hacker show on USA - Mr. Robot

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Axon

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Isn't a lot of hacking mobile these days? I guess that hasn't trickled down yet. Or wouldn't be relevant to this show.
 

qliveur

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Ditto. I knew of a few who spent time looking for psychedelics and nootropics, etc. It was their glitch to be tokers and experimenters.

Smart though. ( first time I'd heard that pi soundtrack...) and usually, more insane than stable. I'd probably expect to see them in a cheap suit and a minivan, driving their kids around the suburbs, it was the quirky 90s when hacking was aligned with counterculture, etc. Naive days.

At times, Mr Robot seems more like a 90s story script, updated 20+ years with current events and ideas. There's some dated hacker references, mostly the scripts used to dictionary cracking, and the ransomware/ RAT on a CDr.

They just need a flip phone to show up, or a pager.
Damn. Superlurker.

Mine!
 

destrekor

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Your comments on drug usage are on point. I know a decent amount of people in the InfoSec universe and most did some kind of drugs as a teenager. The whole "hacker culture" was largely started by people who largely didn't fit in with normal society, hated rules, and were naturally curious. It's changing somewhat but the effects still linger.

I'd argue it's still not exactly changing. That's the nature of man - the ones who either identify with counter-culture ideals or otherwise find themselves curious enough to challenge security systems, are likely ones who enjoy experimenting with substances of different kinds. Legal highs, illegal highs, a variety of supplements... it all largely goes together with the kind of people drawn to poke around where they "shouldn't."

I feel like I would have naturally been in the black hat scene if I challenged myself to learn more - it fits everything about me in many ways. I could still get into that - I've been curious about following the cybersecurity wave. lol

Ditto. I knew of a few who spent time looking for psychedelics and nootropics, etc. It was their glitch to be tokers and experimenters.

Smart though. ( first time I'd heard that pi soundtrack...) and usually, more insane than stable. I'd probably expect to see them in a cheap suit and a minivan, driving their kids around the suburbs, it was the quirky 90s when hacking was aligned with counterculture, etc. Naive days.

At times, Mr Robot seems more like a 90s story script, updated 20+ years with current events and ideas. There's some dated hacker references, mostly the scripts used to dictionary cracking, and the ransomware/ RAT on a CDr.

They just need a flip phone to show up, or a pager.

I've just started getting into the nootropics scene. :\

As for some of the hacking references... I'd say dictionary scripts and ransomware are more relevant than ever before - the CD-r bit may have been dated, but not necessarily. It's a great plot device regardless, and the only other means to have incorporated the idea of the RAT would have been a USB device. And while they could/should have used that, there is also a good reason one may avoid that: many firms who employ strong security practices will disable USB storage on network computers. It would be logical if a company like AllSafe did just that.
 

Platypus

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Apr 26, 2001
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I feel like I would have naturally been in the black hat scene if I challenged myself to learn more - it fits everything about me in many ways. I could still get into that - I've been curious about following the cybersecurity wave. lol

Feel free to PM me whenever if you're interested in security :thumbsup:
 

Platypus

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Your comments on drug usage are on point. I know a decent amount of people in the InfoSec universe and most did some kind of drugs as a teenager. The whole "hacker culture" was largely started by people who largely didn't fit in with normal society, hated rules, and were naturally curious. It's changing somewhat but the effects still linger.

Definitely.
 

pyonir

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Dec 18, 2001
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LMAO @ at the two guys watching "Hackers" on TV! Then the line about some TV writers writing this generation's hacker story.

The next scene with whats her face laying on the skee ball machine says "crash and burn" too...not sure it was another nod to Hackers, but couldn't have been a coincidence. :biggrin::thumbsup:
 

pyonir

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Dec 18, 2001
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I am still puzzled by how this got picked up for another season.

Why keep watching it if you don't like it?

Scores on Rottentomatoes is 94% and 97% and on IMDB it's 9.3. So obviously it's doing quite well with most viewers.

So far it's USA's second rated show (behind Suits), so it's doing well for the network.

It was odd it was picked up for a 2nd season for even airing an episode, but obviously it was the right call so far.
 

Elixer

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The only reason is, there is absolutely nothing else on at that time period that isn't a rerun.
 

Charmonium

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I love the show personally. There's the constant internal conflict you get from the narration and I've always had a fondness for good narration. Probably comes from having watched so many documentaries.

And the last episode was really good. The human engineering that enables so many hacks is something that generally gets overlooked in bs shows like CSI Cyber. Most of the time you watch stories like that and just shake your head. It's one thing to suspend disbelief when it's not a major component of the story and something else entirely when it IS the story.

Having said that, some of the scenes were a little over the top. It made the people they were hacking look like cardboard cutouts. But sometimes you need to compress a plotline so the story doesn't turn into a drawn out build up of the events leading to the action. Making some of the peripheral characters caricatures can serve that purpose.

One point that escaped me in the last episode was how the guy in jail figured out who set him up. Is he just taking a wild guess or was there something I missed?
 

dank69

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I love the show personally. There's the constant internal conflict you get from the narration and I've always had a fondness for good narration. Probably comes from having watched so many documentaries.

And the last episode was really good. The human engineering that enables so many hacks is something that generally gets overlooked in bs shows like CSI Cyber. Most of the time you watch stories like that and just shake your head. It's one thing to suspend disbelief when it's not a major component of the story and something else entirely when it IS the story.

Having said that, some of the scenes were a little over the top. It made the people they were hacking look like cardboard cutouts. But sometimes you need to compress a plotline so the story doesn't turn into a drawn out build up of the events leading to the action. Making some of the peripheral characters caricatures can serve that purpose.

One point that escaped me in the last episode was how the guy in jail figured out who set him up. Is he just taking a wild guess or was there something I missed?
Something seemed to click from the pictures he was looking at.

One question I have is what was the point of the security guards that had Tyrell sign something? Was it just simply a plot device to rattle Elliot or was Tyrell signing off on responsibility for letting Elliot stay on premises or something else?
 

Charmonium

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Something seemed to click from the pictures he was looking at.

One question I have is what was the point of the security guards that had Tyrell sign something? Was it just simply a plot device to rattle Elliot or was Tyrell signing off on responsibility for letting Elliot stay on premises or something else?
I like the tribute to Tyrell corporation from Blade Runner.
 

TheAdvocate

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I like the show, but I don't like that it was picked up for another season. It was originally conceptualized as a single movie. I wanted the plot resolution of a limited run series. Feels like it will just get drug out now, indefinitely. I'm growing really tired of shows like that.

I was sick this weekend, so I ended up watching a little bit of the Mr. Robot marathon (especially the pilot), and then some of the Walking Dead season 1 reruns. Reminded me of how much better the dramatic tension was early on. Don't drag these stories out. It just ruins them.
 

destrekor

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You know what's really interesting... it seems the show is no longer hinting toward a Fight Club-style conclusion. They've had Mr. Robot make some more direct interactions instead of only interacting with Elliot, but I don't know if it truly makes it impossible to still wrap it up tidy at the end and say it was all in his head. I don't think I'd be satisfied at all with that conclusion, not at this point. In the beginning, I would rather have not had that revelation but it would have still made sense, but no longer does it seem that way.

I like the show, but I don't like that it was picked up for another season. It was originally conceptualized as a single movie. I wanted the plot resolution of a limited run series. Feels like it will just get drug out now, indefinitely. I'm growing really tired of shows like that.

I was sick this weekend, so I ended up watching a little bit of the Mr. Robot marathon (especially the pilot), and then some of the Walking Dead season 1 reruns. Reminded me of how much better the dramatic tension was early on. Don't drag these stories out. It just ruins them.

Yeah I got caught watching some of the Walking Dead first season episodes again too. Wow, I had remembered the plot lines vividly but as it has been so long since I had watched them, I had forgot how well-executed the drama and tension was in the show, and how important the element of the unknown had been. I mean, I still very much enjoy the show, but there is quite a bit of difference. Obviously the human enemy element didn't show up in Season 1, not significantly, and that's the major plot device in the comics/show for obvious reasons IMHO, but it was still remarkable. You could almost see how those 6 episodes could have been a season 1 for an HBO series or something.

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I do enjoy that it will be more than one season, but I do truly hope they don't plan to continue forever or as long as they can. This seems to be best played out no longer than 3 seasons, any longer and it goes into the realm of ridiculousness. The plot deserves a strong conclusion.
 

dbk

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Mr. Robot is only good because True Detective season 2 sucked so much
 

Charmonium

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The last episode sort of blew my mind with the selective "amnesia" or whatever the fuck that's called. Is there even a name for it? Does shit like that actually happen to people with schizophrenia? That was extremely weird and is a plot device I don't think I've seen before. The amnesia thing is a common trope on soaps but this seems like something very different.
 

MongGrel

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Mr. Robot is only good because True Detective season 2 sucked so much

I'd almost agree I imagine, and have never seen the thing

I thought even the term "hacking" was a bit passe these days, but got me.

I'd never even watched all the old X Files and have worked my way up to season 7.

Kinda odd I didn't watch them much when they were on, I was probably online beta testing games, he he.

Quirky but true.
 
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Childs

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In general the show really keeps you on your toes. Doesn't really stick to any of the common TV show formulas. Kinda refreshing.
 

rumpleforeskin

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Good title sequence in ep9, and especially liked the set design for the 90's computer store.

Still enjoying the show and it feels like they have a good measure of their audience, just after this episodes reveal Elliott says to the audience "you knew it all along didn't you?", which of course we did.

Looking forward to the final episode, its been an unexpected piece of enjoyable TV this year.
 

Childs

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Good title sequence in ep9, and especially liked the set design for the 90's computer store.

Still enjoying the show and it feels like they have a good measure of their audience, just after this episodes reveal Elliott says to the audience "you knew it all along didn't you?", which of course we did.

Looking forward to the final episode, its been an unexpected piece of enjoyable TV this year.

Yeah, and I thought it was a nice touch adding the Pixies - Where is My Mind instrumental when they were in the arcade. Its like the showrunner said 'Yeah, its pretty much Fight Club!'
 

joutlaw

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Really solid show. It's the best thing I've watched this year. Like others have said, really appreciate a techy show that gets the dialog right. The only thing I balked at was the gnome / kde reference.
 
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