[H] Yet again say SLI is smoother than crossfire

[SirPauly]

I love how the NV fanboys conveniently ignore this and pretend like they aren't making a mountain out of a molehill.

I say bring on the testing but some fanboys are just trying to create some distraction from the fact NV has lost the performance crown. NV isn't the fastest (single gpu) card in the town atm.

Quick pull up the blinders and ignore these in the supposed quest for objective information.

I am very pro nVidia based on I feel they make more of a commitment towards PC gaming experiences, which is subjective. I think its wonderful that AMD has taken the single GPU PC performance leadership, offering wonderful price performance and compelling choice and many strengths for a prospective gamer to decide. Without strong competition from both nVidia and AMD, one may see their predator teeth devouring value, innovation and improved gaming experiences. I rather see their predator teeth feed on each other than gamers over-all.

HardOCP and Techreport have their findings -- one may dismiss it, attack them, attack the messengers but asking for more investigation and data from these web-sites and hopefully other web-sites makes a lot of sense to some. By exploring and investigating smoothness offers more data to prospective gamers, and if there are problems from nVidia or AMD, hopefully the awareness generated may improve their products to their customers.

 

[wand3r3r]

I am very pro nVidia based on I feel they make more of a commitment towards PC gaming experiences, which is subjective. I think its wonderful that AMD has taken the single GPU PC performance leadership, offering wonderful price performance and compelling choice and many strengths for a prospective gamer to decide. Without strong competition from both nVidia and AMD, one may see their predator teeth devouring value, innovation and improved gaming experiences. I rather see their predator teeth feed on each other than gamers over-all.

HardOCP and Techreport have their findings -- one may dismiss it, attack them, attack the messengers but asking for more investigation and data from these web-sites and hopefully other web-sites makes a lot of sense to some. By exploring and investigating smoothness offers more data to prospective gamers, and if there are problems from nVidia or AMD, hopefully the awareness generated may improve their products to their customers.

Russian just had some great points.

I have noticed you're one of the few who admits to being a fanboy while still respecting the other side and competition. That aside, this whole issue is seemingly getting skewed and appears to almost be guilty until proven innocent by certain nv fans.

I'm all for empirical evidence, I just don't know if I agree there is evidence at this point to declare more than the need to gather evidence. Keys is already trying to smear with the completely unfounded statements that amd has increased performance through quality decreases which is clearly nothing more than fud or a smear attempt as there's been no evidence that suggests that.

 

[SirPauly]

Personally admire Russian based on strong convictions and consistency on price/performance and over-clocking -- AMD has a lot of these strengths and if nVidia did at this time -- Russian would offer a strong debate there as well, imho!

 

[NIGELG]

Personally admire Russian based on strong convictions and consistency on price/performance and over-clocking -- AMD has a lot of these strengths and if nVidia did at this time -- Russian would offer a strong debate there as well, imho!

Why don't you respond to this statement by that poster you quoted?....''Keys is already trying to smear with the completely unfounded statements that amd has increased performance through quality decreases which is clearly nothing more than fud or a smear attempt as there's been no evidence that suggests that.'' by wand3r3r.

 

[Lepton87]

As an advocate for smoother gaming, noticed the hardware frame metering wording for the GTX 690 and had a desire to know more about it. In the live pc perspective review and chat - I tried to garner some data about it from nVidia and basically received: " SirPauly, good to see you here, sorry, we're not here today to talk about hardware frame metering!"

In other words, received nothing but at least I did get a response.

I like it smooth as well Sadly, from the response you got I can only conclude that it is nothing more than marketing fluff Who was the guy you asked that question to? I guess it was not an engineer but a marketeer. It's always a waste of time talking to them.

 

[SirPauly]

Keys is entitled to his opinion! Just like the posters that think PhysX or TXAA is crap -- don't usually raise personal aspects. Attacking or personal aspects are not very constructive, but more-so disruptive -- one may not like nVidia or AMD or their features and its okay by me.

 

[Final8ty]

Keys is entitled to his opinion! Just like the posters that think PhysX or TXAA is crap -- don't usually raise personal aspects. Attacking or personal aspects are not very constructive, but more-so disruptive -- one may not like nVidia or AMD or their features and its okay by me.

But PhysX or TXAA opinions are based on facts of personal tastes and not well i had a a thought and maybe.

 

[SirPauly]

I like it smooth as well Sadly, from the response you got I can only conclude that it is nothing more than marketing fluff Who was the guy you asked that question to? I guess it was not an engineer but a marketeer. It's always a waste of time talking to them.

I have no idea -- had a nVidia tag in the Chat!

 

[SirPauly]

But PhysX or TXAA opinions are based of facts of personal tastes.

Surly subjective, but yet these subjects get personal at times, too - don't understand it.

 

[Lepton87]

Keys is entitled to his opinion! Just like the posters that think PhysX or TXAA is crap -- don't usually raise personal aspects. Attacking or personal aspects are not very constructive, but more-so disruptive -- one may not like nVidia or AMD or their features and its okay by me.

There is a difference, he is doing his job on this forum in a way that people don't like. He can do it in a more civilized manner, like IntelEnthusiast does on a CPU forum. I have never seen him bashing or even commenting on competitor's products.

 

[Final8ty]

Surly subjective, but yet these subjects get personal at times, too - don't understand it.

Liking something or not is personal and you cant make someone else like it.
Understanding the technology is irrelevant, You either like how it looks or you don't.

 

[Lepton87]

I have no idea -- had a nVidia tag in the Chat!

Surely a sales person, engineers have better things to do than to chat anonymously.

 

[SirPauly]

You either like how it looks or you don't.

Indeed! Allow the market to decide over-all. One can only speak for themselves.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Keys is entitled to his opinion!

Do you actually believe he will freely offer his honest opinion? Or is he constrained to offering a position that aligns with making Nvidia look as positive as possible? Does Keys really believe AMD is going to be bankrupt in 2-3 weeks? Does he actually believe AMD found substantial increases in performance at the expense of "smoothness" or some other nearly unmeasurable metric? Or is it highly likely that these "opinions" are orchestrated FUD campaigns (very unprofessionally executed in my opinion) that seek to plant just enough doubt in the minds of some. We already know you've made up your mind to only buy Nvidia products, but not everyone is like this. Some are on the fence, a little bit of doubt can swing an opinion one way or the other.

If you honestly desire valuable data that benefits the end user, then you do not look to a paid marketer to get it. Should I ask a Toyota rep who makes the best car for me?

 

[SirPauly]

There is a difference, he is doing his job on this forum in a way that people don't like. He can do it in a more civilized manner, like IntelEnthusiast does on a CPU forum. I have never seen him bashing or even commenting on competitor's products.

That's up to the moderators to decide -- I'm a guest in their forums.

 

[SirPauly]

Do you actually believe he will freely offer his honest opinion? Or is he constrained to offering a position that aligns with making Nvidia look as positive as possible? Does Keys really believe AMD is going to be bankrupt in 2-3 weeks? Does he actually believe AMD found substantial increases in performance at the expense of "smoothness" or some other nearly unmeasurable metric? Or is it highly likely that these "opinions" are orchestrated FUD campaigns (very unprofessionally executed in my opinion) that seek to plant just enough doubt in the minds of some. We already know you've made up your mind to only buy Nvidia products, but not everyone is like this. Some are on the fence, a little bit of doubt can swing an opinion one way or the other.

If you honestly desire valuable data that benefits the end user, then you do not look to a paid marketer to get it. Should I ask a Toyota rep who makes the best car for me?

I think you give Keys way too much credit and power!

 

[AnandThenMan]

I think you give Keys way too much credit and power!

Once again you fail to address legitimate questions posed to you. This thread has 192 posts and counting, so clearly his FUD campaign is garnering a response, including you who has multiple replies.

BTW have you discovered the multi-quote button yet?

 

[SirPauly]

If you have a problem with Keys take it up with him in PM's or report the post. Personal is not constructive but disruptive.

 

[AnandThenMan]

I am questioning the intentions of the source, which is highly understandable. Especially given the history and know paid affiliation with Nvidia. The market needs to decide what is best for them by being given unbiased information.

I welcome the presence of vendor reps I think they have the potential to offer valuable info and insight. But when said reps are on a constant campaign to sling mud at their competitor, it becomes a disruptive and unproductive environment.

 

[omeds]

I think if anything, he has it ass about, and that it's more likely Nv sacrificed performance due to frame metering, than AMD sacrificing quality for more performance.

 

[AnandThenMan]

If true, then let's see some objective testing before jumping to conclusions. My experience doesn't align with this though, I feel the 670 is just simply slower than my 7970. That's how it feels when I play games, and to me that's what matters. I can confirm that with benches, but I'm not big on benching all day I just like to use the card for what it's intended.

 

[omeds]

Yeh thats fair enough, but what about MGPU? I didnt realise he was saying single GPU is less smooth on AMD (did he?).
Many claim SLI feels smoother, as do I. I never hear people claim CFX feels smoother. Where there's smoke.. there's fire (or Fermi )

 

[Final8ty]

Indeed! Allow the market to decide over-all. One can only speak for themselves.

You use "Allow the market to decide over-all" to often when it does not fit.
I decide for myself what i like and don't like, not the market.
I don't drink or smoke because i decide not the market, the food i like, not the market, the music i like, not the market.

The market does not decides one personnel taste a person decides there own tastes, what they like or dislike unless in the case of cloths and style they are a fashion victims.

The market decides what's available which does not mean that i now like it personally because the market decided.

 

[omeds]

The market is dictated by the collection of individuals tastes. ^

 

[Final8ty]

The market is dictated by the collection of individuals tastes. ^

Semantics.

As im talking about what an individual likes and not what a collection of individuals like.

What i personally like is not based on other individuals, hence personally like.
What you personally like should be based on what you like and not based on what others like.