Counter-idea.
In the case of testing only two cards, have two otherwise identical test systems join the same server on the same team at the same time. Go to side of map and watch from a distance side by side as close as possible.
Not perfect, but far more representative than trying to randomly go through games. I've played probably 10,000 rounds of BF2,3,4, and no two games are the same.
To much trolling for me.
Nah I'm good, this conversation is going nowhere fast.
So no followup with the 780 Ti, and probably nothing in the way of OC vs OC?
Disappointing, would have like to see SP numbers as well to get a baseline.
Are you going to answer about the nvidia mantle killer?
You missed the remarks relating to that. The 760 test ran through very light conditions on the level they played, whereas the 770 experienced more combat. It is the nature of MP benches, and it needs to come with editorial remarks relating to it and a conclusion after MANY hours spent PLAYING the game.
Its also why so few sites do it. Takes too much time and effort!
Are you going to answer about the nvidia mantle killer?
And Brent, i would plaster that all over your site about you guys suspending BF4 testing due to the game being a bag of poop. Make it clear, maybe that will light a fire under the developers behind.
I would also do the same about COD Ghost, another fine example of a beta game release as final sample. One that in my experience is somewhat worse than BF4. Yet no one really calls them out for it, same goes for EA/DICE. :thumbsdown:
Is that because Nvidia is in second place in the review? :awe:
Unfortunately you appear to be completely unable to understand how the reviews at [H] are done, and why their methodology has merit compared to dumbed down graphs achieved with canned benches.No, its because they are the most insane review site ever. Not only did they take money from companies to review products, they also insist every review site does benchmarking wrong and if you don't do it like them you are not a good tech site. Not only that, but they have the worst benchmark graphs to read. The lines make no sense at all. But that is all part of the "we do it right, you do it wrong attitude".
Someone said the 780Ti was not included? Yah so nvidia is on top.
Then reviews that show 1080p games running at 150fps+ with medium to low settings would be more to your liking.Constantly shoving the red herring 4k gaming, as well as subjective feel-good crapola such as "smoothness" and "gaming experience" is embarrassing.
subjective feel-good crapola such as "smoothness" and "gaming experience" is embarrassing.
Then reviews that show 1080p games running at 150fps+ with medium to low settings would be more to your liking.
100% agreed. But it is important to show the ultra high rez results as well, like you said a good future predictor. Showing mainly 1080p IMO is fine for mid to lower end stuff, but when you buy a $700 graphics card, reviews need to push it to the limits, that is what it was built for.I'm OK with people showing 4k gaming, it's good to tell future-proofing, but way, way more people use 1080p. It should definitely be included.
100% agreed. But it is important to show the ultra high rez results as well, like you said a good future predictor. Showing mainly 1080p IMO is fine for mid to lower end stuff, but when you buy a $700 graphics card, reviews need to push it to the limits, that is what it was built for.
I could have almost told you what the conclusion would say verbatim before I even read it. [H]Zone has embarrassed itself with Hawaii......of all the product launches to cling to, is it really the hill to die on?
The strongest point is the price and performance of the 290 pro. Constantly shoving the red herring 4k gaming, as well as subjective feel-good crapola such as "smoothness" and "gaming experience" is embarrassing.
It would be one thing if they didn't try to justify or downplay the removal of the base clock, the launch delay, the power consumption, the need to buy an aftermarket cooler, the "quiet mode" gimmick.....
Or if they weren't the only review I could find that didn't state that the 780ti is the fastest single-gpu card, they only said "Nvidia's fastest card"......
They were also very fast with the news articles and statements from AMD denying that there was a problem with Tom's cards, yet they sent out a fix for it.
They haven't always been this way, but it seems to be a PR mouthpiece at this point. Maybe it will change next gen? I know they were previously accused constantly of being in the bag for NV, but nothing this obvious.
Strange.
Hard|OCP is only biased if your favorite vendor loses.
The only thing that's strange is your entire post wouldn't exist if the situation was reversed.
IMO the best way to do a consistent test between two competing cards is to have two identical rigs connected to the same server at the same time. Have them both play in the same squad and follow each other around so the amt of action is consistent throughout the test. That's really the only good way to test MP in a game like BF3 and 4. Otherwise every single MP game is different and not reflective of true overall performance.
For example, when this review was done with 680M vs 7970M, that's exactly how it was tested. Two identical Alienware M18x systems running the game on the same server, same squad with 2 different competing cards:
I beg to differ, the best way would be to gather 64 players with the sole intention on benchmarking the game. I know it wouldn't be exactly easy to accomplish. Having sad that, were are not dealing with science where every thing should be extraordinary controlled so your approach while not perfect should be good enough.
Yes but how realistic is it to find 64 willing participants for each review? That's why the above scenario I mentioned is the best way.
Uhh, a quick trip to reddit or any large gaming forum will yield a lot of willing participants. You can probably set it up in a week.
The hardest part imo would be having a bunch of identical rigs to test with at the same time.