Just curious, where did you read this? I don't recall this being the case when I installed the beta version. It was just like Vista IIRC. Unless they made changes, which is very possible.
Originally posted by: Kaido
FYI - Windows 7 creates 2 partitions, the bootloader partition ("System Reserved") and then the Windows partition (whatever you name it, or "Untitled"). When using Chameleon as a bootloader, you need to select the "System Reserved" partition in order to boot up Windows 7. If you select the other partition, it will just give you a boot manager failure notice.
Also, you will see both of these partitions on your desktop. You can access NTFS drives natively (read) in OS X, but you cannot write to them (copy files to the NTFS-formatted drive) without a driver. For that, you need MacFUSE and NTFS-3G (both free). The latest NTFS-3G installer for Mac OS X includes MacFUSE, which you can download here:
http://macntfs-3g.blogspot.com/
Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: DougoMan
Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: DougoMan
The install was about two weeks ago. I'm pretty sure it was the same package, I just upgraded it to 10.5.7 without any trouble.
The only iffy thing I noticed is that I tried updating the BIOS from F7 to F8 or whatever the latest one was and got an error. It won't update anymore but it still has the F7 which is pretty recent.
edit: Also, are you still recommending that we get a seperate Ethernet card? What exactaly is the issue?
I'll try a fresh install on one of my DS3L's when I have a chance. So far I've only tested the ES2L (perfect) and the UD3P (missing audio).
The Ethernet card is only if you want instant wake from sleep for Ethernet. The R1000 driver for the onboard Ethernet takes about 20 seconds to "wake up" after you've woken your computer from sleep. It bugs me, so I use an Ethernet card. The R1000 driver from Psystar is perfect aside from that small bug, so you don't *need* a separate PCI Ethernet card anymore.
That is weird, mine seems to wake right up.
I'm wondering if it affects the boot time? It seems like it has taken a little longer since I activated the driver. Might be my imigination.
Is it normal for it to take two minutes to boot (it's top of the line and new Velcoiraptor. The same PC with windows takes 45 seconds.)
I mean, the computer wakes instantly from sleep, but the network will take a few seconds to wake up (up to 20).
For your boot time, do you have VMware installed? That added some extra boot time for me.
Originally posted by: mosslack
Originally posted by: Kaido
FYI - Windows 7 creates 2 partitions, the bootloader partition ("System Reserved") and then the Windows partition (whatever you name it, or "Untitled"). When using Chameleon as a bootloader, you need to select the "System Reserved" partition in order to boot up Windows 7. If you select the other partition, it will just give you a boot manager failure notice.
Also, you will see both of these partitions on your desktop. You can access NTFS drives natively (read) in OS X, but you cannot write to them (copy files to the NTFS-formatted drive) without a driver. For that, you need MacFUSE and NTFS-3G (both free). The latest NTFS-3G installer for Mac OS X includes MacFUSE, which you can download here:
http://macntfs-3g.blogspot.com/
Just curious, where did you read this? I don't recall this being the case when I installed the beta version. It was just like Vista IIRC. Unless they made changes, which is very possible.
Originally posted by: DougoMan
Nope no VMware. Do you know if a PCI card with additional SATA ports will work?
Originally posted by: mosslack
I have a question on the SATA/IDE ports on the UD3P. How should these be set in BIOS? I always thought they need to be set to enabled so the SATA ports would be seen, but this is not the case. With them disabled the SATA drives can still be seen, but the ATA/IDE drives are not. Also with them enabled, why won't OS X work with the mode set to AHCI? I get much more functionality this way as other items are seen as well. But in order not to get the You need to restart message, I have to set the mode to IDE for OS X to boot. I never tried the RAID mode as I have no desire to use my drives that way.
Originally posted by: Dalorin
Anyone had problems with power management on the ES2L? It occurs to me that my external HDD never spins down. That may be because I'm using it with Time Machine, but TM only does one backup a day, no?
The other issue I'm having is that the external HDD is meant to power off when the PC does. This worked with my laptop and XBox, but not with my ES2L hack. Any ideas? I can't see how that's a hackintosh issue but just thought somebody might know something about the board
Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: mosslack
I have a question on the SATA/IDE ports on the UD3P. How should these be set in BIOS? I always thought they need to be set to enabled so the SATA ports would be seen, but this is not the case. With them disabled the SATA drives can still be seen, but the ATA/IDE drives are not. Also with them enabled, why won't OS X work with the mode set to AHCI? I get much more functionality this way as other items are seen as well. But in order not to get the You need to restart message, I have to set the mode to IDE for OS X to boot. I never tried the RAID mode as I have no desire to use my drives that way.
1. RAID doesn't work because there's no Mac driver for onboard RAID
2. IDE doesn't work because the Jmicron IDE driver is buggy (all versions I tried)
3. AHCI should be enabled
4. Native Mode should be disabled
OS X natively likes AHCI mode. It will function in Native (IDE) mode on the SATA ports (which is there for backwards-compatibility when installed Windows XP on SATA drives from a CD without SATA drivers) because I put the ApplePIIX kext in the package (this supports SATA's IDE mode). I'd recommend just installing the AHCI drivers for Windows if you're dual-booting.
Does that answer your questions?
Originally posted by: Kaido
Oh man oh man oh man:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/0...ith-nvidias-ion-chips/
12" LED netbook with ION for $449...oOOoooOOOooo! :Q
Originally posted by: mosslack
Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: mosslack
I have a question on the SATA/IDE ports on the UD3P. How should these be set in BIOS? I always thought they need to be set to enabled so the SATA ports would be seen, but this is not the case. With them disabled the SATA drives can still be seen, but the ATA/IDE drives are not. Also with them enabled, why won't OS X work with the mode set to AHCI? I get much more functionality this way as other items are seen as well. But in order not to get the You need to restart message, I have to set the mode to IDE for OS X to boot. I never tried the RAID mode as I have no desire to use my drives that way.
1. RAID doesn't work because there's no Mac driver for onboard RAID
2. IDE doesn't work because the Jmicron IDE driver is buggy (all versions I tried)
3. AHCI should be enabled
4. Native Mode should be disabled
OS X natively likes AHCI mode. It will function in Native (IDE) mode on the SATA ports (which is there for backwards-compatibility when installed Windows XP on SATA drives from a CD without SATA drivers) because I put the ApplePIIX kext in the package (this supports SATA's IDE mode). I'd recommend just installing the AHCI drivers for Windows if you're dual-booting.
Does that answer your questions?
No, I think we are talking about 2 different things. In the BIOS under Integrated Peripherals I have my top settings for Sata raid/ahci mode set to achci. Then the next settings sata port 0-3 natvie mode was set to enabled on mine, but I have now changed that to disabled per your comments. My question had to do with the onboard sata/ide device setting down below where I had mine set to enabled. Then the one below is the one which gives the extra functionality that I was talking about, why won't this work in ahci mode? Is this what you were talking about that you couldn't get to work? If so I understand now. I don't use the IDE drive attached to my system as it seems to cause problems, so I guess I just need to set the onboard sata/ide device to disabled and forget about it, right?
Originally posted by: Kaido
So to summarize:
1. UD3P has 2 separate SATA busses (ICH10R and Jmicron)
2. Both busses have individual BIOS settings
3. Settings can be Native (IDE) or AHCI (Mac likes AHCI)
Originally posted by: mosslack
Originally posted by: Kaido
So to summarize:
1. UD3P has 2 separate SATA busses (ICH10R and Jmicron)
2. Both busses have individual BIOS settings
3. Settings can be Native (IDE) or AHCI (Mac likes AHCI)
Yeah, I totally forgot about the extra SATA ports cause I never use them. I think I have a handle on it now, thanks for the explanation.
:light:
Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: mosslack
I have a question on the SATA/IDE ports on the UD3P. How should these be set in BIOS? I always thought they need to be set to enabled so the SATA ports would be seen, but this is not the case. With them disabled the SATA drives can still be seen, but the ATA/IDE drives are not. Also with them enabled, why won't OS X work with the mode set to AHCI? I get much more functionality this way as other items are seen as well. But in order not to get the You need to restart message, I have to set the mode to IDE for OS X to boot. I never tried the RAID mode as I have no desire to use my drives that way.
1. RAID doesn't work because there's no Mac driver for onboard RAID
2. IDE doesn't work because the Jmicron IDE driver is buggy (all versions I tried)
3. AHCI should be enabled
4. Native Mode should be disabled
OS X natively likes AHCI mode. It will function in Native (IDE) mode on the SATA ports (which is there for backwards-compatibility when installed Windows XP on SATA drives from a CD without SATA drivers) because I put the ApplePIIX kext in the package (this supports SATA's IDE mode). I'd recommend just installing the AHCI drivers for Windows if you're dual-booting.
Does that answer your questions?
Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: DougoMan
Nope no VMware. Do you know if a PCI card with additional SATA ports will work?
Like a SATA controller card? Sure, as long as it has Mac support, it should be fine! The best cards are the ones that support Windows & Mac, that way you know you're getting PC hardware that works on a Mac
Originally posted by: volcs0
Kaido,
I'm still trying to get my four-bay TowerRaid to work with my UD3P (link). I tried the included SATA card (SiL 3132), but of course, that did not work (drivers cause KP). All I want is JBOD (not spanning, but each disc mounted individually). I read somewhere that the UD3P gSATA ports (ICH10R) have port multiplier functionality, which is what I need / want for this box. So, I plugged the eSATA extender cable into the gSATA port. But only the first drive mounts (BIOS set to AHCI) - the other three are not seen - thus I am skeptical about the port multiplier functionality.
So, what I'm hoping is that there is either a BIOS answer to this or a KEXT solution. I'm also hoping that you can think of a clever solution.... otherwise, I'll have to hook this thing to my PC...
Thanks.
EDIT: Of course, I could invest in a $100-$200 SATA controller card. But I obviously would rather see if I can get this working using my current hardware investment.
Originally posted by: DougoMan
Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: DougoMan
Nope no VMware. Do you know if a PCI card with additional SATA ports will work?
Like a SATA controller card? Sure, as long as it has Mac support, it should be fine! The best cards are the ones that support Windows & Mac, that way you know you're getting PC hardware that works on a Mac
Cool, and I fixed it! I had to enable AHCI or something like that in the BIOS. Whew.
Also, I'm not sure if I read it here or elsewhere, but I was finally able to update the bios by using the USB ports on the back. For some reason it gives me an error when I use the front ones.
Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: volcs0
Kaido,
I'm still trying to get my four-bay TowerRaid to work with my UD3P (link). I tried the included SATA card (SiL 3132), but of course, that did not work (drivers cause KP). All I want is JBOD (not spanning, but each disc mounted individually). I read somewhere that the UD3P gSATA ports (ICH10R) have port multiplier functionality, which is what I need / want for this box. So, I plugged the eSATA extender cable into the gSATA port. But only the first drive mounts (BIOS set to AHCI) - the other three are not seen - thus I am skeptical about the port multiplier functionality.
So, what I'm hoping is that there is either a BIOS answer to this or a KEXT solution. I'm also hoping that you can think of a clever solution.... otherwise, I'll have to hook this thing to my PC...
Thanks.
EDIT: Of course, I could invest in a $100-$200 SATA controller card. But I obviously would rather see if I can get this working using my current hardware investment.
The SiL 3132 card hasn't been supported since 10.5.5, iirc. I had a pair of Rosewill cards with that chipset and they're both useless, grr. Silicon Image hasn't updated their drivers in forever. If you really want to use it, install 10.5.4 on your rig. I've never heard of the UD3P having port-multiplier functionality built-in.
Really I think you have three options: one, remove all the drives from the tower enclosure and put them inside (you have 8 internal SATA ports on the UD3P), but all you get is RAID 0 or RAID 1 via software. The second option is like you said, get a Mac-supported card like an Areca or Highpoint card and go that route. The third option is to install 10.5.4 and stick with that, since the SiL card is supported (iirc) in 10.5.4 and earlier. Really it all comes down to software - no drivers for your OS version, no luck in getting it to work, that's about it.
Originally posted by: volcs0
OK. Thanks for your insight. I've done extensive reading about this (though perhaps I should have done that pre-purchase). The SiL 3132 drivers only work with 10.5.1 and below (grrr is right). I don't' really want to downgrade. So, I will either buy the Firmtek Seritek/2SE2-E PCI Express (PCIe) Serial ATA Adapter link, which is supposed to work, or I will hook it to my PC, which I know will work.
I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something obvious with my motherboard, and it does not appear that I am.
Thanks again.
Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: mosslack
Originally posted by: Kaido
FYI - Windows 7 creates 2 partitions, the bootloader partition ("System Reserved") and then the Windows partition (whatever you name it, or "Untitled"). When using Chameleon as a bootloader, you need to select the "System Reserved" partition in order to boot up Windows 7. If you select the other partition, it will just give you a boot manager failure notice.
Also, you will see both of these partitions on your desktop. You can access NTFS drives natively (read) in OS X, but you cannot write to them (copy files to the NTFS-formatted drive) without a driver. For that, you need MacFUSE and NTFS-3G (both free). The latest NTFS-3G installer for Mac OS X includes MacFUSE, which you can download here:
http://macntfs-3g.blogspot.com/
Just curious, where did you read this? I don't recall this being the case when I installed the beta version. It was just like Vista IIRC. Unless they made changes, which is very possible.
Didn't read it - installed it Saturday using the RC1 64-bit disc and saw for myself. That was just how it came out. All I did was pop in a HDD, format it, and install Win7 on it. Unless I did that wrong I know, weird right? At the Win7 installer, just to make sure, I deleted the drive (it was factory fresh), clicked New, then Format, and then installed Windows 7 RC1 64-bit edition.
Originally posted by: thepieces
bear in mind MACFUSE cripples the transfer speeds by about half , you need paragon NTFS to run full speed.