[H] 6990+6970 CF vs GTX580 SLI triple monitor

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http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/04/11/amd_radeon_69906970_crossfirex_trifire_review

The Bottom Line

If you are fortunate enough to be considering a $1000 GPU buy, you surely want the best performance profile for your money and there is no beating AMD's Radeon HD 6990+6970 CrossFireX "TriFire." While not tested here today, Radeon HD 6970 TriFire would give you even better gaming performance should you have the room for it in your system.





For those of you with $1000 to spend on GPUs.
 
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notty22

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Its a interesting article/perspective, IMHO, if a gamer was going to spend 1000 dollars, a bigger picture than this would be appropriate.
Based on the games tested.
I would say the same if Crysis 2, Civ 5, Hawx 2, Lost Planet 2 or Dirt 2 were the limited games selected. If they were the 580 NON o/c SLI would perform similar/faster to TRI-fire.
 

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In all fairness, the proper setup against HD6990+6970 / Tri-fire 6970s should be GTX570 Tri-SLI. I would imagine that someone who is spending $1000+ on GPU setup wouldn't be constrained by 2 PCIe slots only.
 

notty22

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Another point is where he chose to take power readings.
He mentions, during real gaming , which is good.
But he chose the game that tri-fire was supposedly "twiddling its thumbs". Why not choose a game where the tri-fire gpu usage was the highest ? Also BFBC2 performance equality was written off as cpu limited, I don't agree. Its just a example of Nvidia drivers performing better, the opposite of what we see in F1, and DA2.
 

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Also BFBC2 performance equality was written off as cpu limited, I don't agree. Its just a example of Nvidia drivers performing better, the opposite of what we see in F1, and DA2.

At 8xAA there was no difference.

At higher AA settings there was a difference.
 
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The article is about how as an AMD buyer, would you compete with the 580 SLI.. given that it is $1000, the closest cost competitor is a 6990 + 6970.

There are other equally valid cominbations. But a 6990 + 6970 combo is a 2 slot solution with similar power use as a 580 SLI so its the fairest comparison imo.

Personally, if i were to go down that road (eyeinfinity and multi CF/SLI), i would get 4x 6950 and unlock into 6970 and get a QF setup for <$1,000. This setup would smoke all other combos in terms of perf/price and perf/watt.

I think this article really highlights the advantage of the 6990, you can slot in another 6970 down the road for a bump in speed, or slot in another 6990.. most people's rigs have only 2 slots so 3 and 4 combos would require an entire new rig. The point is that tri and quad CF scales amazingly with this generation and its a big achievement for AMD.
 

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The article is about how as an AMD buyer, would you compete with the 580 SLI.. given that it is $1000, the closest cost competitor is a 6990 + 6970.

There are other equally valid cominbations. But a 6990 + 6970 combo is a 2 slot solution with similar power use as a 580 SLI so its the fairest comparison imo.

Personally, if i were to go down that road (eyeinfinity and multi CF/SLI), i would get 4x 6950 and unlock into 6970 and get a QF setup for <$1,000. This setup would smoke all other combos in terms of perf/price and perf/watt.

I think this article really highlights the advantage of the 6990, you can slot in another 6970 down the road for a bump in speed, or slot in another 6990.. most people's rigs have only 2 slots so 3 and 4 combos would require an entire new rig. The point is that tri and quad CF scales amazingly with this generation and its a big achievement for AMD.


Quadfire/Quad-SLI is worthless at most resolutions...

At 19x12xx it is not even close to being worth it over a 6990...

I know this review was done on an extreme resolution setting, which is what such a setup is made for...but I see this as such a niche it is almost worthless.
 
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Which is why i had said an eyeinfinity setup. It is a niche market, top end enthusiast, not disputing this.

SLI 580 and 6990 are overkill for 1080p and in most games even at 2560 res. Having a $1000 budget, the most bang for buck would be QF 6950s.. not a 6990 + 6970 or SLI 580s.
 

AnandThenMan

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I know this review was done on an extreme resolution setting, which is what such a setup is made for...but I see this as such a niche it is almost worthless.
The highest end stuff is always expensive, and represents a very small piece of the market. But worthless? I don't think a Ferrari is worthless even though I'll probably never own one. But if you are going for 3 monitor high rez gaming, awesome I'd love to own such a setup.

I have to say, not having paid a whole lot of attention lately to Crossfire setups, the performance is sensational, very very impressive. ATI/AMD has come along way from the days of external cables and barely working Xfire drivers.
 

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In all fairness, the proper setup against HD6990+6970 / Tri-fire 6970s should be GTX570 Tri-SLI. I would imagine that someone who is spending $1000+ on GPU setup wouldn't be constrained by 2 PCIe slots only.

Except that the 580sli/570sli/6970cf/6950cf review on H shows that the 570 becomes framebuffer limited at such a resolution. I my mind serves me correct, on one of the thests the 570 sli came out on 4,5 fps while even the 6950cf did 45ish fps.

So I will not agree, I think the 570 tri sli would be a poor comparison over even a 6950 trifire.

And if you are going to use three cards, why not three 6970s? They would still fit the $1000 bracket? (And give an extra 5-10% performance increase)
 

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Another point is where he chose to take power readings.
He mentions, during real gaming , which is good.
But he chose the game that tri-fire was supposedly "twiddling its thumbs". Why not choose a game where the tri-fire gpu usage was the highest ? Also BFBC2 performance equality was written off as cpu limited, I don't agree. Its just a example of Nvidia drivers performing better, the opposite of what we see in F1, and DA2.

You do realize if the tri fire was working harder, the would beat the 580 sli with even more? I would like to see a reference to another site to back up your assertions/allegations. Plz post showing this to be wrong.

And nice to see that you are more competent than the staff at H. I look forward to your reviews, and not the $1500 tri sli review at 19x12 here at A.(Useless)
 

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Lonyo

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Which is why i had said an eyeinfinity setup. It is a niche market, top end enthusiast, not disputing this.

SLI 580 and 6990 are overkill for 1080p and in most games even at 2560 res. Having a $1000 budget, the most bang for buck would be QF 6950s.. not a 6990 + 6970 or SLI 580s.

Eyefinity isn't really "top end enthusiast".
It's ~$300 more than having a single monitor at the bottom end (two 1080p monitors can be had for $300, and you should already have at least one monitor for your computer so that cost doesn't count as an additional cost).

$300 is the same as a second-tier single GPU card (6970/GTX570 level). That's not top end enthusiast.
So either you can buy 2 monitors and keep them for 5 years, or buy a GPU and keep it for 2.

For NV, surround gaming is moving to a high end enthusiast setup because you really need to spend over $500 (2 monitors @ $300 + second graphics card @ $200+ for GTX560Ti or above level, plus motherboard and power requirements go up).

That's why it makes sense (IMO) to see what a single AMD is capable of at Eyefinity levels with single cards, to see how viable it is for "common" users who don't want to be spending loads for everything. Extra monitors is also nice for productivity.

Consider that this review compares $1000 of graphics cards on potentially $450 of monitors.
A review showing 2560x1600 compares $500 graphics cards on $1000 of monitor is "standard".

A review showing up to $500 of GPU on $500 of monitors would make more sense.
 

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I think the idea is that he took 1000$ limit or so.

And said... what can I get from Nvidia, and what can I get from AMD?

Then he got 2x 580 SLI, and 1x 6990 + 6970 working together.

Done.... used 1000$ from both nvidia and AMD.

tests systems... discovers 6990+6970 > 580 SLI, by huge amounts.

in conclusion? 1000$ best spent on 6970x3 or 6990+6970, it kicks 2x580's arse.
 
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For those who had recommended Tri SLI 570s.. its really a bad idea. It just does not have enough VRAM to handle multi monitor res and in some games it already tanks at 2560 with 8xAA.

So the only option for ~$1000 from NV is SLI 580s.

Compare that to Quad CF 6950s for a similar price, it wouldn't even be a close contest. The decision to go with 2gb vram makes the 69xx series a winner for multicard high res setups.

@Lonyo: Eyeinfinity isn't expensive. But i meant that only enthusiasts and an even smaller niche uses it. To power eyeinfinity/surround you need these beefy multi GPUs otherwise its overkill for single monitors.
 

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I don't understand this comparison. You are still comparing 3 gpu's vs 2... yes it is 2 cards vs 2 cards, but when one card has 2 gpu's on it, it's not a fair comparison IMHO

And more sillyness is saying: most people have a mobo w/ just 2 pci-e slots. People who are going to spend 1k + on gpu's will more then likely have an enthusiast board and that won't be a problem.

on another note, it's pretty freaking slick that you can use a 6970 w/ a 6990. Never knew you could mix and match cards like that... kudos to AMD
 
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Lonyo

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I don't understand this comparison. You are still comparing 3 gpu's vs 2... yes it is 2 cards vs 2 cards, but when one card has 2 gpu's on it, it's not a fair comparison IMHO

And more sillyness is saying: most people have a mobo w/ just 2 pci-e slots. People who are going to spend 1k + on gpu's will more then likely have an enthusiast board and that won't be a problem.

on another note, it's pretty freaking slick that you can use a 6970 w/ a 6990. Never knew you could mix and match cards like that... kudos to AMD

Fair is comparing cost to cost.
It doesn't matter if it's 5 cards vs 1, or 17 cards vs 12.
If the cost is the same, the comparison is fair.
 

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So where is the 590 + 580 Tri-Sli?

...did i miss something? why isnt this an option on Nvidia cards?
Is there a massive difference between 590 and 580 cards?

Can the 590 cards not take the voltage or clocks that the 580 can?

Doesnt seem to be a problem for AMD with their Radeons...
 

Elganja

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Fair is comparing cost to cost.
It doesn't matter if it's 5 cards vs 1, or 17 cards vs 12.
If the cost is the same, the comparison is fair.

that's rather silly to say. Why pick the most expensive cards then? If you want the maximum performance for 1k you would not chose 2 580's
 

Elganja

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So where is the 590 + 580 Tri-Sli?

...did i miss something? why isnt this an option on Nvidia cards?
Is there a massive difference between 590 and 580 cards?

Can the 590 cards not take the voltage or clocks that the 580 can?

Doesnt seem to be a problem for AMD with their Radeons...

I don't know if you are serious or not, but you sure sound like a troll...

regardless, nvidia's sli has never been able to support sli'ing 2 different gpu's (atleast not their current cards).

Is that bad? I don't think so.. would it be a nice perk? for sure! AMD deserves some kudos for allowing it


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