[H] Yet again say SLI is smoother than crossfire

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Ferzerp

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In chimax's world, if any individual doesn't own every video card combination in existence, the people who *have* tested them, aren't allowed to point out flaws, if the flaw is in an amd product.

Reviewers say there is an issue, but that is invalid, because posters in a thread don't all have both sli and cfx...

The logic is baffling.

edit: all the while, trying to establish himself as an authority, when he is satisfied with the performance of single card solutions at 2560x1440... Which is rather telling in regards to his ability to decern performance via the naked eye. Oh wait, I don't currently own 2x 7970's, so I must not know what I'm talking about.
 
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VulgarDisplay

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In chimax's world, if any individual doesn't own every video card combination in existence, the people who *have* tested them, aren't allowed to point out flaws, if the flaw is in an amd product.

Reviewers say there is an issue, but that is invalid, because posters in a thread don't all have both sli and cfx...

The logic is baffling.

edit: all the while, trying to establish himself as an authority, when he is satisfied with the performance of single card solutions at 2560x1440... Which is rather telling in regards to his ability to decern performance via the naked eye. Oh wait, I don't currently own 2x 7970's, so I must not know what I'm talking about.

Instead of just outright trying to bash him you could try reading what he said. He basically contradicted Hard OCP's subjective evidence with his own subjective evidence. Just because he didn't outright claim that Nvidia cured cancer and that AMD gave him aids does not mean you have to personally attack him.
 

Keysplayr

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Instead of just outright trying to bash him you could try reading what he said. He basically contradicted Hard OCP's subjective evidence with his own subjective evidence. Just because he didn't outright claim that Nvidia cured cancer and that AMD gave him aids does not mean you have to personally attack him.

Boy, I wish you'd come to my rescue after all the personal attacks I've received here. sigh.
 

Ferzerp

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I'm not attacking anyone. He's outright calling anyone who doesn't accept him as an authority over reviewers who do this day in and day out an "nvidia troll".

He's attacking everyone else. However, since you agree with him, you're blind to that.

*Every* single time someone mentions the issues with crossfire, a specific group of posters dogpile them, call anyone agreeing with the poster names, troll, etc, and pretend it's not an issue. It goes this way every* time. I'm not sure why the mods let it continue. Eventually, instead of the troublemakers being dealt with, the thread gets locked, and so stifled again.
 
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VulgarDisplay

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Boy, I wish you'd come to my rescue after all the personal attacks I've received here. sigh.

Honestly, the way you post doesn't come across as someone who wants to be defended. You're just here to stir up drama in order to keep your free hardware coming in. As was stated earlier, you are basically making mountains out of molehills to draw attention.
 
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chimaxi83

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In chimax's world, if any individual doesn't own every video card combination in existence, the people who *have* tested them, aren't allowed to point out flaws, if the flaw is in an amd product.

Reviewers say there is an issue, but that is invalid, because posters in a thread don't all have both sli and cfx...

The logic is baffling.

edit: all the while, trying to establish himself as an authority, when he is satisfied with the performance of single card solutions at 2560x1440... Which is rather telling in regards to his ability to decern performance via the naked eye. Oh wait, I don't currently own 2x 7970's, so I must not know what I'm talking about.

*discern

I won't name specific names, because most of us can, but the Nvidia trolls I refer to are people in this thread with ZERO multi GPU experience, who are just here to stir crap up. There are quite a few.

You should seriously try to understand what I'm saying in my posts. Read them again. Open up dictionary.com, if you need help with definitions. Then, learn to respond with something other than your ever present useless sarcasm, and maybe, just maybe, you can get somewhere with your posts. What's good for [H] is good for them, great, don't care. What's good for Ferzerp is wonderful! Great! Couldn't really care less. What's good for me, is all that matters to me. See the definition of "subjective". It's all I care about. What's good for the games I play, with my system, on my screen, at the settings I use, is all that matters to me, not what you think is "acceptable". You fail at trying to come off as elitist.

Also, an authority? WTF are you talking about dude? You're delusional. My "authority" begins and ends at my system. You're seriously weird with the way you pull crap out of thin air, and the way you put words in my mouth. Quite the feminine skill to have, I feel like this is an ex-girlfriend argument, seeing only what you want to see, and twisting the little bit you saw into what you think you saw.

Weirdos.
 

3DVagabond

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In chimax's world, if any individual doesn't own every video card combination in existence, the people who *have* tested them, aren't allowed to point out flaws, if the flaw is in an amd product.

Reviewers say there is an issue, but that is invalid, because posters in a thread don't all have both sli and cfx...

The logic is baffling.

You know I've actually asked reviewers who have done SLI/Crossfire reviews, and have made no mention of smoothness, if one was better than the other. The answer has always been, "Outside of a particular game or two, there is no difference".

Also, SLI being smoother in the conclusion seems to contradict the context of the review itself.

Sleeping Dogs has proven to be a graphics challenge even on a single-display, so when expanding to three displays the demand is that much greater. We were able to run it at the highest resolution of 5760x1200 with the highest in-game settings on both GTX 680 SLI and HD 7970 GHz Edition CrossFireX. The primary option that caused the most decrease in framerate was the AA settings. We found that different AA settings were playable between both configurations.

It was clear from the get-go that AMD Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition CrossFireX was a lot faster in this game. We were able to play at the "High Quality" AA option. This enables High FXAA and Medium SSAA. The fact that we are running at Medium SSAA at 5760x1200 is incredible to begin with. The performance was there with HD 7970 GHz Edition CrossFireX that we were averaging 50 FPS and performance was smooth.

This was not the case with GeForce GTX 680 SLI. When we tried to play at High Quality AA performance was a lot slower, and we will show you this in the apples-to-apples performance. The only option that was playable was the lower "Normal Quality" AA. At Normal AA FXAA is at Normal and there is no SSAA at all. Raw performance was higher than the AMD setup, but the overall image quality was a lot less with the lower AA settings. Visually, and in terms of the overall gameplay experience AMD Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition CrossFireX was superior in this game.

In Sleeping Dogs the 7970 crossfire was superior

In Max Payne 3 we were able to play at 5760x1200 with both setups, with the highest in-game settings. Once again it came down to what AA settings were playable. We started off with FXAA, and found this to be playable on both setups, so we pushed the MSAA setting up to the highest playable setting. We found that this was 2X MSAA on both GTX 680 SLI and HD 7970 GHz Edition CrossFireX. We find this impressive because MSAA in this game does cause a large performance drop, and at this resolution it is even greater.

While the gameplay was the same between both video card configurations, technically AMD Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition CrossFireX was faster by 9% in this game.

Here, it was the same gameplay wise. The 9% difference in performance couldn't be leveraged to improve gameplay.

In Battlefield 3 Single Player we experienced a distinct performance difference between GTX 680 SLI and HD 7970 GHz Edition CrossFireX. In this game, there was a performance advantage on the 7970 GHz Edition CrossFireX platform. This performance advantage allowed us to play this game with 4X MSAA enabled in the game, meaning the game was running at its highest possible in-game settings at 5760x1200. The GeForce GTX 680 SLI was a bit slower, and struggled at 4X MSAA for an overall unplayable experience. We had to drop the AA setting to 2X MSAA, and then it was playable at 5760x1200.

The framerate in the table shows the GTX 680 SLI being faster, but this is with a lower 2X MSAA versus 4X MSAA on the 7970 GHz Edition CrossFireX. Note also that it is only a frame difference on average, yet 7970 GHz Edition CrossFireX is running a whole MSAA level higher. In the apples-to-apples tests below you'll see just how much faster CrossFireX is at the same settings.

In BF3 single player 7970 crossfire dominated the 680's forcing lower IQ settings.

Battlefield 3 Multiplayer is more demanding than the single player mode. Also, we aim for higher framerates in multiplayer for smooth gameplay and the best multiplayer experience possible. Once again though, just as we saw in single player, there is a distinct performance advantage under AMD Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition CrossFireX.

With AMD Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition CrossFireX we were able to play at 5760x1200 with 2X MSAA and the highest in-game settings. This is good because this gives gamers a choice in AA. There are many that don't like FXAA due to possible issues of blurring textures. In this case, HD 7970 GHz Edition CrossFireX is powerful enough that you don't have to use it at 5760x1200. You can turn off FXAA and instead use 2X MSAA, still giving you MSAA, but with the sharpest textures possible. Now, we did disable motion blur, to give us the "smoothest" experience under HD 7970 GHz Edition CrossFireX. We didn't have to do this with GTX 680 SLI.

With GeForce GTX 680 SLI you do not have the above option. 2X MSAA is unplayable, so your only options are playing with FXAA or No AA. Since No AA looks bad in multiplayer, our only option for playability is FXAA. What is even more remarkable is that even with a higher 2X MSAA setting, HD 7970 GHz Edition CrossFireX is still providing us higher framerates compared to GTX 680 SLI with FXAA in multiplayer, granted motion blur is off but that really doesn't affect framerates, it is more of a smoothness feeling it helps with.

Looks like the 7970's are better here too. (Note the bolded part and the comment on how that helps smoothness.)

We turned on 2X MSAA on both GTX 680 SLI and 7970 GHz Edition CrossFireX. AMD Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition CrossFireX is 34% faster. However, also notice how much the framerate jumps all over the place with CrossFireX, whereas with GTX 680 SLI it is more consistent. This consistency helps provide GTX 680 SLI gaming with smoothness, whereas with 7970 GHz Edition CrossFireX we notice these wild fluctuations in framerate.

Then further down they say this^. This looks like a classic case of being influenced by the benchmark results. But, let's say that we are going to accept this assessment. It's 3 games, not much at all really, and 4 tests. Only in one of the four, do they make any mention of smoother gameplay for nVidia.

Per usual, there is more than just performance, i.e. framerates, when determining the "best" platform for gaming. We of course speak about the real-world "feel" of gaming between SLI and CrossFireX on a multi-display setup. There is no question that SLI feels smoother, thanks to the added technology that NVIDIA employs to address this very topic. That said, you can still have a good experience with AMD CrossFireX in Eyefinity given enough framerates. In those terms, this is where AMD CrossFireX has excelled today in our testing.

Once again the bolded part seems like classic subjective response being influenced by what the reviewer's been told. He's been told it will be smoother because of nVidia's frame metering tech, therefore he perceives that it's smoother. This is why subjective testing has to be done double blind. If the reviewer knows what hardware is in use it's impossible to not be biased by that knowledge.

Overall this review makes a pretty weak case for nVidia superiority in any way. Actually, if someone were to buy 680's over 7970's based on this review it would be pretty obvious they didn't read the review and jumped straight to the conclusion. Or, suffered from a major lack of reading comprehension.
 

Siberian

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This article is causing a lot of buyers remorse amongst the AMD crowd.

It should serve as a warning to others, until AMD fixes the problem.
 

VulgarDisplay

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This article is causing a lot of buyers remorse amongst the AMD crowd.

It should serve as a warning to others, until AMD fixes the problem.

I think your avatar is actually a self portrait because you can't possibly be a human being.
 

Siberian

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It's not an article. It's a review and you really need to read it.

I did read it and this is what we are all talking about "There is no question that SLI feels smoother, thanks to the added technology that NVIDIA employs to address this very topic."
 

3DVagabond

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I did read it and this is what we are all talking about "There is no question that SLI feels smoother, thanks to the added technology that NVIDIA employs to address this very topic."

That's one line from the review, not the entire review. If you read the review you'll find that it contradicts that conclusion.
 

Siberian

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That's one line from the review, not the entire review. If you read the review you'll find that it contradicts that conclusion.

So everyone should post the entire review from now on? That is their conclusion and your denial of it does not make it less relevant. If anything it makes it more relevant when you see someone trying to sweep something under the rug.
 

badb0y

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So everyone should post the entire review from now on? That is their conclusion and your denial of it does not make it less relevant. If anything it makes it more relevant when you see someone trying to sweep something under the rug.

There's is no data to support that claim for example I can claim that my computer sounds like a leaf blower but when you look at the data it contradicts this claim, would you take my word over the data I present to you?

I just don't think we have enough evidence that supports the claim and that's the whole reason the other thread was created by Keysplayr so we can accumulate more data that may confirm what the reviewer was talking about.
 

Will Robinson

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This article is causing a lot of buyers remorse amongst the AMD crowd.

It should serve as a warning to others, until AMD fixes the problem.

I can't seem to find any of those vast hordes of disgruntled Radeon buyers anywhere...maybe my Google Foo is failing
Guess I could try over at AlienBabyTech as a last resort tho....:whiste:
Please post some hyperlinks and I'll start reading their personal accounts of this outrageous scandal.
 

NIGELG

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Just as I expected this thread has gone into a total Wreckage mode.

Can we get some disgruntled AMD crossfire owners to respond,please?D:
 

3DVagabond

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So everyone should post the entire review from now on? That is their conclusion and your denial of it does not make it less relevant. If anything it makes it more relevant when you see someone trying to sweep something under the rug.

No. Only what they need to to back up a point they are making. When someone presents a counter point the response shouldn't be to resort back to the one liner that's already been countered. You can repeat that one line ad nauseam, but it's still not going to take precedence over the information presented in the main review. It's really quite desperate looking to cling to one sentence to base the entire conclusion on that somehow nVidia is better, when the review shows otherwise.

I'm not sweeping anything anywhere, just trying to slow down the FUD flow.
 

96Firebird

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That has absolutely nothing to do with him saying he isn't interested, yet still posts in the thread multiple times. Care to make the connection for me?

I'm just as interested as Nvidia trolls with no Crossfire (and even SLI) experience are

Blah blah blah, everyone is a troll. We get it, you are mad. Calling people trolls does not accomplish anything, except you get to high-five all your internet buddies!

I don't understand why you would post in a thread about something you are not interested in. I don't go to the console gaming forum and open a thread about the PS4 rumors, because I'm not interested in the PS4. Makes sense, right?
 

SickBeast

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Just as I expected this thread has gone into a total Wreckage mode.

Can we get some disgruntled AMD crossfire owners to respond,please?D:
Fine, I'll bite. I had 7850/7870 frankenfire and I had quite a bit of microstutter in BF3 depending on clockspeeds and settings. It was a very inconsistent experience and I actually did better running the game on a single 7870.

Now, those AMD cards earned me quite a bit in bitcoins so I can see past the shortcomings. Heck, there could have been visual artifacts and I would not have cared seeing as the cards were effectively free to me because of the bitcoins.
 

Rvenger

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there's a micro stuttering problem???

with my parkinsons the video looks perfect, it's not supposed to look like that?


I think its obvious now that not everyone is experiencing this microstutter. It's probably because the reviewers install the cards without properly removing/reinstalling drivers and profiles.
 
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