Guy at UCLA computer lab gets tasered (now with youtube video!!)

[ForumMaster]

that was unjustified. the student should sue. he going out quietly so why did they grab his hand? and the police have no right to threaten anyone.

 

[Andyb23]

Originally posted by: maziwanka
i'm shocked at some of these responses. the "price" of his resistance is being handcuffed and jailed, not being tazered repeatedly.

how the fvck can you honestly believe that the police have some uninhibited right to tell you what to do and then to use VIOLENCE when you don't comply.

Its because their tools.

Man some of you people must have avatars of policemen that you pray to everyday.

 

[maziwanka]

Originally posted by: swimscubasteve

Originally posted by: maziwanka
im shocked that some of you people think that when a cop demands you to do something and you don't comply he can physically assault you. he can arrest you and that's all that should have been done. his actions in no way warranted tazering and certainly not FIVE tazers. un-fvcking-believable. i hope the school gets royally sued.

Where do people get these ideas!?!

HELLO!! It's called state law! If you don't listen to a cop when he tells you to do something he has full legal authority to "assault" you.

DUHHH!!

you have got to be sh1tting me.

i dont think i can even justify this response with a counter.

 

[Andyb23]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: maziwanka
i'm shocked at some of these responses. the "price" of his resistance is being handcuffed and jailed, not being tazered repeatedly.

how the fvck can you honestly believe that the police have some uninhibited right to tell you what to do and then to use VIOLENCE when you don't comply.

The kid was out of control. It was legitimate use of the tazer.

You're out of control dude. And I'm ashamed ur from the northeast.

This is disgusting.

Bystanders were asking the police to stop and they were threatened by taser.

 

[randomlinh]

it's hard to tell from the video, but it does seem like the initial zap was warranted. Even if the police officer grabs you, it's generally not a good idea to fight back.. and you're in a public library.. plenty of witnesses for later.

after that tho.. I don't know why they kept zapping him as he was just lying there. just drag his ass over concrete, he'll get up right quick.

 

[maziwanka]

the point is that the response the police take to resistance has to be proportionate to the kind of resistance taking place.

AND, i'll say this again and again: some of these postings are unbelievably ridiculous; the kind of power you want to give to the police is unreal.

 

[randal]

After you are tased, you don't just "Stand up" ... you whole body goes rigid and muscle control ceases. There is a reason that police officers use tasers to subdue people - it makes them unable to resist arrest, aka get up and run away?

I am stunned that they would taser the crap out of him multiple times - and not for a second, but for 4-5 seconds, repeatedly - and then expect him to be able to move.

I'm as pro-police and pro-law enforcement as I can be, but this is over the top.

 

[George P Burdell]

LOL @ comment on Digg:

"Don't be caught without your papers, or the Gestapo will take you away."

 

[Andyb23]

Originally posted by: maziwanka
the point is that the response the police take to resistance has to be proportionate to the kind of resistance taking place.

AND, i'll say this again and again: some of these postings are unbelievably ridiculous; the kind of power you want to give to the police is unreal.

Again what do you expect. This board is known for this kind of thing -

Racism, loving authority etc. etc.

Just look at all the people who love the mod and put his ramblings in their sig.

 

[maziwanka]

Originally posted by: George P Burdell
LOL @ comment on Digg:

"Don't be caught without your papers, or the Gestapo will take you away."

hahahaha

 

[broon]

Originally posted by: Andyb23
You're out of control dude. And I'm ashamed ur from the northeast.

This is disgusting.

Bystanders were asking the police to stop and they were threatened by taser.

Three cops and all those students? Don't you think the cops might have felt threatened by some of the other students?

As for that kind of tasing...no reason he couldn't have stood up afterwards. They chose it for that reason. The kid shouldn't have behaved that way.

 

[Ninjja]

what freaking d1cks! This is a prime example of abuse of authority - when you give people who don't know how to handle themselves too much.

 

[Andyb23]

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: Andyb23
You're out of control dude. And I'm ashamed ur from the northeast.

This is disgusting.

Bystanders were asking the police to stop and they were threatened by taser.

Three cops and all those students? Don't you think the cops might have felt threatened by some of the other students?

As for that kind of tasing...no reason he couldn't have stood up afterwards. They chose it for that reason. The kid shouldn't have behaved that way.

Yea students assaulting cops thats really happened... /roll

I guess they don't teach you well down in Missourah

 

[Ninjja]

Originally posted by: KB
Damn california liberal college students.

He deserved to be tasered. I would have tasered him for just talking so loud.

confirmed idiot.

 

[swimscubasteve]

Originally posted by: randal
After you are tased, you don't just "Stand up" ... you whole body goes rigid and muscle control ceases. There is a reason that police officers use tasers to subdue people - it makes them unable to resist arrest, aka get up and run away?

I am stunned that they would taser the crap out of him multiple times - and not for a second, but for 4-5 seconds, repeatedly - and then expect him to be able to move.

I'm as pro-police and pro-law enforcement as I can be, but this is over the top.

Actually, 99.9% of the time you do just have the ability to stand up. I've been tasered and seen it done to countless others. I don't know of one time that the person being tased wasn't fully mobile in 2-3 seconds.

 

[swimscubasteve]

Here is a pertinent article that people might find informative.
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November 13, 2006
Police Force, in Color
by Greg Meyer

The Hollywood Division officers "caught on tape" in a use of force incident provide the latest example of public outrage over police use of force. Although the public and the media want immediate answers, it will be awhile before anyone can provide an objective analysis of the entire event.

The increasing proliferation of video cameras guarantees that more and more police incidents will be captured. So it seems to me to be useful to attempt to provide some context about how such incidents are analyzed. For the past 17 years, I've worked as an expert witness on civil and criminal use of force cases around this country, usually in favor of the police, sometimes not, and some with video, some not.

The truth almost always lies deeper than the video.

Many are tempted to pass judgment on the basis of a shocking video. "It speaks for itself, the police beat this guy for no reason," many would say (and have already said in this case). We have the usual outraged headlines and outraged Southern California ACLU judgment before the facts are in, and we have the usual outraged attorney with dollar signs rolling in his eyes. All of that is par for the course.

Regardless of the eventual analysis when all the facts are included, there are a few glaringly obvious facts about this video.

First of all, there is not just one video. There are three videos of this incident posted on YouTube. One is 19 seconds long. One is five seconds long. One is one second short. They each capture a different part of the incident.

The videos were captured via someone's cellphone camcorder. You should wonder (I do) about why the two shorter videos published on YouTube are so short. And you should wonder why the longer video suddenly stopped just as the suspect's right hand was approaching the gun holster of one of the officers. Were the videos edited to someone's advantage? Or was it just the luck of the draw and the vagaries of an amateur pushing buttons on the cellphone? We would all be better off if entire incidents were captured, but we rarely have that luxury. Still, it's important to note that such videos don't capture the point of view of the officer involved in the heat of the incident.

Second, newspapers have published excerpts of the officers' own report of the arrest, in which they admit hitting the suspect in the head after describing the suspect's alleged resistance to arrest. It's very clear watching these videos that the officers are attempting to handcuff the suspect (one cuff is already on one wrist), but the suspect is not allowing that to happen.

Third, it is very interesting that the court commissioner who looked at the video (which was recorded in August) refused to dismiss the criminal case against the suspect, and stated, "The issue here is not whether the officers had to use force. The question is whether or not the defendant used force in resisting the lawful arrest, and I find that he did resist, using force."

The fact-finding missions by the internal affairs processes of the Los Angeles Police Department will play out, as will the investigation by the FBI, as will the criminal court case involving the suspect, as will the suspect's forthcoming lawsuit. It will be quite awhile before all the facts and opinions are in about whether the officers acted reasonably or not.

Use of force by police in this country for the past 17 years has been judged by Graham v. Connor [490 U.S. 386, 109 S.Ct. 1865 (1989)]. Very few citizens have had the opportunity to sit in judgment, whether criminal or civil, in police use of force cases. There aren't that many criminal cases brought (cops, after all, are the only ones that society gives authority to use force proactively), and the civil suits are most often settled or dismissed before trial.

When there is a trial, what jurors wrestle with are the requirements set forth by the Graham case. When police must use force, the Court says, the force must be "objectively reasonable" with respect to the facts and circumstances the officer is facing, and without 20/20 hindsight.

The court decided that, "The ?reasonableness' of a particular use of force must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, and its calculus must embody an allowance for the fact that police officers are often forced to make split-second decisions about the amount of force necessary in a particular situation." Also what must be considered are the severity of the crime, the immediate threat to the safety of the officers or others, whether the suspect is resisting arrest or attempting to evade arrest by flight.

The list of facts to be considered is lengthy, but its highlights include: the number of suspects and officers involved; the size, age and condition of the suspect; the known or perceived fighting ability of the suspect; the duration of the action; the experience level of the officers; the distance from the officers to the suspect; and the weapons (including the officers weapons) in the immediate vicinity of the suspect.

Law enforcement officers are unique in society because they are permitted by law to use physical force to compel others to do their bidding. Officers intervene in a variety of urgent, unpredictable situations, and their mission is to keep the peace or to restore it. This awesome power must be wielded sparingly in a democratic society. The public rightly holds public administrators, including police officials, responsive to public preferences and demands. When officers use force they must do so to control a situation, not to punish an offender.

Use of force by police naturally upsets onlookers across the street as well as viewers of the six o'clock news. Conditioned by fictional media depictions of sanitized violence on one hand and fantastic "megaviolence" on the other, most people have no frame of reference other than personal emotions to evaluate an incident. The average viewer has little or no experience with real violence and the chaos that typically surrounds it.

People tend not to understand even legitimate use-of-force incident dynamics; people are repulsed when they see force applied to a fellow human being. But force is used in relatively small percentages of police confrontations, and people should not be surprised or offended that police must occasionally use force.

Los Angeles Police Chief William Bratton and Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa are right to express concern about the Hollywood incident because the incident is obviously of concern to the public. But the Chief and the Mayor are also right to withhold judgment until the various investigations play out.

The public?and the media?would do well to listen to them.

__________________________________________________ ____________

Greg Meyer retired in May as a captain at the Los Angeles Police Academy. He is a member of the National Advisory Board of the Force Science Research Center, and a speaker and expert witness throughout the country on law enforcement use of force.

 

[Andyb23]

Originally posted by: Ninjja

Originally posted by: KB
Damn california liberal college students.

He deserved to be tasered. I would have tasered him for just talking so loud.

confirmed idiot.

Seconded my brother from Jersey

 

[uhohs]

Originally posted by: Ninjja
what freaking d1cks! This is a prime example of abuse of authority - when you give people who don't know how to handle themselves too much.

oh ironies. stop being a douche resisting arrest, pouting on the floor like a baby screaming obscenities and you won't be tazered

 

[Andyb23]

Let me guess swimcubasteve is pi-... er cop.

 

[Canai]

This just sickens me. Poor kid. Even if he was 'resisting' or being a douche, he didn't deserve five taserings.

Am I wrong or are tasers supposed to knock you down so the cops can cuff you?

Why did they not cuff him while he was limp on the ground? Is that not protocol? Get the suspect under control so he can be restrained?

Those cops should be fired.

 

[uberman]

Originally posted by: DLeRium
why don't they just pick him up and take him out of there?

That's what the officers should have done.
To use a tazer was ridiculous. Cops repeatedly defend tazer use by saying otherwise they'd use a gun.

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: Andyb23

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: maziwanka
i'm shocked at some of these responses. the "price" of his resistance is being handcuffed and jailed, not being tazered repeatedly.

how the fvck can you honestly believe that the police have some uninhibited right to tell you what to do and then to use VIOLENCE when you don't comply.

The kid was out of control. It was legitimate use of the tazer.

You're out of control dude. And I'm ashamed ur from the northeast.

This is disgusting.

Bystanders were asking the police to stop and they were threatened by taser.

Why don't you cry about it, little baby?

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: Andyb23

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: maziwanka
i'm shocked at some of these responses. the "price" of his resistance is being handcuffed and jailed, not being tazered repeatedly.

how the fvck can you honestly believe that the police have some uninhibited right to tell you what to do and then to use VIOLENCE when you don't comply.

The kid was out of control. It was legitimate use of the tazer.

You're out of control dude. And I'm ashamed ur from the northeast.

This is disgusting.

Bystanders were asking the police to stop and they were threatened by taser.

Why don't you cry about it, little baby?

Is that really necessary?

 

[broon]

Originally posted by: Andyb23
Yea students assaulting cops thats really happened... /roll

It's not unreasonable for the police to make the assumption that the students are capable of rioting. I wouldn't be surprised if it happened.

Originally posted by: Andyb23
I guess they don't teach you well down in Missourah

The best you can do is try to make fun of where I live? Grow up.

 

[cessna152]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: Andyb23

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: maziwanka
i'm shocked at some of these responses. the "price" of his resistance is being handcuffed and jailed, not being tazered repeatedly.

how the fvck can you honestly believe that the police have some uninhibited right to tell you what to do and then to use VIOLENCE when you don't comply.

The kid was out of control. It was legitimate use of the tazer.

You're out of control dude. And I'm ashamed ur from the northeast.

This is disgusting.

Bystanders were asking the police to stop and they were threatened by taser.

Why don't you cry about it, little baby?

Is that really necessary?

Comply, or I'll taze you.