure if its true or not, but he was yelling about a medical condition. Could be panic attacks or something cause he was flipping out.

Or he might be a lying little prick. Shouting about the patriot act when the police are just doing their job is a good indication that he's an idiot, and lying about an undocumented medical condition is something an idiot would do.

Not to draw any conclusions about MT's credibility, but his "medical condition" has not been corroborated in any article that I've seen. If anyone has a link to an article that does, it would be appreciated.

Originally posted by: Eeezee
The kid wasn't at risk of bodily harm, he just got tased twice.

The count given by Yagman (MT's former lawyer) is 5 times. This count has been widely reported and has not been disputed by the UCPD.

Originally posted by: Eeezee
You saw the video yourself, the tasing definitely didn't last even more than 2 seconds. It's hard to tase someone for even more than 1 second, the body immediately reacts. You have to be holding them against the taser to do something like that.

Considering the quality of the video, it's not possible to accurately determine the duration of each "stun." Except for the second stun, where the electrical discharge itself is audible, the stuns are implied by MT's screaming. MT's screams during the first stun last from 0:30 to 0:35 - 4-5 seconds. However, MT's screams do not conclusively prove that a stun is being applied.

 

[kmmatney]

While I think the cops went overboard, why did the student not have his Bruin card? I carried mine around everywhere, and that was over 10 years ago, well before it was required to be anywhere at night. You just keep it in your wallet, and its always with you - end of story.

There should also be a way for the student to give his name and ID number, and the student officer can walkie-talkie the info and confirm. If he didn't know his number, then he's a lame-ass - I still know mine 10 tears later.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: kmmatney
While I think the cops went overboard, why did the student not have his Bruin card? I carried mine around everywhere, and that was over 10 years ago, well before it was required to be anywhere at night. You just keep it in your wallet, and its always with you - end of story.

There should also be a way for the student to give his name and ID number, and the student officer can walkie-talkie the info and confirm. If he didn't know his number, then he's a lame-ass - I still know mine 10 tears later.

I have my UCLA ID saved in Outlook somewhere. Oh wait. I rejected that school. Anyways... yea I always have my Cal ID, but there have been times where I forgot. Especially if you use your card for swipes in the cafe/DC or whatever, you might take it out. Now I never take it out simply because the only thing I use it for is a bus pass/library entrance card/keycard access, so its ALWAYS in my wallet...

 

[pg22]

Funny, I rejected Berkeley for UCLA.