[H] 1300mhz 7970 Versus GTX580

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chimaxi83

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Why PhysX on High with GTX580 in Batman: AC ?

I thought the same thing, but I guess the response to that would be that they do equal settings in their "apples to apples", and "highest playable settings" is to show what each individual card is capable of.
 

railven

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Why PhysX on High with GTX580 in Batman: AC ?

Highest in-game settings? And here come the "but that isn't Apples-to-Apples" blah blah.

Then in a pro-PhysX thread "well you can run PhysX on any nvidia card." Yet, using it in a bench is unfair.

You can never win it seems haha.
 

imaheadcase

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HardOCP "benchmarks". Did they insist fairy dust be in the air before they started each time, and that the sun and moon is aligned correctly before "true" benchmark was attainable?

I bet he had to redue the benchmarks 100x because he farted in the room and threw the results off by temp variance.
 

railven

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HardOCP "benchmarks". Did they insist fairy dust be in the air before they started each time, and that the sun and moon is aligned correctly before "true" benchmark was attainable?

I bet he had to redue the benchmarks 100x because he farted in the room and threw the results off by temp variance.

Be serious, nVidia is casted in a bad light. Of course the Sun and the Moon weren't properly aligned. There is no other plausible explanation...

Unless...

[H]ardOCP is now part of the AMD Shill Factory.
 

imaheadcase

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Be serious, nVidia is casted in a bad light. Of course the Sun and the Moon weren't properly aligned. There is no other plausible explanation...

Unless...

[H]ardOCP is now part of the AMD Shill Factory.


Just saying the way he cries about benchmarking correctly, like he knows better than other sites i take his with a grain of salt. Might as well through in a + or - %10-20 to everything he does.
 

BallaTheFeared

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Remember, the 7970 is barely faster than the 580!

This chart is proof!

Stock vs Overclocked, 40nm vs 28nm...

If I were to tell you a 32nm i5-2500k could overclock higher, and perform better than 45nm i5-750 would you think I was stating the obvious, or bring something new and revolutionary to the table?

It's a nice card, it's good to see progress.. Though that is to be expected. I'll wait to call it the second coming of the messiah until I see it compared to another 28nm product. I already have more than double the performance of a single stock 580 when not cpu limited, so I can actually wait awhile for that product, maybe even 8xxx from AMD.
 

railven

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Just saying the way he cries about benchmarking correctly, like he knows better than other sites i take his with a grain of salt. Might as well through in a + or - %10-20 to everything he does.

Might as well, since his numbers are often not what most sites get since they used canned/controlled benchmarks.

In the end it's just another site to ignore unless of course they magically say something to favor whatever brand a person is currently involved with.
 

Meaker10

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Stock vs Overclocked, 40nm vs 28nm...

If I were to tell you a 32nm i5-2500k could overclock higher, and perform better than 45nm i5-750 would you think I was stating the obvious, or bring something new and revolutionary to the table?

It's a nice card, it's good to see progress.. Though that is to be expected. I'll wait to call it the second coming of the messiah until I see it compared to another 28nm product. I already have more than double the performance of a single stock 580 when not cpu limited, so I can actually wait awhile for that product, maybe even 8xxx from AMD.

When SLI scales properly and if you are not sensitive to input lag.....
 

Meaker10

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When it's fully supported and works correctly, if a game is not supported properly you will only get the performance of one card.

The way SLI is implemented helps reduce micro stutter compared to xfire but increases input lag due to processing done on compositing the frames together.
 

SlowSpyder

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Stock vs Overclocked, 40nm vs 28nm...

If I were to tell you a 32nm i5-2500k could overclock higher, and perform better than 45nm i5-750 would you think I was stating the obvious, or bring something new and revolutionary to the table?

It's a nice card, it's good to see progress.. Though that is to be expected. I'll wait to call it the second coming of the messiah until I see it compared to another 28nm product. I already have more than double the performance of a single stock 580 when not cpu limited, so I can actually wait awhile for that product, maybe even 8xxx from AMD.


Geez guys... this really doesn't have to be about AMD vs Nvidia, there is nothing to get defensive about. All it shows is how much faster the 7970 can be than the previous gen fastest single GPU. If someone has a GTX580, and is thinking about the 7970, this gives them a good idea of how much faster it can be. That's all, nothing more. Nothing to argue about. The 7970 is a newer card on a more advanced process than the GTX580, it should be faster. But someone may wonder how much faster it can be, that's all this is.
 

Grooveriding

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Geez guys... this really doesn't have to be about AMD vs Nvidia, there is nothing to get defensive about. All it shows is how much faster the 7970 can be than the previous gen fastest single GPU. If someone has a GTX580, and is thinking about the 7970, this gives them a good idea of how much faster it can be. That's all, nothing more. Nothing to argue about. The 7970 is a newer card on a more advanced process than the GTX580, it should be faster. But someone may wonder how much faster it can be, that's all this is.

No, no, no. This is about how my multiple cards from the past process are faster than one card from the next.

Excuse me while I get out my benchmark folder, my 3 480s destroy this 1 7970 and I've got to make you aware of this.

Just having some fun.
 

railven

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Geez guys... this really doesn't have to be about AMD vs Nvidia, there is nothing to get defensive about. All it shows is how much faster the 7970 can be than the previous gen fastest single GPU. If someone has a GTX580, and is thinking about the 7970, this gives them a good idea of how much faster it can be. That's all, nothing more. Nothing to argue about. The 7970 is a newer card on a more advanced process than the GTX580, it should be faster. But someone may wonder how much faster it can be, that's all this is.

But they didn't overclock the GTX 580 so how would they know how much faster it would be than an equally insanely overclocked GTX 580!

This article doesn't provide me with enough information to decide which is best for me. Perhaps, I got read some more.
 

Concillian

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I love the marketing pack that goes with the Cooler.
Windforce 3x "TRIANGLE COOL"

It's not just cool, it's triangle cool!

Never thought triangles to be so cool. I guess I'm a square.
 

ShadowOfMyself

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I wish they had used an OCd 580 just to shut the fanboys in this thread... Did you even look at the numbers? I didnt actually do the math, but at a quick glance it seems to be 70%~ faster on average

I doubt an OCed 580 can close the gap by more than 20%, and its probably even less

Also, why does this matter? Because it gives you a good idea of what Kepler will really be competing against, by the time its finally here

Lol'd at Nvidia saying the 7970 is unimpressive, someone needs to forward them these numbers
 

chimaxi83

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No, no, no. This is about how my multiple cards from the past process are faster than one card from the next.

Excuse me while I get out my benchmark folder, my 3 480s destroy this 1 7970 and I've got to make you aware of this.

Just having some fun.

I see wut you did thar!

lol

Genuine question, are there air cooled GTX580's that can overclock as equally well as Tahiti?
 

96Firebird

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People here lack some vital reading comprehension skills...

With my OC'ed 580 comment, I was pointing to the fact that HardOCP seems to bench things in very awkward ways. They included an OC'ed GTX 580 in the original 7970 review, and then used a stock GTX 580 in the 7970 OC review. Any normal person can see that they should have used a stock GTX 580 for the initial review, why they didn't is beyond me.

But keep that thought that everyone is out to bash AMD, and you are the one and only savior for them!
 
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Impressive numbers. Makes me wonder what the 680 will look like overclocked. The 28nm process seems to overclock like crazy.
 

SolMiester

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That is some serious pwnage right there.
Kepler faces a pretty big increase in performance over Fermi to bridge or beat it.:thumbsup:

Check these overclock numbers from Rage3D

OMG, your right, A 28nm GPU is thrashing a 40nm year old GPU...unbelievable!
 

Jacky60

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This is bonkers why tf don't they compare a good but easy overclock on both cards?
 
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