[H] XFX 290x DD Crossfire vs 780ti SLI Review

[SolMiester]

I dont see such a big difference with single cards between 290x & 780Ti @ 4K, so surmise this is a scaling issue with SLI....

http://www.legitreviews.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-ti-vs-amd-radeon-r9-290x-at-4k-ultra-hd_130055

Although the 780Ti in this review is running @ 1072mhz

 

[lavaheadache]

IF you guys deem me worthy of running some unbiased test for you I will gladly provide my results. 780 ti's, 4k, 2560x1600/1440... I have most newer games.

I do not experience those huge dips. Unless, I'm not playing the right maps or doing the right things. Maybe I just not noticing the drops but it's doubtful since I run a utility and am very sensitive to frame rates. I have a long history of complaining about microstutter and such. Heck, I even *have* to run a frame limiter else I don't feel that games run smoothly.

 

[Silverforce11]

I dont see such a big difference with single cards between 290x & 780Ti @ 4K, so surmise this is a scaling issue with SLI....

http://www.legitreviews.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-ti-vs-amd-radeon-r9-290x-at-4k-ultra-hd_130055

Although the 780Ti in this review is running @ 1072mhz

Yeah I think its a SLi scaling issue as well because the 780ti is pretty damn beast. At launch the R290s single and CF destroyed the 780/SLI at 4K res, but the 780ti quickly narrowed the gap.

Kudos to XFX for making a decent cooler, their DD for Tahiti was trash.

 

[Tmf]

Yeah good to see XFX bringing it with a good cooling solution. Really good looking card too, probably the best yet. Would really of liked to see the XFX logo on the side light up as well but oh well.

 

[omeds]

I dont see such a big difference with single cards between 290x & 780Ti @ 4K, so surmise this is a scaling issue with SLI....

http://www.legitreviews.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-ti-vs-amd-radeon-r9-290x-at-4k-ultra-hd_130055

Although the 780Ti in this review is running @ 1072mhz

Yeah ok there are probably SLI issues with 4k/surround too. Hawaii generally does well at higher resolutions compared to GK110, but sure I wouldn't expect it to produce the kind of results in the OP.

 

[OCGuy]

[H] has zero credibility with Hawaii. They play to their audience.

 

[horza]

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[Will Robinson]

Let me know when you've read the article.



You wouldn't be my first choice as a credibility ombudsman when it comes to graphics cards.

Classic:biggrin:

[H] calls them how they see 'em.
Sometimes it's really annoying when they bag AMD cards too...but at least they criticize both AMD and NVDA when warranted.
I find them to be both credible and thorough.

 

[SolMiester]

I dont see any issues with the way [H] did the review.

 

[el etro]

I never forget this test from [H]:

What a big fail to promote Kepler here...

 

[Z15CAM]

It's obvious Hawaii has heat issues but you can't dismiss it's massive 512-Bit bus and 4GB vRam with a GPU that can run at 1170/1500+ Mhz (Pending Ram Mfgr) on air at 94C. Hawaii could be capable of nearing 1300Mhz or over, with a good bin, at say 1.4v under water with temps below 60C.

In my opinion the Hawaii 290X is a perfect candidate for water and should cost $250 less then the 780Ti at MSRP prices. Fortunately I got my 290X for $549.99 back in November before this Mining Craze dominated prices of GPU's.

 

[wand3r3r]

[H] has zero credibility with Hawaii. They play to their audience.

SO, they have zero credibility with a certain result set YOU don't agree with? Got it. Who has credibility since you have deemed them unusable for reasons unstated?

 

[Grooveriding]

If you cannot handle the results of an established review site, just attack their credibility with nothing but opinion. Priceless.

I have no experience with 290X, but my experience with Titan SLI at 4K agrees with these results; it's not fast enough for pushing max settings without nasty frame drops. It is just not good enough. As far as SLI scaling... maybe, but nvidia has had 4K support for at least five months now and gk110 scales just fine in SLI elsewhere.

I do not see why excuses like poor driver support or attacking the messenger without basis are necessary. Wasn't AMD trumpeting 4K with Hawaii ?

 

[Silverforce11]

I never forget this test from [H]:

What a big fail to promote Kepler here...

I don't get what you are trying to say..

 

[Carfax83]

Impressive high rez performance from the 290x. 4K performance won't be a real determining factor though until 2 or 3 years down the road when that resolution becomes more common and GPUs have the resources to be able to handle it with ease..

 

[-slash-]

I'd like someone to post up some proof [H] plays to a certain audience. Every one of their reviews I have seen is unbiased and to the point. They dont sugarcoat results to pimp a product.

 

[wand3r3r]

Impressive high rez performance from the 290x. 4K performance won't be a real determining factor though until 2 or 3 years down the road when that resolution becomes more common and GPUs have the resources to be able to handle it with ease..

So what do people who buy 4k before this 2-3 years do?

It will not be handled with ease, look at 1080p, they keep adding new techniques to bog down even the best card.

 

[Termie]

I do think 4K is a bit over-hyped, given that the quality screens are above $3,000, potentially prohibitive even to those who'd buy two 290Xs. That being said, it's fairly clear that AMD has the better solution for ultra-high resolutions. Perhaps it's the bandwidth gamble that AMD took that is paying off here. The 290X suffers in regard to power use for that, but something seems to be working in AMD's favor at UHD.

At current prices, the 780 Ti is probably still the better alternative for 1080p/1440p gaming. Too bad $550 aftermarket 290Xs never materialized. That would have been nirvana for gamers.

 

[el etro]

I don't get what you are trying to say..

Putting two golden custom GTX 670/660Ti vs a XFX 7950(a hell of a bad card) overclocked to fight is a ridiculous thing. What if Nvidia have won the test?

But in the test, the 1195Mhz 7950 beats both 1,3Ghz custom 670/660Ti.

 

[Silverforce11]

Affordable 4K screens are coming soon this year, I am really looking forward to it, its so sad my tablet has massively higher PPI than my gaming PC.

 

[Carfax83]

So what do people who buy 4k before this 2-3 years do?

I suppose they'll just dial back the eye candy settings. At least they won't have to worry about about aliasing.

It will not be handled with ease, look at 1080p, they keep adding new techniques to bog down even the best card.

Ok, maybe with ease was pushing it a bit. But 2 or 3 years from now GPUs are going to be so much more powerful. Whereas current GPUs struggle with the resolution (talking about single GPUs here), I reckon GPUs two or three generations down the road should have the resources to be able to run the resolution comfortably.

 

[Silverforce11]

If 2 current GPU can handle 4K, nextgen should be able to handle it with 1 top gpu. It should be the right timing too since cheaper displays are coming.

 

[3DVagabond]

I do think 4K is a bit over-hyped, given that the quality screens are above $3,000, potentially prohibitive even to those who'd buy two 290Xs. That being said, it's fairly clear that AMD has the better solution for ultra-high resolutions. Perhaps it's the bandwidth gamble that AMD took that is paying off here. The 290X suffers in regard to power use for that, but something seems to be working in AMD's favor at UHD.

At current prices, the 780 Ti is probably still the better alternative for 1080p/1440p gaming. Too bad $550 aftermarket 290Xs never materialized. That would have been nirvana for gamers.

Unfortunately the choice is to pay the inflated Newegg pricing for in stock, or you can order from someone like Amazon (DCII @ $579.99) and be put on their B/O list. :\

Mining demand is killing it for gamers.

 

[Hieumungous]

Would the 1gb difference in vram make that much of a difference in performance?

 

[ICDP]

[H] pointed out that the GTX 780TI cards throttled back to their core clock speed and stayed there during the tests. Brent makes it clear why this is happening in the post below.

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1040581044&postcount=49

GTX780 (and Ti) are set at 80c target temperatures and in these tests they were hitting 83c.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2014...tion_edition_crossfire_review/10#.UuoKl_RdWq0

We all know R9 290/X has a much higher target temp of 95c so the cards in the test don't throttle as they get nowhere near that temperature.

Raising the target temperature in the 780Ti SLI would reduce the deficit in performance.