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Glavinsolo

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So did you bring over a box of your special movies to just leave with him?

I have a sudden urge to sing, " Aquarius/Let The Sunshine In "
 

Turkish

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Originally posted by: shimsham
They stop for and she tells him he needs to be a man and finish the job. That was when he said he really lost it and started having a breakdown. Said he got up and started to get dressed but couldn't because he was so dizzy from being upset. Said she told him that he was a little bitch and to get the fvck out of her place. That is when he left and somehow made it home. He still isn't 100% sure how he even got home.

damn. id have a break down also if a woman had to say that to me cause i was crying while getting some.


sad.

lmao
 

Locut0s

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Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Sexuality and sexual drive are two distinctly different things. When you grow up a little more, you may realize this. Or not and continue to be an insensitive jacka$$.

The clues are in the first few lines of this story. the first being... " sheltered life" The second... "Calling Mom...."
Dude never had the apron strings cut, has a poor self image, and an unrealistic view of the " Cold Hard World".
And the additional stereotyping you engaged him in did not address the underlying issue of Repression of Testosterone Based Behavior in Young Males in the Late 20th, Early 21st Century.
This rejection / modification of young male behaviors has this as it's eventual consequence. Boy's NEED to play rough just as girls NEED to play "House". It's part of the DNA coding we are trying to foolishly re-program.
I say the guy needs a true MALE Role Model / friend and your GF thought you might be that guy. Instead, you chose to be as adolescent about it as you could be, finding humor in anothers miery and THAT is what has upset her.
You failed her and you failed him, and she will probably always remember that failing.

Empathy would be better than Symapthy here. Try thinking of how you might feel were the situation reversed. Imagine how that question of "Are you 'gay'" would play out if your every waking moment were filled with confusion on the urges the guy feels versus the constant barrage of social messages of "no woman wants to be forced upon, let it develop naturally, "no means no", save it for marriage, etc. etc."

I say dude is messed up and Mom probably has herself as the root cause.
Poor guy.

Blah, blah, blame society and his mom, blah, blah, blah. Odd how his brothers and sisters ended up normal but he is a total mess. Dontcha think?

No. Just because some people manage OK in a family environment doesn't mean everyone will. This guy has obviously led an extremely sheltered life. Now for some people with good coping skills growing up in a family like that won't necessarily change them dramatically, they will merely have a little harder time adjusting to life. I have also led a very sheltered existence and I'm also an older virgin, 23, so I can relate to that guy though I'd like to think my coping skills are better. This is not the only type of environment that can mess people up. My cousins live in an EXTREMELY family oriented family where everyone plays their stereotypical "happy upper class North American" family roles. Watching them is like seeing a drippy movie of what a good family should be. But it's also a very smothering environment. I can tell you that I could not stand being in an environment like that for long. And I'm sure they would say the same thing of other families. It all depends on your emotional make up and the type of emotional environment you grew up in.

And like others have said I see nothing in this that strongly suggests he is gay. There are plenty of repressed homosexuals who have trouble coming to terms with their sexuality, but they don't necessarily exhibit these problems. The fact that you think "gay" means 'namby-pamby can't face the world' seems to me to suggest that you know any gay people. I've encountered numerous gay individuals who have better emotional coping skills than your average straight guy. If anything better skills.
 

AlienCraft

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Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Sexuality and sexual drive are two distinctly different things. When you grow up a little more, you may realize this. Or not and continue to be an insensitive jacka$$.

The clues are in the first few lines of this story. the first being... " sheltered life" The second... "Calling Mom...."
Dude never had the apron strings cut, has a poor self image, and an unrealistic view of the " Cold Hard World".
And the additional stereotyping you engaged him in did not address the underlying issue of Repression of Testosterone Based Behavior in Young Males in the Late 20th, Early 21st Century.
This rejection / modification of young male behaviors has this as it's eventual consequence. Boy's NEED to play rough just as girls NEED to play "House". It's part of the DNA coding we are trying to foolishly re-program.
I say the guy needs a true MALE Role Model / friend and your GF thought you might be that guy. Instead, you chose to be as adolescent about it as you could be, finding humor in anothers miery and THAT is what has upset her.
You failed her and you failed him, and she will probably always remember that failing.

Empathy would be better than Symapthy here. Try thinking of how you might feel were the situation reversed. Imagine how that question of "Are you 'gay'" would play out if your every waking moment were filled with confusion on the urges the guy feels versus the constant barrage of social messages of "no woman wants to be forced upon, let it develop naturally, "no means no", save it for marriage, etc. etc."

I say dude is messed up and Mom probably has herself as the root cause.
Poor guy.
Blah, blah, blame society and his mom, blah, blah, blah. Odd how his brothers and sisters ended up normal but he is a total mess. Dontcha think?

Not at all. Everyone of us respond in different ways to the same external influences. We even perceive the same event in different ways. This is why "eyewitness" testimony is often flawed.
Even genetically based disorders can be present in one sibling and not another.
What is so hard to see about that? You cannot dispute the fact that since the inception of the modern "Women's Movement" there has been a concerted effort to label typical young male behavior as "undesirable" inspite of the fact that these very behaviors are part of the natural order. The bahviors that are substituted are feminine in their basis and cause sexual identity confusion in males as they try to reconcile natural urges of aggresive, testosterone based behaviors with an artifical social construct.
 

DaShen

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Anyone get a picture of the character in Punch, Drunk, Love when you talk about this guy?
 

shimsham

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Originally posted by: Locut0s
Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Sexuality and sexual drive are two distinctly different things. When you grow up a little more, you may realize this. Or not and continue to be an insensitive jacka$$.

The clues are in the first few lines of this story. the first being... " sheltered life" The second... "Calling Mom...."
Dude never had the apron strings cut, has a poor self image, and an unrealistic view of the " Cold Hard World".
And the additional stereotyping you engaged him in did not address the underlying issue of Repression of Testosterone Based Behavior in Young Males in the Late 20th, Early 21st Century.
This rejection / modification of young male behaviors has this as it's eventual consequence. Boy's NEED to play rough just as girls NEED to play "House". It's part of the DNA coding we are trying to foolishly re-program.
I say the guy needs a true MALE Role Model / friend and your GF thought you might be that guy. Instead, you chose to be as adolescent about it as you could be, finding humor in anothers miery and THAT is what has upset her.
You failed her and you failed him, and she will probably always remember that failing.

Empathy would be better than Symapthy here. Try thinking of how you might feel were the situation reversed. Imagine how that question of "Are you 'gay'" would play out if your every waking moment were filled with confusion on the urges the guy feels versus the constant barrage of social messages of "no woman wants to be forced upon, let it develop naturally, "no means no", save it for marriage, etc. etc."

I say dude is messed up and Mom probably has herself as the root cause.
Poor guy.

Blah, blah, blame society and his mom, blah, blah, blah. Odd how his brothers and sisters ended up normal but he is a total mess. Dontcha think?

No. Just because some people manage OK in a family environment doesn't mean everyone will. This guy has obviously led an extremely sheltered life. Now for some people with good coping skills growing up in a family like that won't necessarily change them dramatically, they will merely have a little harder time adjusting to life. I have also led a very sheltered existence and I'm also an older virgin, 23, so I can relate to that guy though I'd like to think my coping skills are better. This is not the only type of environment that can mess people up. My cousins live in an EXTREMELY family oriented family where everyone plays their stereotypical "happy upper class North American" family roles. Watching them is like seeing a drippy movie of what a good family should be. But it's also a very smothering environment. I can tell you that I could not stand being in an environment like that for long. And I'm sure they would say the same thing of other families. It all depends on your emotional make up and the type of emotional environment you grew up in.

And like others have said I see nothing in this that strongly suggests he is gay. There are plenty of repressed homosexuals who have trouble coming to terms with their sexuality, but they don't necessarily exhibit these problems. The fact that you think "gay" means 'namby-pamby can't face the world' seems to me to suggest that you know any gay people. I've encountered numerous gay individuals who have better emotional coping skills than your average straight guy. If anything better skills.



extremely sheltered? hes out drinking in bars and going home with chicks for christ sake. doesnt sound sheltered to me, but that he knows exactly whats going on.
 

Locut0s

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Originally posted by: shimsham
Originally posted by: Locut0s
Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Sexuality and sexual drive are two distinctly different things. When you grow up a little more, you may realize this. Or not and continue to be an insensitive jacka$$.

The clues are in the first few lines of this story. the first being... " sheltered life" The second... "Calling Mom...."
Dude never had the apron strings cut, has a poor self image, and an unrealistic view of the " Cold Hard World".
And the additional stereotyping you engaged him in did not address the underlying issue of Repression of Testosterone Based Behavior in Young Males in the Late 20th, Early 21st Century.
This rejection / modification of young male behaviors has this as it's eventual consequence. Boy's NEED to play rough just as girls NEED to play "House". It's part of the DNA coding we are trying to foolishly re-program.
I say the guy needs a true MALE Role Model / friend and your GF thought you might be that guy. Instead, you chose to be as adolescent about it as you could be, finding humor in anothers miery and THAT is what has upset her.
You failed her and you failed him, and she will probably always remember that failing.

Empathy would be better than Symapthy here. Try thinking of how you might feel were the situation reversed. Imagine how that question of "Are you 'gay'" would play out if your every waking moment were filled with confusion on the urges the guy feels versus the constant barrage of social messages of "no woman wants to be forced upon, let it develop naturally, "no means no", save it for marriage, etc. etc."

I say dude is messed up and Mom probably has herself as the root cause.
Poor guy.

Blah, blah, blame society and his mom, blah, blah, blah. Odd how his brothers and sisters ended up normal but he is a total mess. Dontcha think?

No. Just because some people manage OK in a family environment doesn't mean everyone will. This guy has obviously led an extremely sheltered life. Now for some people with good coping skills growing up in a family like that won't necessarily change them dramatically, they will merely have a little harder time adjusting to life. I have also led a very sheltered existence and I'm also an older virgin, 23, so I can relate to that guy though I'd like to think my coping skills are better. This is not the only type of environment that can mess people up. My cousins live in an EXTREMELY family oriented family where everyone plays their stereotypical "happy upper class North American" family roles. Watching them is like seeing a drippy movie of what a good family should be. But it's also a very smothering environment. I can tell you that I could not stand being in an environment like that for long. And I'm sure they would say the same thing of other families. It all depends on your emotional make up and the type of emotional environment you grew up in.

And like others have said I see nothing in this that strongly suggests he is gay. There are plenty of repressed homosexuals who have trouble coming to terms with their sexuality, but they don't necessarily exhibit these problems. The fact that you think "gay" means 'namby-pamby can't face the world' seems to me to suggest that you know any gay people. I've encountered numerous gay individuals who have better emotional coping skills than your average straight guy. If anything better skills.



extremely sheltered? hes out drinking in bars and going home with chicks for christ sake. doesnt sound sheltered to me, but that he knows exactly whats going on.

Uhh...I said led not leads. If you would have read what I wrote it would be obvious that I was saying that his current problems stem from a mix of his emotional makeup and his upbringing. That has nothing to do with his current actions.

 

Medicine Bear

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Originally posted by: Locut0s
Originally posted by: shimsham
Originally posted by: Locut0s
Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Sexuality and sexual drive are two distinctly different things. When you grow up a little more, you may realize this. Or not and continue to be an insensitive jacka$$.

The clues are in the first few lines of this story. the first being... " sheltered life" The second... "Calling Mom...."
Dude never had the apron strings cut, has a poor self image, and an unrealistic view of the " Cold Hard World".
And the additional stereotyping you engaged him in did not address the underlying issue of Repression of Testosterone Based Behavior in Young Males in the Late 20th, Early 21st Century.
This rejection / modification of young male behaviors has this as it's eventual consequence. Boy's NEED to play rough just as girls NEED to play "House". It's part of the DNA coding we are trying to foolishly re-program.
I say the guy needs a true MALE Role Model / friend and your GF thought you might be that guy. Instead, you chose to be as adolescent about it as you could be, finding humor in anothers miery and THAT is what has upset her.
You failed her and you failed him, and she will probably always remember that failing.

Empathy would be better than Symapthy here. Try thinking of how you might feel were the situation reversed. Imagine how that question of "Are you 'gay'" would play out if your every waking moment were filled with confusion on the urges the guy feels versus the constant barrage of social messages of "no woman wants to be forced upon, let it develop naturally, "no means no", save it for marriage, etc. etc."

I say dude is messed up and Mom probably has herself as the root cause.
Poor guy.

Blah, blah, blame society and his mom, blah, blah, blah. Odd how his brothers and sisters ended up normal but he is a total mess. Dontcha think?

No. Just because some people manage OK in a family environment doesn't mean everyone will. This guy has obviously led an extremely sheltered life. Now for some people with good coping skills growing up in a family like that won't necessarily change them dramatically, they will merely have a little harder time adjusting to life. I have also led a very sheltered existence and I'm also an older virgin, 23, so I can relate to that guy though I'd like to think my coping skills are better. This is not the only type of environment that can mess people up. My cousins live in an EXTREMELY family oriented family where everyone plays their stereotypical "happy upper class North American" family roles. Watching them is like seeing a drippy movie of what a good family should be. But it's also a very smothering environment. I can tell you that I could not stand being in an environment like that for long. And I'm sure they would say the same thing of other families. It all depends on your emotional make up and the type of emotional environment you grew up in.

And like others have said I see nothing in this that strongly suggests he is gay. There are plenty of repressed homosexuals who have trouble coming to terms with their sexuality, but they don't necessarily exhibit these problems. The fact that you think "gay" means 'namby-pamby can't face the world' seems to me to suggest that you know any gay people. I've encountered numerous gay individuals who have better emotional coping skills than your average straight guy. If anything better skills.



extremely sheltered? hes out drinking in bars and going home with chicks for christ sake. doesnt sound sheltered to me, but that he knows exactly whats going on.

Uhh...I said led not leads. If you would have read what I wrote it would be obvious that I was saying that his current problems stem from a mix of his emotional makeup and his upbringing. That has nothing to do with his current actions.
From talking to my fiancee last night about this it seems he didn't lead the "sheltered life" I initially thought. According to her his parents were always supportive of things he wanted to try or do. He wanted to play baseball so they let him, didn't like it and quit. Same goes for football. He did do gymnastics and had interaction with people that way all through high school. He was also in several clubs and organizations in high school and wasn't some little nerd that never talked to anyone. By all accounts he was a normal kid. Heck if you met him today, well maybe not today, you would think he was normal. A bit odd, but normal. Sure he isn't a party animal, but neither is he a wallflower.
 

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I bet he grew up in a fanatic household that subscribes to of one of the obedience-through-guilt religions also known as Christianity, Judaism and Islam.
 

AlienCraft

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Originally posted by: shimsham
Originally posted by: Locut0s
Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Sexuality and sexual drive are two distinctly different things. When you grow up a little more, you may realize this. Or not and continue to be an insensitive jacka$$.

The clues are in the first few lines of this story. the first being... " sheltered life" The second... "Calling Mom...."
Dude never had the apron strings cut, has a poor self image, and an unrealistic view of the " Cold Hard World".
And the additional stereotyping you engaged him in did not address the underlying issue of Repression of Testosterone Based Behavior in Young Males in the Late 20th, Early 21st Century.
This rejection / modification of young male behaviors has this as it's eventual consequence. Boy's NEED to play rough just as girls NEED to play "House". It's part of the DNA coding we are trying to foolishly re-program.
I say the guy needs a true MALE Role Model / friend and your GF thought you might be that guy. Instead, you chose to be as adolescent about it as you could be, finding humor in anothers miery and THAT is what has upset her.
You failed her and you failed him, and she will probably always remember that failing.

Empathy would be better than Symapthy here. Try thinking of how you might feel were the situation reversed. Imagine how that question of "Are you 'gay'" would play out if your every waking moment were filled with confusion on the urges the guy feels versus the constant barrage of social messages of "no woman wants to be forced upon, let it develop naturally, "no means no", save it for marriage, etc. etc."

I say dude is messed up and Mom probably has herself as the root cause.
Poor guy.

Blah, blah, blame society and his mom, blah, blah, blah. Odd how his brothers and sisters ended up normal but he is a total mess. Dontcha think?

No. Just because some people manage OK in a family environment doesn't mean everyone will. This guy has obviously led an extremely sheltered life. Now for some people with good coping skills growing up in a family like that won't necessarily change them dramatically, they will merely have a little harder time adjusting to life. I have also led a very sheltered existence and I'm also an older virgin, 23, so I can relate to that guy though I'd like to think my coping skills are better. This is not the only type of environment that can mess people up. My cousins live in an EXTREMELY family oriented family where everyone plays their stereotypical "happy upper class North American" family roles. Watching them is like seeing a drippy movie of what a good family should be. But it's also a very smothering environment. I can tell you that I could not stand being in an environment like that for long. And I'm sure they would say the same thing of other families. It all depends on your emotional make up and the type of emotional environment you grew up in.

And like others have said I see nothing in this that strongly suggests he is gay. There are plenty of repressed homosexuals who have trouble coming to terms with their sexuality, but they don't necessarily exhibit these problems. The fact that you think "gay" means 'namby-pamby can't face the world' seems to me to suggest that you know any gay people. I've encountered numerous gay individuals who have better emotional coping skills than your average straight guy. If anything better skills.



extremely sheltered? hes out drinking in bars and going home with chicks for christ sake. doesnt sound sheltered to me, but that he knows exactly whats going on.
Dude, you suck at the reading comprehension skilz. In the FIRST LINE of THE OP
Let me set the background for you. This guy is 27 years old, lived an incredibly sheltered life, has known my fiancée since they were 5 and they have been best friends since then.

Now on to the story.

My fiancée just called and was telling me that her friend, let's call him Andy like the 40 year old virgin, called her at work all upset and crying. Seems that he went out over the weekend, Friday night I think, and was at a bar with some friends and had a bit too much to drink, which for him means he might have smelled a beer. Seriously I've seen the guy order virgin daiquiris on numerous occasions.
Please refrain from rewriting the story to suit yourself.
It is much more reasonable to presume these actions were an attempt to assimilate himself in the prevailing social climate, or more simply put, to live in the manner others proscribe.
 

Shyatic

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Originally posted by: DigDug
I bet he grew up in a fanatic household that subscribes to of one of the obedience-through-guilt religions also known as Christianity, Judaism and Islam.

I got that from the latter of the three you listed -- it was all guilt, guilt, guilt. And I admit, I turned out to be the NICEST guy that everybody loved to sh!t on growing up. I'd sit there and grin and bear it. Looking back I wish my parents had told me to punch people in the face and stamp on their balls when they were down, but I can't rewrite my history.

I just chose to get some help and went down a different path. And now, my parents don't approve but I say fvck them. Sure they raised me and fed me and all that, but if they don't want me to be happy, why the fvck have kids at all? I get so mad when I think about it, so I'll stop here :x
 

Medicine Bear

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Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: shimsham
Originally posted by: Locut0s
Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Sexuality and sexual drive are two distinctly different things. When you grow up a little more, you may realize this. Or not and continue to be an insensitive jacka$$.

The clues are in the first few lines of this story. the first being... " sheltered life" The second... "Calling Mom...."
Dude never had the apron strings cut, has a poor self image, and an unrealistic view of the " Cold Hard World".
And the additional stereotyping you engaged him in did not address the underlying issue of Repression of Testosterone Based Behavior in Young Males in the Late 20th, Early 21st Century.
This rejection / modification of young male behaviors has this as it's eventual consequence. Boy's NEED to play rough just as girls NEED to play "House". It's part of the DNA coding we are trying to foolishly re-program.
I say the guy needs a true MALE Role Model / friend and your GF thought you might be that guy. Instead, you chose to be as adolescent about it as you could be, finding humor in anothers miery and THAT is what has upset her.
You failed her and you failed him, and she will probably always remember that failing.

Empathy would be better than Symapthy here. Try thinking of how you might feel were the situation reversed. Imagine how that question of "Are you 'gay'" would play out if your every waking moment were filled with confusion on the urges the guy feels versus the constant barrage of social messages of "no woman wants to be forced upon, let it develop naturally, "no means no", save it for marriage, etc. etc."

I say dude is messed up and Mom probably has herself as the root cause.
Poor guy.

Blah, blah, blame society and his mom, blah, blah, blah. Odd how his brothers and sisters ended up normal but he is a total mess. Dontcha think?

No. Just because some people manage OK in a family environment doesn't mean everyone will. This guy has obviously led an extremely sheltered life. Now for some people with good coping skills growing up in a family like that won't necessarily change them dramatically, they will merely have a little harder time adjusting to life. I have also led a very sheltered existence and I'm also an older virgin, 23, so I can relate to that guy though I'd like to think my coping skills are better. This is not the only type of environment that can mess people up. My cousins live in an EXTREMELY family oriented family where everyone plays their stereotypical "happy upper class North American" family roles. Watching them is like seeing a drippy movie of what a good family should be. But it's also a very smothering environment. I can tell you that I could not stand being in an environment like that for long. And I'm sure they would say the same thing of other families. It all depends on your emotional make up and the type of emotional environment you grew up in.

And like others have said I see nothing in this that strongly suggests he is gay. There are plenty of repressed homosexuals who have trouble coming to terms with their sexuality, but they don't necessarily exhibit these problems. The fact that you think "gay" means 'namby-pamby can't face the world' seems to me to suggest that you know any gay people. I've encountered numerous gay individuals who have better emotional coping skills than your average straight guy. If anything better skills.



extremely sheltered? hes out drinking in bars and going home with chicks for christ sake. doesnt sound sheltered to me, but that he knows exactly whats going on.
Dude, you suck at the reading comprehension skilz. In the FIRST LINE of THE OP
Let me set the background for you. This guy is 27 years old, lived an incredibly sheltered life, has known my fiancée since they were 5 and they have been best friends since then.

Now on to the story.

My fiancée just called and was telling me that her friend, let's call him Andy like the 40 year old virgin, called her at work all upset and crying. Seems that he went out over the weekend, Friday night I think, and was at a bar with some friends and had a bit too much to drink, which for him means he might have smelled a beer. Seriously I've seen the guy order virgin daiquiris on numerous occasions.
Please refrain from rewriting the story to suit yourself.
Actually he is sort of correct. Talked to my fiancee about it some more last night and he wasn't really all that sheltered. I had the wrong impression from conversations we had in the past. One thing she did tell me is that every time something went wrong in his life he would go running and crying to his mom. Been that way since she has known him. Get a bad grade in school? Run to mom. Get teased at school? Run to mom. Not able to climb the rope in gym? Run to mom. Not get first chair in band tryouts? Run to mom? Get some pussy? Run to mom.

 

Medicine Bear

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Originally posted by: DigDug
I bet he grew up in a fanatic household that subscribes to of one of the obedience-through-guilt religions also known as Christianity, Judaism and Islam.
Nope. Not religious people at all.

 

Shyatic

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Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
Originally posted by: DigDug
I bet he grew up in a fanatic household that subscribes to of one of the obedience-through-guilt religions also known as Christianity, Judaism and Islam.
Nope. Not religious people at all.

Seriously Medicine Bear, you shoudl suggest to your fiance that she help him get some help. Have her find some doctors and do some research on them, then have her pass the names along and make sure he gets the help he needs. This way, when you finally get married, you already earned a few points so you don't get the 'dry spells' most other married guys get.

"Honey, comon..."
"I'm not in the mood!"
"I wasn't in the mood to help your fvcked up friend but I did!"
"Oh you're right..........'
*censored*

Earn those points while they are still there to be earned
 

Medicine Bear

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Originally posted by: Scribe
Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
Originally posted by: DigDug
I bet he grew up in a fanatic household that subscribes to of one of the obedience-through-guilt religions also known as Christianity, Judaism and Islam.
Nope. Not religious people at all.

Seriously Medicine Bear, you shoudl suggest to your fiance that she help him get some help. Have her find some doctors and do some research on them, then have her pass the names along and make sure he gets the help he needs. This way, when you finally get married, you already earned a few points so you don't get the 'dry spells' most other married guys get.

"Honey, comon..."
"I'm not in the mood!"
"I wasn't in the mood to help your fvcked up friend but I did!"
"Oh you're right..........'
*censored*

Earn those points while they are still there to be earned
We've been together a long time. Haven't hit a dry spell yet.

His family is trying to get him some help. They were going to look for a psych place to do an eval of him.

 

shimsham

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Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: shimsham
Originally posted by: Locut0s
Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Sexuality and sexual drive are two distinctly different things. When you grow up a little more, you may realize this. Or not and continue to be an insensitive jacka$$.

The clues are in the first few lines of this story. the first being... " sheltered life" The second... "Calling Mom...."
Dude never had the apron strings cut, has a poor self image, and an unrealistic view of the " Cold Hard World".
And the additional stereotyping you engaged him in did not address the underlying issue of Repression of Testosterone Based Behavior in Young Males in the Late 20th, Early 21st Century.
This rejection / modification of young male behaviors has this as it's eventual consequence. Boy's NEED to play rough just as girls NEED to play "House". It's part of the DNA coding we are trying to foolishly re-program.
I say the guy needs a true MALE Role Model / friend and your GF thought you might be that guy. Instead, you chose to be as adolescent about it as you could be, finding humor in anothers miery and THAT is what has upset her.
You failed her and you failed him, and she will probably always remember that failing.

Empathy would be better than Symapthy here. Try thinking of how you might feel were the situation reversed. Imagine how that question of "Are you 'gay'" would play out if your every waking moment were filled with confusion on the urges the guy feels versus the constant barrage of social messages of "no woman wants to be forced upon, let it develop naturally, "no means no", save it for marriage, etc. etc."

I say dude is messed up and Mom probably has herself as the root cause.
Poor guy.

Blah, blah, blame society and his mom, blah, blah, blah. Odd how his brothers and sisters ended up normal but he is a total mess. Dontcha think?

No. Just because some people manage OK in a family environment doesn't mean everyone will. This guy has obviously led an extremely sheltered life. Now for some people with good coping skills growing up in a family like that won't necessarily change them dramatically, they will merely have a little harder time adjusting to life. I have also led a very sheltered existence and I'm also an older virgin, 23, so I can relate to that guy though I'd like to think my coping skills are better. This is not the only type of environment that can mess people up. My cousins live in an EXTREMELY family oriented family where everyone plays their stereotypical "happy upper class North American" family roles. Watching them is like seeing a drippy movie of what a good family should be. But it's also a very smothering environment. I can tell you that I could not stand being in an environment like that for long. And I'm sure they would say the same thing of other families. It all depends on your emotional make up and the type of emotional environment you grew up in.

And like others have said I see nothing in this that strongly suggests he is gay. There are plenty of repressed homosexuals who have trouble coming to terms with their sexuality, but they don't necessarily exhibit these problems. The fact that you think "gay" means 'namby-pamby can't face the world' seems to me to suggest that you know any gay people. I've encountered numerous gay individuals who have better emotional coping skills than your average straight guy. If anything better skills.



extremely sheltered? hes out drinking in bars and going home with chicks for christ sake. doesnt sound sheltered to me, but that he knows exactly whats going on.
Dude, you suck at the reading comprehension skilz. In the FIRST LINE of THE OP
Let me set the background for you. This guy is 27 years old, lived an incredibly sheltered life, has known my fiancée since they were 5 and they have been best friends since then.

Now on to the story.

My fiancée just called and was telling me that her friend, let's call him Andy like the 40 year old virgin, called her at work all upset and crying. Seems that he went out over the weekend, Friday night I think, and was at a bar with some friends and had a bit too much to drink, which for him means he might have smelled a beer. Seriously I've seen the guy order virgin daiquiris on numerous occasions.
Please refrain from rewriting the story to suit yourself.
It is much more reasonable to presume these actions were an attempt to assimilate himself in the prevailing social climate, or more simply put, to live in the manner others proscribe.

lived, led, doesnt matter. if youre out drinking in bars, and going home with women, chances are you didnt lead a sheltered life. the guy is fvcked in the head if he cant get laid at 27 without having a nervous breakdown.
 

Shyatic

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Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
Originally posted by: Scribe
Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
Originally posted by: DigDug
I bet he grew up in a fanatic household that subscribes to of one of the obedience-through-guilt religions also known as Christianity, Judaism and Islam.
Nope. Not religious people at all.

Seriously Medicine Bear, you shoudl suggest to your fiance that she help him get some help. Have her find some doctors and do some research on them, then have her pass the names along and make sure he gets the help he needs. This way, when you finally get married, you already earned a few points so you don't get the 'dry spells' most other married guys get.

"Honey, comon..."
"I'm not in the mood!"
"I wasn't in the mood to help your fvcked up friend but I did!"
"Oh you're right..........'
*censored*

Earn those points while they are still there to be earned
We've been together a long time. Haven't hit a dry spell yet.

His family is trying to get him some help. They were going to look for a psych place to do an eval of him.

Bad idea with the psych place... they reek of a 'doctory' feel and it's going to make it harder for him to accept. What I would do is get names of people under his insurance or people you've found (psychologists) and have him line up and see them all and see which one he clicks with. Those 'evaluations' are a scam, just FYI. You might want to pass that along to his family.
 

Turkish

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Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
Get a bad grade in school? Run to mom. Get teased at school? Run to mom. Not able to climb the rope in gym? Run to mom. Not get first chair in band tryouts? Run to mom? Get some pussy? Run to mom.

:laugh:
 

DaShen

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Originally posted by: Scribe
Bad idea with the psych place... they reek of a 'doctory' feel and it's going to make it harder for him to accept. What I would do is get names of people under his insurance or people you've found (psychologists) and have him line up and see them all and see which one he clicks with. Those 'evaluations' are a scam, just FYI. You might want to pass that along to his family.

Exactly. He just needs to have a counselor or a psychiatrists to talk to to sort out some issues. He could have a chemical imbalance, but more than likely he just needs to readjusts and deal with issues.
 

Medicine Bear

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Originally posted by: Scribe
Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
Originally posted by: Scribe
Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
Originally posted by: DigDug
I bet he grew up in a fanatic household that subscribes to of one of the obedience-through-guilt religions also known as Christianity, Judaism and Islam.
Nope. Not religious people at all.

Seriously Medicine Bear, you shoudl suggest to your fiance that she help him get some help. Have her find some doctors and do some research on them, then have her pass the names along and make sure he gets the help he needs. This way, when you finally get married, you already earned a few points so you don't get the 'dry spells' most other married guys get.

"Honey, comon..."
"I'm not in the mood!"
"I wasn't in the mood to help your fvcked up friend but I did!"
"Oh you're right..........'
*censored*

Earn those points while they are still there to be earned
We've been together a long time. Haven't hit a dry spell yet.

His family is trying to get him some help. They were going to look for a psych place to do an eval of him.

Bad idea with the psych place... they reek of a 'doctory' feel and it's going to make it harder for him to accept. What I would do is get names of people under his insurance or people you've found (psychologists) and have him line up and see them all and see which one he clicks with. Those 'evaluations' are a scam, just FYI. You might want to pass that along to his family.
Whatever they do with him is up to his family. The fiancee and I are staying out of that part of it.
 

OrByte

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BAH!!

All this guy needs to do is get on the phone with Dr. Drew and Adam Corolla at Loveline. Dr Drew will graciously tell him that he is repressing some sort of sexual abuse from his past and Adam will wreak havoc with the poor guys already demolished masculinity. Then we can all laugh about it as we listen in!

FTW!

 

ryan256

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You know.... its screwed up people like this that one day wind up in a bell tower with a rifle.
 
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