hacker show on USA - Mr. Robot

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MongGrel

Lifer
Dec 3, 2013
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Outlander is awesome, well the first season. I have been meaning to watch season 2

I think I watched the first 5 or so Outlanders the first season thinking the wife would like them, and she didn't seem interested for some reason so I gave up. It did seem like something she would like, but oddly, it wasn't.
 
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Skel

Diamond Member
Apr 11, 2001
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Ah, yes, looking it up now it is confirmed. I figured that to be the case but was waiting for a real reveal, figuring Esmail was going to draw it out and not just give us the direct confirmation by way of the wardrobe.



I don't think it has anything to do with being afraid of outing himself as a cross-dresser. Rather, it's all about ensuring people are not aware of his multiple roles: he's the minister of state security, and he's also a massive organizer/head of a hacking outfit. His crossdressing is presumably the only way he felt comfortable being able to play both roles, because if he was outed as being both, I'm sure he'd be in a world of shit. He couldn't just say, "oh, they are my dresses because I do something else when not acting as a Chinese official."

For the longest time though, I just thought Whiterose was an incredibly ugly woman. But after seeing the wardrobe scene with the minister, I was almost certain he was crossdressing, but couldn't guarantee it. But as BD Wong is credited as Whiterose (never thought to look it up before!), that confirms suspicions.


However, a wiki on the show claims Whiterose is actually transgender, and delineates male and female behavior between his dual roles. I don't know if that has been explicitly confirmed or is just a hunch... he's definitely crossdressing, good enough to make me think it's just an ugly woman, but I don't know if that's to separate the roles or is how he'd prefer to dress and behave if not for his role in the government (of which you are correct, being a crossdresser or transgender would never fly for a Chinese official).

While I accept we're talking about a show that attempts to be sly (badly most of the time) I do however think you're over complicating it. Sometimes a guy in drag is just a guy in drag...
 

Gryz

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Aug 28, 2010
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Lots of theories around.
Time-travel, aliens, personalities hopping into other bodies, blah blah blah
. Lots of bullshit. I don't believe those. I rather not even read about them.

But there are a few theories that are actually remarkable.
- Angela is seeing her dead mother. Just like Elliot is seeing his dead dad. That's why she constantly had those awkward pauses. She's listening to her mother (or even talking to her). Give-away ? When her mother takes control, he likes to bang old dudes.

- Elliot is not the main personality of our protagonist. Another, a third personality is the main character. Both Elliot and his dad are "extra personalities". Give-away ? In S01E04, in the dream sequence, Angela says "you were only born a month ago" and "you are afraid of your monster. do you even know what it is ? .. it doesn't fit ... (a key!) .. why not ? ... isn't it obvious ? you're not elliot. you're <inaudible>" ..... Also in S01E10, Elliot yells at his father "you are not real", and Mr Robot answers "and you are ?".

- Mr Robot is the main character. He pushed his kid out the window. Little Elliot died. Mr Robot feels blame, and develops this habit of talking to his son. So much that Elliot becomes part of Dad's personality. No give-aways. I don't think this one is true. But it could be.
 
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BrokenVisage

Lifer
Jan 29, 2005
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i don't think it has anything to do with being afraid of outing himself as a cross-dresser. Rather, it's all about ensuring people are not aware of his multiple roles: he's the minister of state security, and he's also a massive organizer/head of a hacking outfit. His crossdressing is presumably the only way he felt comfortable being able to play both roles, because if he was outed as being both, I'm sure he'd be in a world of shit. He couldn't just say, "oh, they are my dresses because I do something else when not acting as a Chinese official."

For the longest time though, I just thought Whiterose was an incredibly ugly woman. But after seeing the wardrobe scene with the minister, I was almost certain he was crossdressing, but couldn't guarantee it. But as BD Wong is credited as Whiterose (never thought to look it up before!), that confirms suspicions.


However, a wiki on the show claims Whiterose is actually transgender, and delineates male and female behavior between his dual roles. I don't know if that has been explicitly confirmed or is just a hunch... he's definitely crossdressing, good enough to make me think it's just an ugly woman, but I don't know if that's to separate the roles or is how he'd prefer to dress and behave if not for his role in the government (of which you are correct, being a crossdresser or transgender would never fly for a Chinese official).

Whiterose does squat to pee on that former E-Corp CEO's grave in a recent scene, FWIW.
 

Imp

Lifer
Feb 8, 2000
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So, that was the finale. If something happened, I don't what it was.
 

BrokenVisage

Lifer
Jan 29, 2005
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So, that was the finale. If something happened, I don't what it was.

Unfortunately, I expected nothing less. Guess we'll have to wait for Season 3, which begins with Elliot waking up unharmed not knowing what happened the past 3 days... again.
 

Udgnim

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Apr 16, 2008
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Unfortunately, I expected nothing less. Guess we'll have to wait for Season 3, which begins with Elliot waking up unharmed not knowing what happened the past 3 days... again.

with Tyrell revealed to be real, the 3 days was probably Mr. Robot taking full control of Elliot, setting up Stage 2 plans with Tyrell & Dark Army, and Dark Army hiding Tyrell

no idea about what caused the bullet casing at the Fun Society Arcade
 

Anubis

No Lifer
Aug 31, 2001
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im actually curious is someone in the DA knows the Elliot is more or less crazy, I mean they prob do because Leon told them, but it seems almost too convenient that he gets shot and then is immediately taken care of (presumably by medical staff set up by the DA). its like Mr robot told them I will rando try and stop this and Tyrell will have to shoot me...but its all part of the plan

WR obviously told Angela what she needed to know as she seems fully onboard with whatever at this point
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
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Okay, I'm caught up now. Just finished Season 2. Figure I can skip spoilers since the last post here is a year old:
  • Season 1 was a LOT better
  • I felt like Season 2 was trying to be brooding & mysterious & deep, but it didn't really connect to anything, if you know what I mean. Like when Angela meets WhiteRose...I know what they were going for with the weirdness, but it was too much of a stretch without anything to back it. Like the later seasons of Lost when they quit delivering answers.
  • Well, at least we know that Tyrell is still alive
  • And hooooooly crap is his wife psycho
  • Curious to see what's so important about the Washington Plant. Maybe they're making nukes & that's why their parents got sick?
  • I think the part I enjoyed the most was when the FBI lady walked Mr. Robot's sister into the room with the spider diagram...that was a slick reveal
 

Rifter

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Im not sure im going to watch season 3. Season 1 was epic, season 2 felt like it was going in the wrong direction. Season 1 just felt so much better. Who knows maybe they can turn it back around.
 

Skel

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Apr 11, 2001
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Season two was strange to me. The fact they went back to the well of him not being straight with the audience just wasn't done well. There really wasn't any way to
know he was in prison until the reveal.
Even then, it felt forced and pointless. The only thing worse was the strange attempts at character building. The scene with the FBI lady talking to her Amazon echo "Alexa, do you love me?" was one of the worst product placement demos I've ever sat through. It just kept going and going..
 

rh71

No Lifer
Aug 28, 2001
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Having started this thread long ago, season 2 made me give up on it entirely. It was that bad.
 

Elixer

Lifer
May 7, 2002
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Having started this thread long ago, season 2 made me give up on it entirely. It was that bad.
Sadly, pretty much this.
Though, I still will look at the first episode this season, to see if there might be a good reason to watch it, but, I am doubting it.
 
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jackstar7

Lifer
Jun 26, 2009
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I never got around to season 2, but I might plow through before Season 3 starts. I think the first season hit so well and strong because he effectively had unlimited time to think it all through and probably didn't expect something like it to wind up being well-received... so then he needs to come up with a season 2 in a way shorter time frame and try to match a level of success that's hard to hit on tv in general. I'm hopeful that season 2 was a learning season for Esmail (like the drop in quality ST:TNG's sophomore effort) and he'll be able to clean up the mess (that it sounds like ssn 2 is) and hopefully salvage something stronger.

Yeah, this is something I think about.
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
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Season two was strange to me. The fact they went back to the well of him not being straight with the audience just wasn't done well. There really wasn't any way to
know he was in prison until the reveal.
Even then, it felt forced and pointless. The only thing worse was the strange attempts at character building. The scene with the FBI lady talking to her Amazon echo "Alexa, do you love me?" was one of the worst product placement demos I've ever sat through. It just kept going and going..

Yes on both counts. The reveal was great, totally unexpected - but yeah, pointless. And I typically don't mind product placement, if it's done right, but the Echo scene felt empty. Like yeah, we're putting this in because this is something that people have & therefore we are a techy & relatable show because you have probably done with this yours when you're sleepy & bored. It was a yawn scene.

I'm not really sure where it all went wrong. Season 1 was in the flow, Season 2 was in the grind. Season 2 just felt disconnected & felt like it was doing lip service to the ideas of Season 1. There were a lot of really intriguing episodes in the first season. I think it was more intense & also had more sub-plots that were constantly evolving; the second season felt a little bit too "big picture". Like what's the deal with Angela at the end being totally calm about everything on the phone with Tyrell? They didn't really build things up in the subtext to make things click properly like they should have.

I'll definitely watch the third seasons, but I'll wait until all of the episodes have aired (or dropped all at once? not sure how it's distributed) to binge it.
 

JM Aggie08

Diamond Member
Jan 3, 2006
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I really didn't think that season 2 was that bad... I quite like it actually.

Not everything can be Breaking Bad, you damn elitists.
 

Charmonium

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May 15, 2015
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Some interesting changes this season, like with Angela. That was weird. You can sorta see where this is going though in terms of Eliot working at Evil Corp. I hope they're going to surprise us though.

I enjoyed the premier but I have some reservations. It didn't have the same feel.

Do we know what the motivation of the Dark Army is or are we waiting to see?
 
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