H67 or P67

[onetwo27]

I'm planning to build a system with intel 2nd generation processor. All is well when comes down to selecting the board.

Now the H67 supports integrated graphic and P67 doesn't.

The question is if im going for the H67 board would i be able to add discrete graphic card ?

 

[combust3r]

Yes you would.

 

[coffeejunkee]

You are aware of the fact there are no overclocking features on H67 boards whatsoever? Edit: have to correct myself a bit here: you can overclock the igp (yey?) and I'm also not completely certain about whether you can use the extra turbo bins or not (first I read you couldn't, later someone claimed you could). But the unlocked multiplier on the K models is locked.

 

[Ausm]

If you want to Overclock get the P67 if not still get it for resale value.

 

[SlitheryDee]

If you're going to use a discrete card then definitely get the P67. Adding a graphics card to the H67 shuts off the integrated graphics anyway, so you get none of the benefits that chipset has over the P67 and you can't overclock.

Strangely, you'd have to get one of the unlocked K-series chips if you wanted to get the higher end integrated graphics with H67. So you're stuck with not being able to overclock an unlocked chip with H67 and getting quick-sync and decent graphics, not being able to use the more powerful graphics in your K-series and losing quick-sync with P67, or losing overclocking and quick-sync with H67 and a discrete card.

It seems that no matter which way you go, you're losing something with the current chipset options. I still say you're losing the least with P67 and a discrete card.

 

[onetwo27]

Thanks guys for ur valuable support. This was bugging me a lot. Now gonna close my eyes and get me myself a P67 mobo. Now one more help guys ...

Is the intel's P67 mobo good or get the asus P8P67 mobo ?

 

[onetwo27]

You are aware of the fact there are no overclocking features on H67 boards whatsoever? Edit: have to correct myself a bit here: you can overclock the igp (yey?) and I'm also not completely certain about whether you can use the extra turbo bins or not (first I read you couldn't, later someone claimed you could). But the unlocked multiplier on the K models is locked.

:thumbsup: well said

 

[pitz]

There are some features such as VT-d, and trusted execution, that are not available on the -K processors.

Its a shame that the P67 boards don't tend to support the video. It actually sounds quite good. Certainly quite a step up above the embedded HD4250/HD3300 on the AMD 890GX/790GX chipsets.

 

[Zap]

Is the intel's P67 mobo good or get the asus P8P67 mobo ?

If I were overclocking, I'd get the Asus board.

Its a shame that the P67 boards don't tend to support the video. It actually sounds quite good. Certainly quite a step up above the embedded HD4250/HD3300 on the AMD 890GX/790GX chipsets.

Indeed I think Intel may have the IGP performance crown for now, until AMD updates their stuff.

 

[TexasEd]

Summary for the new guy:

H67 = Integrated Graphics processor support and no CPU overclocking
P67 = No IGP support but CPU overclocking

If this is correct then I think I want the H67 for my needs
(Integrated graphics and no overclocking)

 

[MangoX]

Summary for the new guy:

H67 = Integrated Graphics processor support and no CPU overclocking
P67 = No IGP support but CPU overclocking

If this is correct then I think I want the H67 for my needs
(Integrated graphics and no overclocking)

Correct. However I would still get the P67 and then use a cheap discrete card. I just don't see any point of running these chips at stock.

 

[zeliscar]

Hey, another beginner here...
I'm buying a new computer and I'm trying to get a very decent gaming machine for as little as possible. These are the specs I've decided on so far:
processor: i5 2500
graphics: sapphire radeon 6850 1gb
RAM: kingston 2x2GB DDR3-1333

Now my questions are:

1) Can I use H67 instead of P67 with this setup and if yes would it decrease the performance of the computer in any way if I never plan to overclock?

The reason I want to do this is to save money (Intel H67 is much cheaper compared to ASUS/GA P67s).

2) Is overclocking simple enough to achieve to be worth buying P67 (and everything else) for? I already know that I would also have to buy better RAM and possibly the K version of processor but are there many additional costs like fans, better PSU & Case etc?

The reason I'm asking is I'm willing to pay more if I feel it's worth it and it obviously is to people who know how to do it but since I'm not really an enthusiast or computer expert would I be better off just buying a "non-overclocking" computer?

3) This question doesn't really belog under motherboards, but since I'm already here: are the CPU benchmark ratings like http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html for CPUs overlocked or normal speed? In other words are some CPUs above others because of their overclocking capabilities?

Hope you understood all my questions. Thanks in advance for the answers.

 

[Zap]

Correct. However I would still get the P67 and then use a cheap discrete card. I just don't see any point of running these chips at stock.

Just because you personally don't see a point to something doesn't mean there can't be others that do.

Hey, another beginner here...

Hello, and welcome to AnandTech forums.

I'm buying a new computer and I'm trying to get a very decent gaming machine for as little as possible.

"As little as possible" means getting an AMD dual core.

1) Can I use H67 instead of P67 with this setup and if yes would it decrease the performance of the computer in any way if I never plan to overclock?

Without an overclock, a processor would have the same performance regardless of being on H67 or P67.

2) Is overclocking simple enough to achieve

With the new K series CPUs and the right motherboard, it is a resounding YES. Even if you use the stock CPU heatsink, you can usually overclock to 4GHz. Spend $30 on a mid-range aftermarket heatsink and aim for 4.5GHz.

 

[coffeejunkee]

You'd probably get more responses if you make your own separate thread (or not...)

Quick answers:
1) If you never overclock there is no difference between H67 and P67. A 2500 will run at the same speed on both.

2) Overclocking already was very simple and could be done on budget boards as well (just not as high ofcourse as the topend mobo's). You didn't really need fast ram either. Good cooling was necessary but I would never use the noisy stock cooler anyway. Even a 15$ cooler can get you a decent oc.

Now it's even easier and ram plays no role whatsoever. Because you only overclock the cpu itself (used to be tied, so if you made cpu faster ram would go faster as well). The question is, what kind of oc you have in mind? 4GHz...many boards will do. 5GHz? You'll need something good. But there's still the possibility that your chip just won't go higher than 4.5GHz, regardless of the board.

If you do decide to go with the 2500, it still has some oc options on P67 (max 400MHz on top of the max turbo modes).

3) Those are all at stock.

 

[Pheran]

Quick answers:
1) If you never overclock there is no difference between H67 and P67. A 2500 will run at the same speed on both.

This is mostly but not entirely true, since P67 users get screwed out of the Quick Sync feature, which is a huge win if you do a lot of video transcoding. If you don't plan to overclock, this could be a reason to prefer H67. Right now you still have to jump through hoops to use Quick Sync if you are installing a discrete GPU on H67, but there's some software in development that may fix that.

I've been researching Sandy Bridge and this whole situation irritates the hell out of me, I was thinking about getting my first Intel chip in years but I may just say the heck with it and go AMD again.

 

[imported_mystro]

get it for resale value.

Ya..but only if he get's rid of it very soon but then u know dem geeks will wonder why?

...I don't buy used MB's since I hit the lotto

 

[coffeejunkee]

This is mostly but not entirely true, since P67 users get screwed out of the Quick Sync feature, which is a huge win if you do a lot of video transcoding. If you don't plan to overclock, this could be a reason to prefer H67. Right now you still have to jump through hoops to use Quick Sync if you are installing a discrete GPU on H67, but there's some software in development that may fix that.

I've been researching Sandy Bridge and this whole situation irritates the hell out of me, I was thinking about getting my first Intel chip in years but I may just say the heck with it and go AMD again.

Thanks for the addition.

I'm also getting irritated by these limitations. I almost did what Intel wants me to do, buy a P67+2500K and a H67+2500K. Then I decided it was just silly and wasting money, so I settled on P67+2400 and H67+2100. But I just couldn't order a cpu that can't overclock...

The situation isn't helped by the fact Intel underestimated demand for K versions. As a result most shop over here sold out in a short amount of time and the ones that still have stock added a nice price premium. The wait for restock may be long, some shops say it could take until march...which might coincide nicely with Z68 chipset (or Bulldozer...)

 

[TexasEd]

Correct. However I would still get the P67 and then use a cheap discrete card. I just don't see any point of running these chips at stock.

I want the onboard video processing capabilities of the SB chip to be used for video ripping to a media server. From what I understand that is only available with the H67 chipset.